Bankrupt Casey Anthony interviewed by KPHO CBS in Phoenix #2

[ZsaZsa]

Just wanted to add OCA's Motion for Determination of Indigent for Costs and the Affidavit for Lawyer Fees

http://media.trb.com/media/acrobat/2010-07/55220170.pdf


Stating what Andrea Lyon and Baez were paid and no other payments were to be made to them or anticipated to be made to them in the future


Also stated in the Motion is that Andrea Lyon, received no fee (I guess that means the money she got was for expenses and not for representation) and that she was and continued to work Pro Bono.

IIRC Judge Perry refused her claim for expenses; am I right? Didn't he say that Pro Bono was Pro Bono..

 

[Intermezzo]

IIRC Judge Perry refused her claim for expenses; am I right? Didn't he say that Pro Bono was Pro Bono..

Yes, I remember Judge Perry denied her request to pay for her costs such as Travel Expenses

OCA was declared Indigent for Costs on March 18, 2010 and Andrea Lyon RESIGNS 3 months later on June 30., 2010 for FISCAL reasons

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...fense-team-andrea-lyon-death-penalty-attorney

In October 2010 Linda Kenney Baden also resigns from the team citing financial reasons, JAC not paying for her expenses, for her departure

http://victimsheartland.forumotion....-and-appear-periodically-throughout-the-trial

Yet, it was only after OCA was declared indigent for costs that the attorneys began complaining about not being paid...I don't think Linda Kenney Baden received any payment, but IF she did receive any payment from the ABC money it was kept private.

 

[hand]

LKB got publicity worth more than a million dollars

 

[?noanswer]

LKB got publicity worth more than a million dollars

Her husband, and sometimes she, was on Fox. The husband was on there a week or longer ago and that was the first time I had seen him on there in a long time. Haven't seen her on Fox or anywhere else.

JMO

 

[skbsoccermom]

Here's what is bothering me ... according to the timelines I've read, it looks like baez has 4 weeks to prove that he is owed the 500 grand, but the judge is supposed to rule in 3 weeks about Zenaida and Kronks claims. Shouldn't the Zenaida and Kronk ruling wait? Because if and when baez can't prove he's owed that money, it brings her debt down to the point that she may not even qualify for Chapter 7. So how can the bankruptcy court then rule on Zenaida and Kronk if she isn't even eligible for bankruptcy? It all seems very backwards to me. Can anyone help clarify this?

 

[?noanswer]

http://www.sulaimanlaw.com/Publications/Chapter-7-Eligibility-pdf.pdf



"There is no debt limit for a Chapter 7. Therefore, whether your debt is $2 or $20 million, you can discharge the debt in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy."

http://www.ehow.com/how_4762124_qualify-chapter-bankruptcy.html



"File any overdue Internal Revenue Service or state tax returns, even if you cannot pay the taxes right away. This is a requirement to declare Chapter 7 bankruptcy."

The link above is the first time I have found anything about income amount for chapter 7.

JMO

 

[ThinkTank]

Her husband, and sometimes she, was on Fox. The husband was on there a week or longer ago and that was the first time I had seen him on there in a long time. Haven't seen her on Fox or anywhere else.

JMO

HLN has been having LKBaden on their "HLN After Dark" show several times lately, on the Jodi Arias case. They also had Baez on.

 

[ThinkTank]

Here's what is bothering me ... according to the timelines I've read, it looks like baez has 4 weeks to prove that he is owed the 500 grand, but the judge is supposed to rule in 3 weeks about Zenaida and Kronks claims. Shouldn't the Zenaida and Kronk ruling wait? Because if and when baez can't prove he's owed that money, it brings her debt down to the point that she may not even qualify for Chapter 7. So how can the bankruptcy court then rule on Zenaida and Kronk if she isn't even eligible for bankruptcy? It all seems very backwards to me. Can anyone help clarify this?

I agree it is totally confusing to the MAX! I wish I knew what was going on!

May 30, 2013 - Zenaida's Objection to Casey's Claim of Exemptions was "Sustained as outlined". That would imply that the bankruptcy judge considers Zenaida a genuine Creditor with standing to file the Objection to Casey's bankruptcy exemptions.

June 6, 2013 - approximately one week after Hearing on May 30th, DEADLINE for Zenaida and Kronk to "file any additional documentation/authorities"

June 20, 2013 - approximately - Bankruptcy Judge will rule on Zenaida & Kronk and how the civil suits will move forward, and where.

June 24, 2013 - DEADLINE to file Proof of Claim for all Creditors
Baez has not filed Proof of Claim.

July 2, 2013 - HEARING on TXEquuSearch claims for their civil case
Seems the bankruptcy judge would have similar rulings for TXEquuSearch that he would have for Zenaida and Kronk?
TXEquuSearch said in their filing, that they would file a Proof of Claim before the June 24th Deadline.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I agree it is totally confusing to the MAX! I wish I knew what was going on!

May 30, 2013 - Zenaida's Objection to Casey's Claim of Exemptions was "Sustained as outlined". That would imply that the bankruptcy judge considers Zenaida a genuine Creditor with standing to file the Objection to Casey's bankruptcy exemptions.

June 6, 2013 - approximately one week after Hearing on May 30th, DEADLINE for Zenaida and Kronk to "file any additional documentation/authorities"

June 20, 2013 - approximately - Bankruptcy Judge will rule on Zenaida & Kronk and how the civil suits will move forward, and where.

June 24, 2013 - DEADLINE to file Proof of Claim for all Creditors
Baez has not filed Proof of Claim.

July 2, 2013 - HEARING on TXEquuSearch claims for their civil case
Seems the bankruptcy judge would have similar rulings for TXEquuSearch that he would have for Zenaida and Kronk?
TXEquuSearch said in their filing, that they would file a Proof of Claim before the June 24th Deadline.

Texas E, Kronk and Zenaida all had to file proof of claim before proceeding- wouldn't you think Casey will need to file proof of her debt to Baez before proceeding?

 

[?noanswer]

HLN has been having LKBaden on their "HLN After Dark" show several times lately, on the Jodi Arias case. They also had Baez on.

That explains why I haven't seen her, don't watch HLN. I googled her and only one case came up plus a mention of P Spector.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-kenney-baden/

"Recently she and her co-counsel won the dismissal of murder charges against Paul Gregory House in a case from Tennessee where defendant House had spent over twenty years on death row for a murder he didn’t commit"

According to this article, that was several years ago, doesn't sound like they had much to do with him being released.

http://www.capitalpunishmentbook.com/?p=190

Neither she or Baez are overloaded with cases to defend!!

JMO

 

[coco puff]

LKB got publicity worth more than a million dollars

She is the one that said. And I quote " someone else killed that little girl" on national tv. I guess integrity just doesn't matter when you can make a buck.

 

[logicalgirl]

She the one that said. And I quote " someone else killed that little girl" on national tv. I guess integrity just doesn't matter when you can make a buck.

and yet another time LBK claimed FCA obviously did kill Caylee....depended when she was asked...

 

[coco puff]

and yet another time LBK claimed FCA obviously did kill Caylee....depended when she was asked...

AND Right before the verdict was announced she said (obviously expecting a guilty verdict). It was very hard to get around the 31 days.

 

[skbsoccermom]

I agree it is totally confusing to the MAX! I wish I knew what was going on!

May 30, 2013 - Zenaida's Objection to Casey's Claim of Exemptions was "Sustained as outlined". That would imply that the bankruptcy judge considers Zenaida a genuine Creditor with standing to file the Objection to Casey's bankruptcy exemptions.

June 6, 2013 - approximately one week after Hearing on May 30th, DEADLINE for Zenaida and Kronk to "file any additional documentation/authorities"

June 20, 2013 - approximately - Bankruptcy Judge will rule on Zenaida & Kronk and how the civil suits will move forward, and where.

June 24, 2013 - DEADLINE to file Proof of Claim for all Creditors
Baez has not filed Proof of Claim.

July 2, 2013 - HEARING on TXEquuSearch claims for their civil case
Seems the bankruptcy judge would have similar rulings for TXEquuSearch that he would have for Zenaida and Kronk?
TXEquuSearch said in their filing, that they would file a Proof of Claim before the June 24th Deadline.

Thanks for the info. My confusion is how can the judge make a ruling on June 20 before baez has to file his proof of claim on June 24? I hope the judge is not assuming that she must owe baez the $500,000 because no ethical lawyer would ever say they are owed that kind of money when they are not.
Needless to say, he's done a lot of things lawyers with ethics would never do.

 

[gramcracker]

here's a better explanation of chapter 7 vs chapter 13

yes, you can file chapter 7 whether your debt is $200,000 or $2,000,000 and there is no pay-back requirement

the cutoff for chapter 13 is owing $307,675 or less. you live on a budget decided by the court and you pay your creditors for 3-5 years and they eat whatever you don't pay in that time period. the BK is discharged after you complete your assigned payments, and there is a forgiveness option for remaining balances if payments were made as ordered

but when your debt is $307,675 or less the court can, after examining your circumstances, deny your chapter 7 petition, place you in the chapter 13 category instead, and put you on a court-determined budget and order you to pay your creditors. you then have the option to not file at all if you disagree w/ the court's opinion of your circumstances. no one forces you to file but your options in filing can be limited by what the court decides

that's why JB's $500,000 matters, because his amount keeps her out of consideration for chapter 13 vs chapter 7

if the IRS and court debts are not eligible for discharge, her total debt is even lower than she claims and an even better case could be made for requiring chapter 13 instead of chapter 7

she alleges $793,341 - $500,000 = $293,341

then, $293,342 - $68,000 (IRS) = $225,341

in addition to hiding assets/income, she wants her debt to appear greater than $307,675 so that the court can't consider her for a pay-back BK

 

[ThinkTank]

here's a better explanation of chapter 7 vs chapter 13

yes, you can file chapter 7 whether your debt is $200,000 or $2,000,000 and there is no pay-back requirement

the cutoff for chapter 13 is owing $307,675 or less. you live on a budget decided by the court and you pay your creditors for 3-5 years and they eat whatever you don't pay in that time period. the BK is discharged after you complete your assigned payments, and there is a forgiveness option for remaining balances if payments were made as ordered

but when your debt is $307,675 or less the court can, after examining your circumstances, deny your chapter 7 petition, place you in the chapter 13 category instead, and put you on a court-determined budget and order you to pay your creditors. you then have the option to not file at all if you disagree w/ the court's opinion of your circumstances. no one forces you to file but your options in filing can be limited by what the court decides

that's why JB's $500,000 matters, because his amount keeps her out of consideration for chapter 13 vs chapter 7

if the IRS and court debts are not eligible for discharge, her total debt is even lower than she claims and an even better case could be made for requiring chapter 13 instead of chapter 7

she alleges $793,341 - $500,000 = $293,341

then, $293,342 - $68,000 (IRS) = $225,341

in addition to hiding assets/income, she wants her debt to appear greater than $307,675 so that the court can't consider her for a pay-back BK

Thank you for this. It is very helpful.

There are only (3) Proof of Claim filed, as of today.
Deadline is June 24, 2013

1 - Sheriff's Office - $ 145,660.21
2 - IRS - -$ 80,855.11
3 - Ambulance $ 921.15

TOTAL - $ 227,436.47

 

[ThinkTank]

Creditors listed on bankruptcy filing with dollar amounts

- Adventist Florida Hospital - $ 200 [from Nov 2007 to present]
- Alliance One Collection Agency for STATE of Florida debt of $ 4,153.91
- Ambulance added 4/4/2013 $ 921.15 filed claim
- AT&T Mobility - Collection Agency - $ 1,403.32
- Baez - $ 500,000 [though she said she really does not owe this]
- Florida Dept Law Enforcement - $ 61,505.12
- Internal Revenue Service - $ 68,540 - $ 80,855.11 filed claim
- Metropolitan Bureau of Inv - $ 10,283.90
- Orange County Florida Clerk of Court - $ 495.00
- Orange County Sheriff's Office - $ 145,660.21 filed claim
- State of Florida - $ 50.00
- Tribute MasterCard - $ 1,250

TOTAL MINUS BAEZ = $306,777.72

Civil suits fighting for a right not to have their claims discharged in bankruptcy:
- Roy Kronk - civil suit
- Tim Miller/Texas EquuSearch - civil suit
- Zenaida Gonzalez - civil suit

 

[?noanswer]

Creditors listed on bankruptcy filing with dollar amounts

- Adventist Florida Hospital - $ 200 [from Nov 2007 to present]
- Alliance One Collection Agency for STATE of Florida debt of $ 4,153.91
- Ambulance added 4/4/2013 $ 921.15 filed claim
- AT&T Mobility - Collection Agency - $ 1,403.32
- Baez - $ 500,000 [though she said she really does not owe this]
- Florida Dept Law Enforcement - $ 61,505.12
- Internal Revenue Service - $ 68,540 - $ 80,855.11 filed claim
- Metropolitan Bureau of Inv - $ 10,283.90
- Orange County Florida Clerk of Court - $ 495.00
- Orange County Sheriff's Office - $ 145,660.21 filed claim
- State of Florida - $ 50.00
- Tribute MasterCard - $ 1,250

TOTAL MINUS BAEZ = $306,777.72

Civil suits fighting for a right not to have their claims discharged in bankruptcy:
- Roy Kronk - civil suit
- Tim Miller/Texas EquuSearch - civil suit
- Zenaida Gonzalez - civil suit

If enough of the creditors do not file a claim and the amount of claims filed are less than the amount above, and her filing is changed to chp. 13, will the creditors that did not file be able to "try" and collect from her?

JMO

 

[ZsaZsa]

here's a better explanation of chapter 7 vs chapter 13

yes, you can file chapter 7 whether your debt is $200,000 or $2,000,000 and there is no pay-back requirement

the cutoff for chapter 13 is owing $307,675 or less. you live on a budget decided by the court and you pay your creditors for 3-5 years and they eat whatever you don't pay in that time period. the BK is discharged after you complete your assigned payments, and there is a forgiveness option for remaining balances if payments were made as ordered

but when your debt is $307,675 or less the court can, after examining your circumstances, deny your chapter 7 petition, place you in the chapter 13 category instead, and put you on a court-determined budget and order you to pay your creditors. you then have the option to not file at all if you disagree w/ the court's opinion of your circumstances. no one forces you to file but your options in filing can be limited by what the court decides

that's why JB's $500,000 matters, because his amount keeps her out of consideration for chapter 13 vs chapter 7

if the IRS and court debts are not eligible for discharge, her total debt is even lower than she claims and an even better case could be made for requiring chapter 13 instead of chapter 7

she alleges $793,341 - $500,000 = $293,341

then, $293,342 - $68,000 (IRS) = $225,341

in addition to hiding assets/income, she wants her debt to appear greater than $307,675 so that the court can't consider her for a pay-back BK

I just don't understand how a BK court will let you write off court imposed debts for all the time-wasting and lying she did pre and during the murder trial.
I mean, what is the point of imposing these fines/costs if everyone can avoid them by filing bankruptcy!

 

[logicalgirl]

If enough of the creditors do not file a claim and the amount of claims filed are less than the amount above, and her filing is changed to chp. 13, will the creditors that did not file be able to "try" and collect from her?

JMO

Some of the smaller debts would take more money to collect the debt so they are just written off as bad debts. A business can write them off of their profits as a "minus" for tax purposes. Cheaper and one cancels the other.