Bankrupt Casey Anthony interviewed by KPHO CBS in Phoenix #2

[cityslick]

BBM: Not just for you...it is in fact the real intent of bankruptcy...to get a fresh start after something happened that is out of your control. Now, I know that some people file for other reasons, and with that get protection that they ought to be ashamed of, but in the US the main reason for filing for personal bankruptcy is medical debts. An accident or illness of self or a member of your family can wipe you out. Add to that the stress of bill collectors calling you at home and at work and you can lose your mind before long. I do believe people need and should have something in place to help them get back on their feet once life throws them that kind of curve ball.

But when a person incurs debts as a result of their own behavior choices, it is just plain disgusting that they can just file bankruptcy and be allowed to sashay off into the sunset to live their life as if they have done nothing wrong.

I do not think bankruptcy should be a vehicle for canceling out court orders that came about from due process, and bankruptcy court should have no jurisdiction over monetary claims that arose from the debtor's illegal or immoral actions, i.e., they chose to commit a criminal or moral offense when they could just as easily have chosen not to.

I have become convinced that we will never get from our courts what we really need. And that old saying about the US having the best legal system in the world....well, that thought is fodder for nightmares. Truth is, there is no "justice for all" anywhere--not even the US.

BBM

Hate to say it, but that has been the case ever since she was aquitted. Lets face it, none of this stuff really will make up for the verdict. No penalty is ever going to equal the penalty she should of gotten. Sure, these kinds of things may make her life more miserable, but it's like always chasing something that is just not possible anymore for some. What people really need is for her to pay the ultimate penalty for her crimes, whether that's the DP or LWOP. That's not going to happen.

 

[krkrjx]

BBM

Hate to say it, but that has been the case ever since she was aquitted. Lets face it, none of this stuff really will make up for the verdict. No penalty is ever going to equal the penalty she should of gotten. Sure, these kinds of things may make her life more miserable, but it's like always chasing something that is just not possible anymore for some. What people really need is for her to pay the ultimate penalty for her crimes, whether that's the DP or LWOP. That's not going to happen.

Yes, it is true that we as a society will never get what we need as far as justice for Caylee is concerned. But the problem goes beyond just Casey; criminals in courts all around the nation are not being held accountable in too many cases.

Now we see Casey Anthony appearing before another court, and that court is in a position to hold her accountable--OK, not for Caylee's murder because that ship has sailed--but for her lies and deceit, some of which may actually be in black and white on the very documents filed with that court. If anything on those documents does not ring true or cannot be corroborated, corrective action needs to be taken--whether that be an admonition or actual criminal charges remains to be seen. Hopefully it will actually be seen because not only does society need Casey to pay for her actions--Casey needs to pay for her actions. She was enabled all her life which is a big part of how she got the way she is; the court system continuing to enable Casey in any way if there are other options will not benefit anyone--not society and especially not that particular citizen.

JMO.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I wonder how often they catch people out in fraudulent applications and what
penalties they incur...... I just hope it's not a fine, we know what would happen with that!

 

[?noanswer]

I wonder how often they catch people out in fraudulent applications and what
penalties they incur...... I just hope it's not a fine, we know what would happen with that!

For what it's worth:

Section 1523 provides that any person who knowingly and fraudulently presents any false claim in a personal capacity or as or through an agent, proxy, or ATTORNEY shall be fined or imprisoned not more than five years, or both 28 USC Section 152(4).

more at http://www.scribd.com/doc/60558842/False-Proofs-of-Claims-in-Bankruptcy-Sanctions


JMO

 

[rossva]

Does anyone here really believe that what ever happens with the bankruptcy, it will actually have an effect on Casey Anthony? Either way, she isn't going to pay those debts. If they rule for her, the debts are dismissed; they rule against her, and some one finally offers her big bucks, she simply leaves the US.

 

[logicalgirl]

Does anyone here really believe that what ever happens with the bankruptcy, it will actually have an effect on Casey Anthony? Either way, she isn't going to pay those debts. If they rule for her, the debts are dismissed; they rule against her, and some one finally offers her big bucks, she simply leaves the US.

On whose passport?

 

[ZsaZsa]

Does anyone here really believe that what ever happens with the bankruptcy, it will actually have an effect on Casey Anthony? Either way, she isn't going to pay those debts. If they rule for her, the debts are dismissed; they rule against her, and some one finally offers her big bucks, she simply leaves the US.

Do many countries admit felons?

 

[rossva]

She can apply for and get her own. Her felony convictions would not restrict her from getting one.

On whose passport?

 

[?noanswer]

Do many countries admit felons?

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7605484_foreign-felon-go-usa-passport.html


I wonder if CA would be able to survive on her own in another country. Course if she gets monies from a book deal there will always be someone who will befriend her until the monies are gone.

JMO

 

[rossva]

More than do not.

http://www.paep.uscourts.gov/images/Travel Restrictions.pdf

Do many countries admit felons?

 

[logicalgirl]

More than do not.

http://www.paep.uscourts.gov/images/Travel Restrictions.pdf

Thanks for that link - it was an interesting read - except for one thing.....are you expecting FCA to be gypsying around Europe for 90 day stays? Because getting a visa to live in one of those countries will not be easy for someone of her "background". They are not easy for someone with an impeccable background.

If you remember, her felony convictions are for cheque fraud - and unless she brings a large amount of money with her - who is going to let a convicted cheque fraud artist settle in?

Even if she does get accepted for a visa to another country - their terms are not for unlimited stay. And we live in the electronic age. It's like the "AA" saying - you can move to New York to get away from your background, but unfortunately it arrives in the suitcase with you. Wherever she goes, so goes her reputation and the knowledge of what she has done. Forever.

There will never be a "fresh start" for Miss Anthony. IMO:moo:

 

[logicalgirl]

http://www.ehow.com/facts_7605484_foreign-felon-go-usa-passport.html


I wonder if CA would be able to survive on her own in another country. Course if she gets monies from a book deal there will always be someone who will befriend her until the monies are gone.

JMO

On her own? I guess there is a first for everything....:floorlaugh:

 

[rossva]

She has been gypsying around the United States since July 7 2011, without big bucks from a tell all.

Thanks for that link - it was an interesting read - except for one thing.....are you expecting FCA to be gypsying around Europe for 90 day stays? Because getting a visa to live in one of those countries will not be easy for someone of her "background". They are not easy for someone with an impeccable background.

If you remember, her felony convictions are for cheque fraud - and unless she brings a large amount of money with her - who is going to let a convicted cheque fraud artist settle in?

Even if she does get accepted for a visa to another country - their terms are not for unlimited stay. And we live in the electronic age. It's like the "AA" saying - you can move to New York to get away from your background, but unfortunately it arrives in the suitcase with you. Wherever she goes, so goes her reputation and the knowledge of what she has done. Forever.

There will never be a "fresh start" for Miss Anthony. IMO:moo:

 

[logicalgirl]

She has been gypsying around the United States since July 7 2011, without big bucks from a tell all.

LOL - not exactly the same thing because she is a US citizen - right? Try coming into Canada without any money.....oh - and I don't think we let convicted felons in - do we? :what:

If you apply for a visa to any country - they ask two questions - are you planning on working and what are you going to live on - and I don't think "the charity of friends" and "donations my lawyers forward to me" is going to cut it. European visas are very hard to get. So are Canadian and Australian ones. Work visa in the UK, Canada and Australia are almost impossible.....

It'll be a question of "show me the money" even in South America.....actually especially in South America where she may be able to "buy" her way in...(My sister got a work visa in Brazil but it meant an "arranged marriage" to a Brazilian citizen)

 

[?noanswer]

I think CA had been enjoying her life, everyone catering to her and she didn't have to do anything except talk on her cell phone and play on her computer, until someone got the bright idea to file BK. I don't think they anticipated any kind of resistance. After all CA always get whats she wants!!!

JMO

 

[?noanswer]

LOL - not exactly the same thing because she is a US citizen - right? Try coming into Canada without any money.....oh - and I don't think we let convicted felons in - do we? :what:

If you apply for a visa to any country - they ask two questions - are you planning on working and what are you going to live on - and I don't think "the charity of friends" and "donations my lawyers forward to me" is going to cut it. European visas are very hard to get. So are Canadian and Australian ones. Work visa in the UK, Canada and Australia are almost impossible.....

It'll be a question of "show me the money" even in South America.....actually especially in South America where she may be able to "buy" her way in...(My sister got a work visa in Brazil but it meant an "arranged marriage" to a Brazilian citizen)

BBM

Maybe she will renounce her US citizenship! Lots of people from other countries take big chances just to get into the US and live here.

JMO

 

[rossva]

My suggestion that she lived outside the US was prefaced by 1) the bankruptcy court not finding in her favor, and 2) her getting a big bucks deal. She would leave the US in able to keep the money, and would have money, enough that some country, some where, would allow her to remain there.

And, yes, Canada does not allow felons. In fact I think even having a DUI on your record can keep you out of Canada.

LOL - not exactly the same thing because she is a US citizen - right? Try coming into Canada without any money.....oh - and I don't think we let convicted felons in - do we? :what:

If you apply for a visa to any country - they ask two questions - are you planning on working and what are you going to live on - and I don't think "the charity of friends" and "donations my lawyers forward to me" is going to cut it. European visas are very hard to get. So are Canadian and Australian ones. Work visa in the UK, Canada and Australia are almost impossible.....

It'll be a question of "show me the money" even in South America.....actually especially in South America where she may be able to "buy" her way in...(My sister got a work visa in Brazil but it meant an "arranged marriage" to a Brazilian citizen)

 

[logicalgirl]

My suggestion that she lived outside the US was prefaced by 1) the bankruptcy court not finding in her favor, and 2) her getting a big bucks deal. She would leave the US in able to keep the money, and would have money, enough that some country, some where, would allow her to remain there.

And, yes, Canada does not allow felons. In fact I think even having a DUI on your record can keep you out of Canada.

I understand that but even if the two things you mention were true, she would be trying to skip out on her federal debts, which wouldn't put her in good standing - and - it takes quite a while to get a visa for any country and you have to apply from outside of that country. Even if she got a visiting pass to get in to one for 90 days, she would have to keep moving from country to country for 90 days until someone gave her a visa to stay. And I'm not sure countries grant visas to nomads....it's not as easy or as glamorous as it initially sounds. And this is a woman who doesn't do anything for herself...although I guess if she had lots of money - she could "rent" a small entourage....

Plus I don't think other countries would put up with her security nonsense about not releasing her address, etc. She may not find life "abroad" all that peaceful...

 

[logicalgirl]

I think CA had been enjoying her life, everyone catering to her and she didn't have to do anything except talk on her cell phone and play on her computer, until someone got the bright idea to file BK. I don't think they anticipated any kind of resistance. After all CA always get whats she wants!!!

JMO

This woman is a long time schemer and manipulator - I'd be willing to bet the original thought started with her - she may have had to play her "poor little me whatever will I do" role to get one of her "lawyers" to come up with the bright idea she was moving them towards.

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM

Maybe she will renounce her US citizenship! Lots of people from other countries take big chances just to get into the US and live here.

JMO

She's have to find a country that would give her citizenship first and that's not going to be an easy task....

And when she applied for it - guess who'd come knocking at her door looking for their federal tax money owed? :floorlaugh: