GUILTY Bali - Sheila von Wiese Mack, 62, found dead in suitcase, 12 Aug 2014 #5

[Kamille]

I am completely mystified.

I expected HM to appeal anything more than the 'assisting' charge that carried a 9-month penalty. I can't believe she's just going to accept her ten year sentence (minus any time off for 'good behavior').

No way with what's going on regarding corruption in their courts right now would AS advise her to appeal at this point. I think the writing was on the wall for HM that she was likely going to get the 15 years that the prosecution asked for, much better than life or a death sentence. She had started to make preparations to get money via Stella so I think she knew she was going to be in there for a while. 10 years is actually less than she probably thought she'd get...hence the celebrating and smiles after the verdict.

I think she completely snowed TS to get him to lie about her participation and told him she was paying a bribe for both of them to get the same sentence. He probably thought they'd get the same and was not impressed at all with the outcome.

But to appeal? With possibly no money to bribe the judges with again? That would be crazy. The next panel might actually read the evidence and say WTF? on the first verdict.

MOO

 

[FigTree]

No way with what's going on regarding corruption in their courts right now would AS advise her to appeal at this point. I think the writing was on the wall for HM that she was likely going to get the 15 years that the prosecution asked for, much better than life or a death sentence. She had started to make preparations to get money via Stella so I think she knew she was going to be in there for a while. 10 years is actually less than she probably thought she'd get...hence the celebrating and smiles after the verdict.

I think she completely snowed TS to get him to lie about her participation and told him she was paying a bribe for both of them to get the same sentence. He probably thought they'd get the same and was not impressed at all with the outcome.

But to appeal? With possibly no money to bribe the judges with again? That would be crazy. The next panel might actually read the evidence and say WTF? on the first verdict.

MOO

My Bold
(1) I could not agree more. I know I probably sound like Im on repeat about it, but those words from TS to the media after the sentencing made a lot of sense regarding his reaction - "Although I do take full responsibility for my actions, I am not a murderer," ...
... especially when he was sitting in the bus with HM on their way back to the jail. He was angry. He was angry at HM too. Caught between a rock and a hard place TS? You should have told the truth about HM.

(2) As for an appeal - HM would be crazy to appeal 10 years - but for Justice, I would say go for it. She'd never get that lenient of a sentence again.
I wonder what she would have got if this had been tried by a real Court in the USA.
There's still time for that.

 

[SouthAussie]

Here is a little cultural info I stumbled on today. Just confirms what we have all noticed, and is so very different to our own cultural beliefs.


Other Indonesians agree. In a recent survey, an astonishing 85 per cent of those in favour of the death penalty believed it was appropriate in the case of drug trafficking – a much smaller percentage supported the death penalty for corruption, murder and terrorism.

http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnis...g-smugglers-had-to-die-20150501-1mwwf6?stb=fb

 

[gracehatter]

My Bold
(1) I could not agree more. I know I probably sound like Im on repeat about it, but those words from TS to the media after the sentencing made a lot of sense regarding his reaction - "Although I do take full responsibility for my actions, I am not a murderer," ...
... especially when he was sitting in the bus with HM on their way back to the jail. He was angry. He was angry at HM too. Caught between a rock and a hard place TS? You should have told the truth about HM.

(2) As for an appeal - HM would be crazy to appeal 10 years - but for Justice, I would say go for it. She'd never get that lenient of a sentence again.
I wonder what she would have got if this had been tried by a real Court in the USA.
There's still time for that.

1) I thought that was a very odd statement indeed.

2) I think all her prior habits and acts and interactions with SWM would have been explored more deeply and she'd have gotten a much more severe sentence if tried in the US.

 

[nightwatch]

2) I think all her prior habits and acts and interactions with SWM would have been explored more deeply and she'd have gotten a much more severe sentence.

They explored all the paperwork on HM deeply each piece of paper had a US president's face on it. (Snark intended) jmo

ciao

 

[FigTree]

Here is a little cultural info I stumbled on today. Just confirms what we have all noticed, and is so very different to our own cultural beliefs.


Other Indonesians agree. In a recent survey, an astonishing 85 per cent of those in favour of the death penalty believed it was appropriate in the case of drug trafficking – a much smaller percentage supported the death penalty for corruption, murder and terrorism.

http://www.afr.com/opinion/columnis...g-smugglers-had-to-die-20150501-1mwwf6?stb=fb

I wonder about this though SA...
The media are influenced by officials and the government. It would not surprise me that these percentages are trumped up to affirm whatever political agenda needs supporting at the time. Such as they did with the death figures related to drugs - the numbers considerably bloated and the data outdated and some of it not relevant to the final numbers.
Even their stats are corrupted.
These DP numbers are 'astonishing' in more ways than one

 

[SouthAussie]

I wonder about this though SA...
The media are influenced by officials and the government. It would not surprise me that these percentages are trumped up to affirm whatever political agenda needs supporting at the time. Such as they did with the death figures related to drugs - the numbers considerably bloated and the data outdated and some of it not relevant to the final numbers.
Even their stats are corrupted.
These DP numbers are 'astonishing' in more ways than one

Oh yes, I agree with you on that. Data is easily manipulated to achieve the goal that you want.

When reading the tweets from Indonesian people following the killings of Andrew and Myuran, they are all over-the-top about the danger of drugs, drugs are the worst of the worst, drug dealers cause all the problems of their country …..

Obviously a very indoctrinated opinion.

Murder … terrorism … corruption .... ah, they are all not so bad. :facepalm:


In March, former president Megawati Sukarnoputri reportedly told Mr Joko not to grant clemency to those on death row, blaming drugs for the spread of HIV in Indonesia.
At a speech on International Women's Day, Ms Megawati said drug use in Indonesia had entered a critical state and was the trigger for the spread of HIV.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/former-...one-bali-nine-executions-20150501-1my9rx.html

 

[Kamille]

Oh yes, I agree with you on that. Data is easily manipulated to achieve the goal that you want.

When reading the tweets from Indonesian people following the killings of Andrew and Myuran, they are all over-the-top about the danger of drugs, drugs are the worst of the worst, drug dealers cause all the problems of their country …..

Obviously a very indoctrinated opinion.

Murder … terrorism … corruption .... ah, they are all not so bad. :facepalm:


In March, former president Megawati Sukarnoputri reportedly told Mr Joko not to grant clemency to those on death row, blaming drugs for the spread of HIV in Indonesia.
At a speech on International Women's Day, Ms Megawati said drug use in Indonesia had entered a critical state and was the trigger for the spread of HIV.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/former-...one-bali-nine-executions-20150501-1my9rx.html

Their only real stance on the "war on drugs" is to try to stop foreigners from making all the drug money available in their country IMO. I have no doubt there are some pretty heavy hitters in the drug trafficking biz who are Indonesian citizens and are being "protected" by LE and higher up officials.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

They explored all the paperwork on HM deeply each piece of paper had a US president's face on it. (Snark intended) jmo

ciao

And that was A LOT of paperwork to go through. :floorlaugh:

 

[Kamille]

If tried in the US, if the reports are true about text messages between them discussing the murder beforehand, both TS and HM would likely have been charged and convicted of first degree premeditated murder and received LWOP. There is no death penalty in Illinois or they both would have been eligible for that as well.

MOO

 

[SouthAussie]

Their only real stance on the "war on drugs" is to try to stop foreigners from making all the drug money available in their country IMO. I have no doubt there are some pretty heavy hitters in the drug trafficking biz who are Indonesian citizens and are being "protected" by LE and higher up officials.

MOO

I think they are appealing to their massive Muslim (voting) population too. They also are considering banning alcohol throughout the whole of Indonesia to appease that population - alcohol is already banned in Aceh province. But they are stepping carefully in Bali …. because, well, otherwise …. there goes the beer-guzzling Aussie tourist dollars.


Lawmaker Fahira Idris, founder of the National Anti-Alcohol Movement and a leading proponent of the measure, likened alcohol to a "machine killing our youth".
More than 90 per cent of the population describe themselves as Muslim, and drinking is against Islamic law.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-...stores-stocking-beer-with-bali-spared/6398682

 

[nightwatch]

I think they are appealing to their massive Muslim (voting) population too. They also are considering banning alcohol throughout the whole of Indonesia to appease that population - alcohol is already banned in Aceh province. But they are stepping carefully in Bali …. because, well, otherwise …. there goes the beer-guzzling Aussie tourist dollars.


Lawmaker Fahira Idris, founder of the National Anti-Alcohol Movement and a leading proponent of the measure, likened alcohol to a "machine killing our youth".
More than 90 per cent of the population describe themselves as Muslim, and drinking is against Islamic law.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-...stores-stocking-beer-with-bali-spared/6398682

Beer sales are a problem but murder and corruptive sentences are OK! Well guess I'll go get a beer and watch the basketball game. Jmo

ciao


Eta: lol great basketball game I only had half a can. . This whole Bali Indonesia thing hard to find humor it's so serious. Death for the wrong crimes. Jmo

 

[Kamille]

I think they are appealing to their massive Muslim (voting) population too. They also are considering banning alcohol throughout the whole of Indonesia to appease that population - alcohol is already banned in Aceh province. But they are stepping carefully in Bali …. because, well, otherwise …. there goes the beer-guzzling Aussie tourist dollars.


Lawmaker Fahira Idris, founder of the National Anti-Alcohol Movement and a leading proponent of the measure, likened alcohol to a "machine killing our youth".
More than 90 per cent of the population describe themselves as Muslim, and drinking is against Islamic law.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-04-...stores-stocking-beer-with-bali-spared/6398682

Oh great. So the next Australian to visit the country when the ban takes effect and forgets about their can of Foster's in their carry on luggage is facing a firing squad unless they can come up with 150 grand.

Well at least it might get the alcohol away from Stella's mother while she's breastfeeding. :banghead:

MOO

 

[IslandLover]

Off topic, but a rather poingnant article about the British drugs mule Lindsay Sandiford who fears she will be included in the next round of executions. One of the pictures shows what the inside of the cells are like in Kerobokan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-look-eye-singing-Magic-Moments-shoot-me.html

 

[IslandLover]

1) I thought that was a very odd statement indeed.

2) I think all her prior habits and acts and interactions with SWM would have been explored more deeply and she'd have gotten a much more severe sentence if tried in the US.

"Although I do take full responsibility for my actions, I am not a murderer,"

1) Maybe not such an odd statement, if TS is sticking to his story in court that he acted in self-defence (which I'm sure was a lie).

 

[gracehatter]

Off topic, but a rather poingnant article about the British drugs mule Lindsay Sandiford who fears she will be included in the next round of executions. One of the pictures shows what the inside of the cells are like in Kerobokan.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-look-eye-singing-Magic-Moments-shoot-me.html

I had forgotten about her until today when she was trending.

 

[FigTree]

"Although I do take full responsibility for my actions, I am not a murderer,"

1) Maybe not such an odd statement, if TS is sticking to his story in court that he acted in self-defence (which I'm sure was a lie).

https://youtu.be/QLpcuNkZASk

I think it was one of those guarded statements which said something about what really happened - he was angry, and there was a double context - the self defence excuse was concocted - I believe that HM was the one who took Sheilas last breath from her - by smothering her with a pillow. I think they are both responsible equally for SvWM's death.

None of the stories they told as to how Sheila was killed by them make any sense in light of the actual evidence.

One of the stories said TS had told police:

He is alleged to have smashed her in the face and as she lay on the bed

The re-enactment did not have anything related to Sheila lying on a bed - the RE footage relayed that she was supposedly standing - then why the bloodied pillow?
I dont believe that SvWM was even awake when TS crept into the room with the fruit bowl under his shirt.
It was HM that let him in, as they had been texting prior and HM was expecting him to come to the room.

http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/b...n-for-50k-on-mum/story-fnh81fz8-1227185039529
Ms Ariani said this made Mack and Schaefer angry and that Mack declared she wanted her mother dead.
“She asked Tommy Schaefer to find people who want to kill her mother, Sheila Ann von Wiese, with the payment of $US50,000,” Ms Ariani said.
he said it was also alleged that the couple stayed in contact via phone and sent a series of text messages between each other.
“In the text message between them, Heather Lois Mack and Tommy Schaefer have agreed to kill Sheila Ann von Wiese by smothering her with a pillow over the face and make an attempt to look like a suicide.”
It is alleged that on the day of Mrs Mack’s death, Mack asked her boyfriend to meet her in room 317 of the resort. He arrived about 8.30am with a heavy glass fruit bowl with a stainless steel handle.
He was let into the room by Mack and it was then that Mrs Mack was allegedly brutally bashed to death with the fruit bowl and her body stuffed into a suitcase. An autopsy showed that she had defensive wounds and had fought hard for her life.

https://youtu.be/rWqoi2gAoEg
https://youtu.be/XTX4yyrRKVQ

Was SvWM left handed? Because her defence wounds were on her left arm. Why was, or what was the reason she didn't use her right arm?

Its this picture of the pillow that makes me think that they carried out their plan as they had texted - and that SvWM was hit and smothered while being held and trying to defend herself from both of them.
JMOO

 

[Weezer Fan]

I've always thought Sheila was asleep when HM let TS into the room. They had been up most of the night. I think you may be right about the pillow, Figtree. Isn't it amazing how the final story did t match the evidence? HM has (so far) gotten away with murder, IMO.


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[Weezer Fan]

BTW-what happened to the Prosecution was going to appeal HM's lenient sentence of 10 years since they asked for 15? I figured they were posturing but they knew full well those 10 years were bought and paid for and I bet all those prosecutors now have fatter bank accounts.

Wondering what is happening state side with a wrongful death suit??

 

[IslandLover]

I've always thought Sheila was asleep when HM let TS into the room. They had been up most of the night. I think you may be right about the pillow, Figtree. Isn't it amazing how the final story did t match the evidence? HM has (so far) gotten away with murder, IMO.


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FigTree's scenario makes a lot of sense when you see the amount of blood that was on the pillow. It's becoming so obvious that the judges were paid to believe HM's and TS's version of events. I just hope Sheila's family pursue a wrongful death suit, and soon.