barbara mackle ransom note discredits some RDI RN pet theories

[Ames]

Silly you. Quantico doesn't have any analysis where the RN was ruled to be a lie. How could they?

"FBI Knocks Down Intruder Theory"



"As part of the Boulder police's investigation, they accepted an invitation from the FBI to put on a full presentation of the case to the FBI's Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit based at Quantico, Va. As Thomas recounts in his book, over 20 CASKU team members, including hair and fiber experts, attended the August 1997 briefing. Police investigators reviewed the autopsy results, and crime scene photos. In turn, CASKU agents reported that of the more than 1,700 murdered children they had studied since the 1960s, there was only one case in which the victim was a female under the age of 12, who had been murdered in her home by strangulation, with sexual assault and a ransom note present: JonBenét Ramsey. The agents told the Boulder investigators that while it might be possible that someone broke into the house that day, it was not very probable. The staging of the crime, the evidence presented to them by the Boulder police, and the totality of the case pointed in one direction: This was not the act of an intruder.
Thomas wrote that the FBI team said the crime "did not fit an act of sex or revenge or one in which money was the motivation. Taken alone, they said, each piece of evidence might be argued, but together, enough pebbles become a block of evidentiary granite."
Thomas reported that "CASKU observed that they had never seen anything like the Ramsey ransom note. Kidnapping demands are usually terse, such as 'We have your kid. A million dollars. Will call you.' From a kidnapper's point of view, the fewer words, the less police have to go on."
The FBI, according to Thomas, "believed that the note was written in the house, after the murder, and indicated panic. Ransom notes are normally written prior to the crime, usually proofread, and not written by hand, in order to disguise the authorship."
Thomas said the FBI deemed the entire crime "criminally unsophisticated," citing the child being left on the premises, the oddness of the $118,000 demand in relation to the multi-million dollar net worth of the Ramsey, and the concept of a ransom delivery where one would be "scanned for electronic devices." Kidnappers prefer isolated drops for the ransom delivery, not wanting to chance a face-to-face meeting.
CASKU profilers also observed that placing JonBenét's body in the basement indicated the involvement of a parent, rather than an intruder. A parent would not want to place the body outside in the frigid night. They also stated, according to Thomas, that the ligatures "indicated staging rather than control, and the garrote was used from behind so the killer could avoid eye contact, typical of someone who cares for the victim." Thomas said the profilers had the gut feeling that "no one intended to kill the child." This would mean that the severe blow to the head was done in a thoughtless rage and that all the subsequent assault on JonBenét and the writing of the ransom note was staged to cover up the unintentional murder.
Whoever killed JonBenét didn’t fear getting caught. Thomas said that FBI profilers conjectured that the crime "was committed by someone who had a high degree of comfort inside the home. The murderer spent a good deal of time with the victim, bashing in her head, dragging her down two stories to the basement, wiping down her vaginal area, taping her mouth, tying up her wrists, garroting her, carefully, even lovingly, placing a white blanket over her, calmly writing what the Boulder police called the War And Peace of ransom notes, and then placing that ransom note just where Patsy Ramsey would be most likely to find it when she came down the backstairs in the morning."

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You're wasting your time. Everything OK? Thatsa lotta red ink for something ST editorialized a decade ago. The terms 'obsolete', 'archaic', and 'sued for millions and lost' come to mind (LOL).

Was there a CASKU quote that states 'RN is ruled to be a lie' that I missed in your post? If so, what method did they use to determine any part of the RN was a lie? Magic?

 

[Ames]

You're wasting your time. Everything OK? Thatsa lotta red ink for something ST editorialized a decade ago. The terms 'obsolete', 'archaic', and 'sued for millions and lost' come to mind (LOL).

Was there a CASKU quote that states 'RN is ruled to be a lie' that I missed in your post? If so, what method did they use to determine the RN as a lie? Magic?

Yeah, well...if it was a lie, then why didn't the FBI sue him? (LOL)

They mention STAGING....think about it holdon...STAGING in and of itself IS A LIE! You wouldn't believe that the Ramsey's were guilty, even if you heard them confess it themselves. (LOL)

"and the writing of the ransom note was staged to cover up the unintentional murder" = RN WAS A BIG FAT LIE

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Thomas said the profilers had the gut feeling that "no one intended to kill the child." This would mean that the severe blow to the head was done in a thoughtless rage and that all the subsequent assault on JonBenét and the writing of the ransom note was staged to cover up the unintentional murder.


Reread your post, and you'll find that this is based on only profiler's 'gut feeling' from more than 12 years ago, that ST embellished on.

So, the methodology used by CASKU to determine the RN to be a lie is call 'feeling the gut'? One step up from magic, I guess.

 

[Sophie]

What did Lou Smit think of the RN, BTW? Did he think the paedophile intruder wrote it? Or did he, at some stage, seriously consider the SFF aspect to be genuine? This is probably just a trick of memory, but the RN seems to have been something which he largely ignored. Was it another one of his big bugaboos?

 

[Sophie]

Thomas said the profilers had the gut feeling that "no one intended to kill the child." This would mean that the severe blow to the head was done in a thoughtless rage and that all the subsequent assault on JonBenét and the writing of the ransom note was staged to cover up the unintentional murder.


Reread your post, and you'll find that this is based on only profiler's 'gut feeling' from more than 12 years ago, that ST embellished on.

So, the methodology used by CASKU to determine the RN to be a lie is call 'feeling the gut'? One step up from magic, I guess.

It wasn't just CASKU, though, was it? The likes of Wecht and Lee thought much the same (albeit with a bit more specificity in Wecht's case about the nature of the crime being concealed).

 

[Sophie]

You're wasting your time. Everything OK? Thatsa lotta red ink for something ST editorialized a decade ago. The terms 'obsolete', 'archaic', and 'sued for millions and lost' come to mind (LOL).

Was there a CASKU quote that states 'RN is ruled to be a lie' that I missed in your post? If so, what method did they use to determine any part of the RN was a lie? Magic?

In all fairness, I don't think you'd need much in the way of magical power to conclude that the RN writer wasn't being wholly candid when he/she wrote that they had a safe, unharmed child in their possession....

Unless of course, you think that the RN writer wrote the note while JBR was still alive (quietly eating her pineapple, perhaps?). In those circumstances, they could have been telling the truth....

 

[Ames]

Thomas said the profilers had the gut feeling that "no one intended to kill the child." This would mean that the severe blow to the head was done in a thoughtless rage and that all the subsequent assault on JonBenét and the writing of the ransom note was staged to cover up the unintentional murder.

Reread your post, and you'll find that this is based on only profiler's 'gut feeling' from more than 12 years ago, that ST embellished on.

So, the methodology used by CASKU to determine the RN to be a lie is call 'feeling the gut'? One step up from magic, I guess.

BOLDED BY AMES...

UM, the gut feeling, was about it being unintentional...he wasn't talking about the RN here. Maybe YOU should re-read my post.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

In all fairness, I don't think you'd need much in the way of magical power to conclude that the RN writer wasn't being wholly candid when he/she wrote that they had a safe, unharmed child in their possession....

Unless of course, you think that the RN writer wrote the note while JBR was still alive (quietly eating her pineapple, perhaps?). In those circumstances, they could have been telling the truth....

This could very well be the case. Consider L&L ransom note was written so far in advance they didn't even know who the victim was going to be. There's nobody mentioned by name in the note.

 

[BBB167893]

Silly you. Quantico doesn't have any analysis where the RN was ruled to be a lie. How could they?

Oh, haven't they?

 

[BBB167893]

Well plz show me the evidence you keep telling RDI'S about other than what I have read so far from the internet ..Now I haven't read no books and plz don't tell me to read the Ramsey's book..

Good luck getting it, Ravyn. You'll need it.

 

[BBB167893]

You're wasting your time. Everything OK?

I never would have noticed.

Thatsa lotta red ink for something ST editorialized a decade ago. The terms 'obsolete', 'archaic', and 'sued for millions and lost' come to mind (LOL).

Care to guess what words are coming to MY mind? None I can write here!

 

[BBB167893]

So, the methodology used by CASKU to determine the RN to be a lie is call 'feeling the gut'? One step up from magic, I guess.

If you'd actually read it, you'd know that there was a lot more analysis than THAT.

 

[LinasK]

Hope you don't mind if I show how this is wrong, because we don't know anything about what the plan was at the time the intruder wrote the note. If maybe you were to break away from the RDI pack, and actually consider the physical evidence for a change. The male intruder DNA, blanket, wrist ligature, and mouth tape belie your many RDI 'stories', propaganda repeatedly stated as fact. Instead the physical evidence support an actual kidnapping in progress.

No it doesn't belie an RDI, it supports the theory that JB was sexually abused by a Ramsey. I think it was most likely John- since his shirt fibers from the black shirt made in Israel that he was wearing were found in JB's panties!

 

[madeleine]

Hope you don't mind if I show how this is wrong, because we don't know anything about what the plan was at the time the intruder wrote the note. If maybe you were to break away from the RDI pack, and actually consider the physical evidence for a change. The male intruder DNA, blanket, wrist ligature, and mouth tape belie your many RDI 'stories', propaganda repeatedly stated as fact. Instead the physical evidence support an actual kidnapping in progress.

The male dna doesn't support a kidnapping in progress IMO.
And what about the sexual assault,why there if the goal was to take her away anyway.

 

[madeleine]

Something else re the kidnapping theory,why didn't they just take her out of the house immediately?Why take her to the basement(which would have been hard to find by someone who didn't know the house anyway)?

If they were after the money why the risk?Why bother with feeding her pineapple if they already silenced her with the "stun gun"?Makes NO sense if you ask me.

 

[madeleine]

Let's assume it was a kidnapping gone wrong.One was busy writing the note and the other thought okay why not have some fun while we're waiting.He tried to assault her but maybe he couldn't and got mad,maybe bashed her head.Why spend more time with redressing her ,covering her with the blanket,etc?Why?


If they really wanted to kidnap her for the money they would have written the note before(somewhere else) IMO.

 

[madeleine]

Where and how the offender chose to leave JonBenét's body is significant. He could remove it from the house, thereby increasing the chance that his demand for money would be met. But the offender chose to leave the body in the house, and not just anywhere in the house. He chose to conceal it in an obscure room in the basement that the Ramseys referred to as a wine cellar, a windowless brick room inside the boiler room. The police were unable to find this room when they searched the house during the day. The chances of a stranger, unfamiliar with the house, being able to find this room inside another in the dead of night are remote. But even as he supposedly selected such a room, he then laid the body on the floor instead of further concealing it in a corner or behind something, so it appears that he was ambivalent about wanting it found. This might suggest a staged kidnapping, placing the body where it would not be found quickly but would nevertheless be found before it had decomposed too much.




It is important to note not only where the offender left the body but also how he left it. The offender wrapped JonBenét's body in a white blanket "papoose style" or, as John Ramsey stated, "...as if somebody were tucking her in..." and her favorite pink nightgown was laid next to the body. Further, Linda Haufman-Pugh, the Ramseys' housekeeper, believed the white blanket and possibly the pink nightgown had been in a washer or dryer that was built into a cabinet. It is difficult to imagine that a stranger would know which nightgown was JonBenét's favorite and then spend time rummaging through the house in the dead of night looking for it so they could leave it next to the body. The careful wrapping of the body also suggests caring and concern for the victim. Collectively, these behaviors exhibited by the offender suggest a pre-existing relationship with the victim.


The duct tape found over JonBenét's mouth could be interpreted as an attempt to silence her during an abduction. If that were true then, in all probability, the offender would have forced her from the house immediately; however, we know that this did not happen. The binding tied around her right wrist was so loose it easily slipped off. (didn't John say it was very tight??)The duct tape, like the cord, are best considered additional elements of staging, designed to mislead investigators into thinking that there was an attempted abduction.


The offender spent a significant amount of time inside the Ramsey house writing the note, committing the murder with items from the house, engaging in post mortem activity with the body, placing it in a hidden room, wrapping it in a white blanket from the house, and placing a pink nightgown next to the body. Not only did the police not discover JonBenét's body during their search, they never even located the room within the room in which the body was placed.

The autopsy further revealed no sexual assault, yet there was minor vaginal trauma. This would suggest a sexual motive for the crime, just as the demand note suggested a financial motive. Sexual assault seemed an unlikely motive as (1) she was not sexually assaulted, and (2) strangers who do so typically abduct the child to a place where it is safe for the offender to assault the child. It is so uncommon to attempt to sexually assault a child in her residence, with her parents and brother nearby, as to be improbable.




Whether some marks found on JonBenét's body are consistent with the use of a stun gun is another equivocal issue upon which experts disagree. Certainly it would be unusual for a parent to use a stun gun and might suggest a stranger. Yet a stranger who was so unsure of his ability to control a six-year-old girl that he had to bring a stun gun is unlikely to be engaged in constructing elaborate devices such as the garrote used in this case.



http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/jonbenet_profiled/1_index.html






:clap::clap::clap:




Gregg O. McCrary

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/about/authors/mccrary/index.html

 

[madeleine]

Did the actions of John Ramsey on the morning of Dec. 26, 1996 indicate that he believed JonBenet had been kidnapped? There were many actions that conflicted with the claimed belief. A very telling one was John going to the phone and calling in other persons.

What was his mind on then? How was this going to help find the alleged kidnapper and JonBenet? Were any of those called in knowledgeable about kidnapping and called in to assist? If they were not there to assist, why were they there? Could they be anything but a distraction and a hindrance to the investigation?

Yet, John called them in. Why? What truth in John's mind motivated this call? He valued them being there. For what purpose if not to assist in the investigation? They provided consolation and indication that he was believed. Assurance. They provided a buffer between John and the police just by their presence. They provided an emotional escape in a situation that had John on the verge of breakdown.

Although co-perpetrator, Patsy, was on the premises, John was pretty much alone in hostile territory. The hostile territory was in his mind as he knew there would be hostile action if the truth came out. The pressure was getting to him. He was about to lose it. He needed help in the form of friends who would believe, not question. This is what the phone call was about.



D.England

http://www.acandyrose.com/06102001delmaranalysis4.htm


I totally agree.:clap:
And the fact that Patsy didn't move from the couch when John found her..........says it all.

There was no kidnapping.

 

[Ravyn]

RN says two gentlemen watching over her now we can be safe to say this is a lie cause even one IDI says this is the work of one person.. What as led alot of people to the belief of the Ramsey's guilt is their actions and words and yes, evidence.. But to say the RN is a lie well yes, cause whoever wrote it knew JBR was dead.. But everything the LE found at the crime scene was from the home.. The intruder wouldn't bring all the stuff with him or her..