GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

[Quester]

I wonder if the minister's move to provide HM with a private cell [?temporarily?; ?with contingent/s?] is to help encourage a decision to place the infant with a family? Maybe it's an encouragement/bribe?

Faced with a possible 15 year sentence, let's hope HM can find some sense to do so if she is unwilling to give the infant the best chance [IMO] at a good life which could include new name, adoption, severing all ties to HM, TS and all related.

Not holding my breath.

 

[gracehatter]

IDK. I was just wondering if there were other possibilities, like they know she is crazy so they are trying to gently prepare her before they take the baby away (could there ever be any reason for this)

This is what I keep wondering...I have no clue to even begin to know where to look. It's got to be under some prison policy.

 

[Kamille]

Does anyone else see the extra possible danger to the baby by locking her alone in a cell all night with her violent and possibly personality disordered mother? With no one else around her to help her out? She seems to get lots of help with the baby during the court appearances. Including by other prisoners locked in the holding cell with her.

Nah...she'll just wake up the entire prison with her yelling demands until someone comes to help her with a sick or fussy baby.

Seriously. No agency in the US can step in and take that baby? How is this possible?

Let's say someone takes a child, a U.S. citizen, from the US to a third world country for an extended visit. While there they are imprisoned in a drug infested dirty prison (or a clean one even for purposes of this hypothetical). The country allows them to take the child to prison with them. Would this be an acceptable practice? For no US government agency to step in on behalf of the child when they are alerted to the situation? So US babies and children can be held in any prison in the world and no one can do anything about it?

I find that hard to believe.

MOO

 

[Weezer Fan]

I wonder if the minister's move to provide HM with a private cell [?temporarily?; ?with contingent/s?] is to help encourage a decision to place the infant with a family? Maybe it's an encouragement/bribe?

Faced with a possible 15 year sentence, let's hope HM can find some sense to do so if she is unwilling to give the infant the best chance [IMO] at a good life which could include new name, adoption, severing all ties to HM, TS and all related.

Not holding my breath.

From the article:

The minister later said he was perturbed that a three-week-old baby should start her life in a prison.

He said he had offered Mack the chance to place the baby with a family to care for the child.

‘I’ve given her the chance to think over the offer,’ Mr Yasona said outside the prison.

‘There are families in Bali who would be happy to take the baby in and care for her.

‘While she is considering this, I have also told her that I will arrange for her to have a room to herself inside the prison where she can care for the baby properly without other prisoners being around.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...plaining-raising-baby-jail.html#ixzz3WvTj4EKW


Of course she is NOT going to let the baby be placed elsewhere. HM would loose all her "special" privileges. My head is spinning that she is allowed to consider where Stella goes!!! If they said this goes on until the trial concludes, I guess I could go along with that. (reluctantly). But I think this is the Heather show.

I cannot imagine how Sheila's family and friends feel as they find this out. We are outraged. They must be devastated.

 

[FigTree]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...plaining-raising-baby-jail.html#ixzz3WvOXk2da

The minister later said he was perturbed that a three-week-old baby should start her life in a prison.

Aren't we all? Are we surprised? No. It has been predicted from day one that this murderer will use the pregnancy and the child as a pawn for better treatment, sympathy, a reduced sentence, better accommodation, time away from prison, special treatment and amenities, publicity, french fries & McDonalds, and mostly for the money which was her MO and the reason that the baby is in prison to start with.

He said he had offered Mack the chance to place the baby with a family to care for the child.
‘I’ve given her the chance to think over the offer,’ Mr Yasona said outside the prison.
‘There are families in Bali who would be happy to take the baby in and care for her.
‘While she is considering this, I have also told her that I will arrange for her to have a room to herself inside the prison where she can care for the baby properly without other prisoners being around.’

It is just my opinion but,
I suspect that HM is not popular in prison at all.
I would also suspect that the women she currently shares the cell with can't wait to see the back of her.
& I suspect that something or someone may be behind the reason HM needs to be removed from the general accommodation of a shared cell.
Threats?
Preferential treatment doesn't make many friends.

 

[gracehatter]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...plaining-raising-baby-jail.html#ixzz3WvOXk2da

It is just my opinion but,
I suspect that HM is not popular in prison at all.

Preferential treatment doesn't make many friends.

This very true and especially when looked at through the eyes of fellow inmates and the moral code that exists among them. Drug running, thievery, victimless crimes and crimes of that type are considered acceptable but I will guess that Matricide is right up there with Infanticide and Child Abuse and not condoned on any level, especially in her case because frankly, who will feel sorry for a 19 year old brat that had wealth and privilege and everything at her disposal and a Mother that was not in the least abusive, no one, that's who.

 

[Kamille]

This very true and especially when looked at through the eyes of fellow inmates and the moral code that exists among them. Drug running, thievery, victimless crimes and crimes of that type are considered acceptable but I will guess that Matricide is right up there with Infanticide and Child Abuse and not condoned on any level, especially in her case because frankly, who will feel sorry for a 19 year old brat that had wealth and privilege and everything at her disposal and a Mother that was not in the least abusive, no one, that's who.

I would think of all people, Noor Ellis would despise her the most. She is also wealthy but sharing a cell with 7 others because it might be possible she's not getting access to her money? Or if she is, the publicity about bribery and corruption might affect if she's able to bribe her way out of a stiff sentence. And no doubt she's not impressed with her children's stance on the matter so HM just represents another thankless child who didn't respect her mother. Plus all the fuss HM gets over the baby, both in prison and at court. Noor already allegedly arranged one murder. Just saying.

MOO

 

[Weezer Fan]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...plaining-raising-baby-jail.html#ixzz3WvOXk2da

Aren't we all? Are we surprised? No. It has been predicted from day one that this murderer will use the pregnancy and the child as a pawn for better treatment, sympathy, a reduced sentence, better accommodation, time away from prison, special treatment and amenities, publicity, french fries & McDonalds, and mostly for the money which was her MO and the reason that the baby is in prison to start with.




It is just my opinion but,
I suspect that HM is not popular in prison at all.
I would also suspect that the women she currently shares the cell with can't wait to see the back of her.
& I suspect that something or someone may be behind the reason HM needs to be removed from the general accommodation of a shared cell.
Threats?
Preferential treatment doesn't make many friends.

My $.02. Of course she isn't popular. But, her lawyers, prosecutor, judge, and now the Justice and Human Rights minister don't care about what other inmates think.

I think it is either Sheila's money bought HM a private cell and/or they want to remove the baby from the general population because if anything happens to Stella, it will be known all over the world. They have a liability. On one hand they are trying to execute 2 members of the Bali 9 by the end of this month for "justice". If they ALSO let a newborn baby who did nothing wrong die or become gravely ill in prison, the bad publicity will be indefensible. Notice Laoly doesn't seem give a crap about the 7 month old Indonesian baby that is also there. No one has their eye on that baby. It is this Minister of Justice and Human Rights, Yasona Laoly, that oversees the executions:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ian-death-site-for-australian-drug-smugglers/
“We are ready to carry out the executions,” Justice and Human Rights Minister Yasona Laoly said in Jakarta on Tuesday.

If they truly cared about the BABIES in prison, they would not allow them to be there. Period. Just add this guy onto a long list of people using Stella to get what they want. :gaah:

 

[Curious Me]

Imagine sharing a cell with this spoiled, bossy, complaining, suitcase stuffing mother beating killer who wants sympathy because she chooses to keep her baby in the prison to play everybody for special treatment. I'm sure fellow inmates must love her. :facepalm:

Somebody tell that government minister he's being played by a cunning pro. No way is Heather going to let her token baby go live someplace else. I think, just my opinion, she's working the pity angle and betting on a lesser sentence.

 

[Cyberburn]

Does anyone else see the extra possible danger to the baby by locking her alone in a cell all night with her violent and possibly personality disordered mother? With no one else around her to help her out? She seems to get lots of help with the baby during the court appearances. Including by other prisoners locked in the holding cell with her.

Nah...she'll just wake up the entire prison with her yelling demands until someone comes to help her with a sick or fussy baby.

Seriously. No agency in the US can step in and take that baby? How is this possible?

Let's say someone takes a child, a U.S. citizen, from the US to a third world country for an extended visit. While there they are imprisoned in a drug infested dirty prison (or a clean one even for purposes of this hypothetical). The country allows them to take the child to prison with them. Would this be an acceptable practice? For no US government agency to step in on behalf of the child when they are alerted to the situation? So US babies and children can be held in any prison in the world and no one can do anything about it?

I find that hard to believe.

MOO

I'm thinking the same thing as you. Baby Stella was much safer with the other women! I can see poor thing getting shaken to death tonight!!! [emoji26]

 

[LinasK]

HM & TS have lied so much throughout this entire ordeal that I dont believe that HM had nothing to do with the physical involvement and murder of Sheila in the Hotel room that night.
The 'HM running into the bathroom' story is incorrect IMHO - and the repeated story, like a mantra (which is one of Soenardi's tactics), is ensuring that there is no other truth than that.
Her recent bizarre and directive bossy behaviour, and the way in which she orders everyone around her is indicative of her manipulative social interactions with others.
I'm betting Sheila would have received many a stare and a mouthful from HM like was seen in the video, and worse, when HM didn't get her way.

@weezerfan - thank you for adding the Illinois Probate Act - "Financial Exploitation, Abuse, or Neglect of an Elderly Person or a Person with a Disability."
It is laws such as this that are available to ensure that there is an avenue to Justice for Sheila, if Bali lets SVWM down.
And, I dare say, there are others legal definitions which would be fitting to approach this situation as well (when HM returns to the US) if the law books are dusted off and looked at.

@Hiandmighty - I agree that HM's behaviour is now showing signature signs of defiance through fear. The 'attitude' is there - the smugness and the denial.
I noticed in the video that HM makes a comment to a question from the media regarding the verdict and says, "Its not the verdict today is it?" - she knows full well its not.


[video=youtube;ZC98sklhI2A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC98sklhI2A&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Love to know how that attitude's working for her now.

 

[SouthAussie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3033511/Body-suitcase-teen-given-star-treatment-cell-Bali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

A government minister has travelled to Kerobokan and personally met with HM. He's offered her a private cell so she won't have to raise her baby in crowded conditions.

What .... no maid service, as well??!

So, what happens if she decides not to give the baby to another family to care for? Does she lose the private cell? And how long does she have to make a decision? That prison is already crowded. Are they cramming more women into the crowded cells to give Her Royal Lowness private accommodation?
(Poor baby, being locked into a cell, all alone, with that violent madwoman.)

Mack will get own room until she decides whether to give baby to a family

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

 

[SouthAussie]

As a professional and a new Memaw, the way the law continues to fall in HM's favor is mind boogling...I don't like it, but I understand it, and again I don't like it. I remained dismayed that Stella will likely to continue to be a pawn for a very long time to come and if only Santa would have brought me the "magic wand" I asked for :notgood: I would have whisked her away with a new identity never to be heard again in connection with this case but that appears it is not to be.

I shared with Weezer it is ironic that I'm only about 45mins. from the Chicago courtroom, when I mentioned it to my daughter as she held baby Fiona she had one word for me: "Mother...." with a stern look...no halls of justice for me today!

Congratulations, Memaw, to you and yours! A beautiful new baby to love and cherish. Welcome, Fiona! :baby:

:happydance:

 

[Curious Me]

What .... no maid service, as well??!

So, what happens if she decides not to give the baby to another family to care for? Does she lose the private cell? And how long does she have to make a decision? That prison is already crowded. Are they cramming more women into the crowded cells to give Her Royal Lowness private accommodation?
(Poor baby, being locked into a cell, all alone, with that violent madwoman.)

Mack will get own room until she decides whether to give baby to a family

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

:lol: Her Royal Lowness . . . you're so nice . . . I call her so many awful names I can't type here.

It doesn't even make sense to make things more pleasant for her and then expect her to let go of her bargaining chip...oops, I mean the baby.

What happens if she does get sentenced to the 15 years? Is the prison willing to give her and baby a private room for two years? Will her demands ever stop? NO!

How many non-murderous mothers have to live in poor conditions and work two jobs and sacrifice for their child? She's a miserable human being who left her own mother dead in a suitcase in a taxi. That is the reality of how much she is capable of loving anyone. The baby is in danger. Convict her and stop her money train.

 

[Curious Me]

When the case first happened I researched the Slayer statute in Ill. and this is the last and most recent expansion to it but unfortunately it will not apply for a number of reasons. It specifically was expanded to address the ongoing concern of Elder Abuse and it's just lacking here. There is no dependency, no exploitation and SWM would not be considered disabled or elderly. Sure there were repeated thefts but SWM handled them the way she choose to and was quite capable of doing so. I have maintained SWM and HM's case will be one of "first impression" in lll.

As a professional and a new Memaw, the way the law continues to fall in HM's favor is mind boogling...I don't like it, but I understand it, and again I don't like it. I remained dismayed that Stella will likely to continue to be a pawn for a very long time to come and if only Santa would have brought me the "magic wand" I asked for :notgood: I would have whisked her away with a new identity never to be heard again in connection with this case but that appears it is not to be.

I shared with Weezer it is ironic that I'm only about 45mins. from the Chicago courtroom, when I mentioned it to my daughter as she held baby Fiona she had one word for me: "Mother...." with a stern look...no halls of justice for me today!

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The happier news here has been about FIONA. Congratulations Memaw and Family.

 

[gracehatter]

Thank you guys! :blushing:

 

[FigTree]

What .... no maid service, as well??!

So, what happens if she decides not to give the baby to another family to care for? Does she lose the private cell? And how long does she have to make a decision? That prison is already crowded. Are they cramming more women into the crowded cells to give Her Royal Lowness private accommodation?
(Poor baby, being locked into a cell, all alone, with that violent madwoman.)

Mack will get own room until she decides whether to give baby to a family

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ali-prison-complaining-raising-baby-jail.html

All good questions SA!

Something tells me that the verdict is already in.
I think she will have to decide if Stella goes to another family before the sentence is handed down publicly.
She may get to keep her own room if she does decide to hand Stella over. Maybe there are deals in progress.
Then again, they could always move HM & Stella to another prison if she decides not to hand Stella over - officials need no reason nor give any warning.
Maybe a Prison where you cannot take your baby and that Stella has to be given over due to the change.

If you ask me, once the verdict is in, HM & TS should be assigned to different prisons anyway.
Maybe she can go and hang out with Rene Lawrence over at Bangli.



http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/h...er-of-her-mother/story-fnh81fz8-1227286822888

Stella is the second baby in the women’s block of Kerobokan prison. A little girl, who is now seven months old, has also been in the jail since birth as her Indonesian mother is serving a 13-month sentence for committing violence to her stepson.

:notgood:

 

[Cyberburn]

Baby Stella will be free!!!!
http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/11/islands-focus-defendant-s-baby-be-removed-prison.html

DENPASAR: American Heather Lois Mack, 19, who is currently on trial for the murder of her mother, has agreed to let her baby be taken care of outside of prison.

Law and Human Rights Minister Yasonna Laoly, who met Mack and the baby in Kerobokan prison in Denpasar, Bali, on Friday, said Mack had agreed to his suggestion.

 

[SouthAussie]

Baby Stella will be free!!!!
http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/11/islands-focus-defendant-s-baby-be-removed-prison.html

DENPASAR: American Heather Lois Mack, 19, who is currently on trial for the murder of her mother, has agreed to let her baby be taken care of outside of prison.

Law and Human Rights Minister Yasonna Laoly, who met Mack and the baby in Kerobokan prison in Denpasar, Bali, on Friday, said Mack had agreed to his suggestion.

Oh, thank goodness!! The sooner, the better!

:skip:

Evidently Tommy must have agreed, as well. (Not that Indonesia cares about that, as the mother has sole responsibility if she is unmarried in Indonesia.)

 

[FigTree]

Baby Stella will be free!!!!
http://m.thejakartapost.com/news/2015/04/11/islands-focus-defendant-s-baby-be-removed-prison.html

DENPASAR: American Heather Lois Mack, 19, who is currently on trial for the murder of her mother, has agreed to let her baby be taken care of outside of prison.

Law and Human Rights Minister Yasonna Laoly, who met Mack and the baby in Kerobokan prison in Denpasar, Bali, on Friday, said Mack had agreed to his suggestion.

Stella is finally getting out of Prison!
Thank goodness.