Bible Back In Schools

[Jean]

I do believe in god.... I just don't believe in churches and what alot do. I don't believe that I am loved any less because I don't go. I can worship god just as good at home as anywhere. I can worship within if I choose so. I live a very moral and good life and if my decision to not go to church affects being able to go to heaven and people who commit murder can repent and get in then maybe I don't want to be there.

I like how you expressed your feelings. I agree with you too!

 

[nanandjim]

My children went to private Christian schools. It was the best choice I ever made. It was a hard choice too. I took a lot of flack because the district didn't look kindly of public school teachers sending their children to private schools. I think it was the right choice for our family.

My sister's kids went to private Christian schools for many years before they switched to public schools. I have seen what these schools can do for children. Their paternal grandmother paid for the private schools, and it was the best money ever spent.

My sister and her husband are totally irresponsible and set a very poor example for the kids. Yet, both children are smart, love to learn and get good grades. I attribute it to their early years at their private schools.

ETA: The Christian schools have an added benefit. It has really taught my neice and nephew good morals.

 

[nanandjim]

...I do believe in god.... I just don't believe in churches and what alot do. I don't believe that I am loved any less because I don't go. I can worship god just as good at home as anywhere...

I will never forget what our preacher said about church years ago when I was a child. He explained why people should go to church. He said that a church is totally dedicated to worship and that people are far more inclined to give their total attention to God when there. He went on to say that if a person spent his/her Sunday on the golf course, s/he could think about God; but it was far more likely that s/he would be distracted and not really give full attention to our Lord.

So, your thinking is correct. You can worship at home, but it is more likely that you will concentrate far better and learn more when you are at a place of worship. :blowkiss:

BTW, I haven't been to church in years. I use the excuse that we have moved around so much. However, it bothers me; and we really need to find a good church!

 

[Linda7NJ]

That's cool. Why a Christian school instead of just a private non-religious school?

Because in a non-religious school the focus is on making money, my son's school focuses on the well being & education of children.

 

[dakini]

[font=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, Sans-Serif]Doctors Say Legalizing Same-Sex Marriage Will Give False Impression Gay Sex is Safe[/font]
[font=Arial, Verdana, Helvetica, Sans-Serif]Normalization Will Lead to Major Added Burden on Health Care[/font]

OTTAWA, February 18, 2005 (LifeSiteNews.com) – The looming legalization of same-sex marriage has pushed several doctors to begin speaking out on the harmful medical consequences of homosexual sex. In addition to the group of physicians who presented their findings to Parliament in a referenced brief last week (see LifeSiteNews.com coverage http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05021709.html ), two other doctors have approached LifeSiteNews.com to submit evidence but requested anonymity based on fear of retribution from homosexual activists.​

The doctors noted that they are concerned for individuals practicing dangerous homosexual sex practices but also for society in that the normalization of such sex practices through same sex ‘marriage’ legislation will result in a major added burden on health care.

“Legalization of same sex marriage by the government would give the false message that homosexual sex practices, such as anal intercourse, as long as ‘practiced safely’, are not endangering the health of the partners,” said Dr. C.

Providing rather explicit details which she felt the public must be aware of, she explained, “Anal intercourse causes abrasions of the relatively fragile rectal wall, especially in the receptive partner. The penetration of E.coli, always present in the stool, and other bacteria, viruses and parasites penetrate through such lesions into the deeper body tissues. This leads to the suppression of the immune system of such individuals even if there is no exposure to HIV. The immune suppression increases the risk to develop certain cancers, opportunistic infections, to which otherwise one would be resistant, and other health problems including the risk of premature death.”

Information on the health risks of gay sex is available from the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association (GLMA). A survey by members of the GLMA released in August 2002 listed the main health problems affecting homosexual men. According to Christopher E. Harris, MD, GLMA President and Vincent M.B. Silenzio, MD, MPH, there are increased health risks for homosexual men.

The most common health problems in homosexual men are:

1. Increased incidence of infectious diseases
- HIV/AIDS*
- syphilis
- gonorrhea
- chlamydia
- pubic lice
- hepatitis A
- hepatitis B
- hepatitis C
- anal papilloma

2. Increased incidence of cancer especially
- colon/rectal
- prostate
- testicular

3. Increased incidence of eating disorders
- bulimia
- anorexia nervosa
- obesity

4. Increased incidences of other psychological problems
- anxiety
- depression
- suicide

5. Increased incidence of addiction problems especially
- tobacco
- alcohol
- street drugs
- amyl nitrates (poppers)

See also
Physician Says Science of Medical Consequences of Homosexual Behaviour is Being Trumped by Political Agenda
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/sep/03092008.html

The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1

I like to listen. I would say around fifty homosexuals and twenty strippers/prostitutes. People tell me things that shock my husband. I guess I am easy to open up to and I care.​

What this posts represents a Buddhist would say is "attachment" and "aversion".

The articles are from your religious traditions publications. So they tend to be slanted in the direction of exagerating what is negative (aversion) about the group you seek to oppress or stigmatize, legitimize or give great weight to the authority of your own traditions publications (attachment) and to ignore positive information which would present a more postive light on the fact that the majority of gay people which include women with women relationships, are healthy, happy and practicing safe sex.

Lesbians have the least fear of sexually transmitted diseases BTW.

Nonetheless, we all have attachment and aversion in varying degrees. In other words, we do not see each other clearly because we are all seeing through the eyes of our own slants on the issues.

This thread is supposed to be about teaching the Bible in the Schools as history, about exposing children to its role in civilization and not about using it to prejudice people against anyone group some particular Christian denomination seeks to make an outcast this week.

I get it that you do not want your children exposed to the idea that gay people are happy with themselves, do have sex with their mates.

There is plently of other information out there on the net if anyone is interested that counters these claims. I am not going to bother to research them because I doubt that if anyone has this pre-concieved view they are interested in information that challenges that.

Your post is deeply saddening to me on a personal level.

 

[IrishMist]

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/feb/05021709.html -
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/sep/03092008.html
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1

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I like to listen. I would say around fifty homosexuals and twenty strippers/prostitutes. People tell me things that shock my husband. I guess I am easy to open up to and I care.​

Ella, I'm sorry. My bad. I should have requested information from a non-biased organization.... and these articles all seem to be anti-homosexual, where your original contention was that it is anal sex that is unhealthy?

And, Wow! Fifty homosexuals, and Twenty strippers/prostitutes?? That is alot. I'm very liberal, and still only know about a dozen homosexuals- not counting relatives, and only two strippers! I wonder why folks choose you to confide in? Are you a counselor of some sort??

 

[deanws]

Ella,
It is really nice that you try to help people. Some people just need a person to listen to them. You are very kind to give of your time. :blowkiss:

 

[nanandjim]

<I agree with you, I don't think church is for everyone ... but some families who don't go never expose their children to it and how are their children supposed to know at a young age if they ever wanted to go or not?>

huh? what does that mean?? that's something they can certainly decide for themselves when they are old enough-- no one's stopping them!!

I agree. My family did not attend church. I can remember, as a child, walking to church by myself every Sunday morning. I also attended the church's bible school in the summer.

I always wished that my family attended church like the other families did. I always wanted to attend the church held functions, but I felt like an outsider because I didn't have a parent or anyone to go with me.

 

[mindi77]

I will never forget what our preacher said about church years ago when I was a child. He explained why people should go to church. He said that a church is totally dedicated to worship and that people are far more inclined to give their total attention to God when there. He went on to say that if a person spent his/her Sunday on the golf course, s/he could think about God; but it was far more likely that s/he would be distracted and not really give full attention to our Lord.

So, your thinking is correct. You can worship at home, but it is more likely that you will concentrate far better and learn more when you are at a place of worship. :blowkiss:

BTW, I haven't been to church in years. I use the excuse that we have moved around so much. However, it bothers me; and we really need to find a good church!

I honestly don't concentrate better when I am there, usually I am thinking about how soon I can get out of there and staring at my watch, or I have a hard time staying awake. I don't like being there and I don't want to. I think for the people who enjoy that atmosphere it is great but I don't want to sit at a place with tons of hypocrites....and I know that not all are but there sure are alot that are.

I hope that you guys find a wonderful church that you all enjoy

 

[deanws]

I honestly don't concentrate better when I am there, usually I am thinking about how soon I can get out of there and staring at my watch, or I have a hard time staying awake. I don't like being there and I don't want to. I think for the people who enjoy that atmosphere it is great but I don't want to sit at a place with tons of hypocrites....and I know that not all are but there sure are alot that are.

I hope that you guys find a wonderful church that you all enjoy

There are hypocrites everywhere.........not just in church.:waitasec:

 

[concernedperson]

There are hypocrites everywhere.........not just in church.:waitasec:

You are so correct. I have seen them in the most unlikely places and the most unlikely reasons. Newtv wrote about surrendering on another thread and I have to go with that in certain instances. You can't surround yourself with negativety for too long or you will absorb it.

 

[mindi77]

There are hypocrites everywhere.........not just in church.:waitasec:

I agree, some you can avoid and some you can't.

 

[Mr. E]

Hey, I just found this thread and find it to be very interesting. Why is homosexuality such a hot topic with people? If you aren't one, why should you care if others are?

Anyway, I haven't read all the replies because it's very daunting, but I wanted to address something while I have the time (I'm really busy doing my laundry and other housework -- exciting Saturday night, eh?). Someone said something about a "healthy homosexual lifestyle" being taught in school. I teach in a public school, and we are so busy trying to prepare these kids for this test and that test and life in general that homosexuality, healthy or otherwise, never seemed to make it into the curriculum. We've got math, English, social studies, computers, the arts, science -- all kinds of subjects. I guess the closest thing to a health class (outside of science) is PE, but they concentrate more on basketball and volleyball. I do know that in one science class they do this experiment with clear liquids. The students go around the room, pouring a little of their liquid into others' containers, having some clear liquid poured in theirs. The point of the experiment is that one person has a special clear liquid while everybody else has water. The one person represents AIDS. No one knows who that person is. By the end of the experiement about 1/3 of the class has colored liquid, i.e. AIDS. There is no reason to bring the unhealthy vs. healthy homosexual lifestyle into the discussion. Just the very real point that promiscuous sex heightens your chance of contracting AIDS.

On the original topic, I think the Bible is not the place for school. I teach American literature, and when we learn about Puritan and Colonial lit, there is a lot of allusion to the Bible, but I can't think of a place in our district's curriculum that could support the actual teaching of the Bible without having to give up something else. And since there is already a place that teaches the Bible -- church -- why make room in a public school's already full curriculum for it?

Just my two cents.

 

[deanws]

You are so correct. I have seen them in the most unlikely places and the most unlikely reasons. Newtv wrote about surrendering on another thread and I have to go with that in certain instances. You can't surround yourself with negativety for too long or you will absorb it.

Yes..that is VERY true. It gets depressing to be around a negative person for a long peroid of time.

 

[reb]

nan-
hhhmm... that's funny, i wished i had the family that did NOT go to church-- and when i was there, it was torture.. and there was no "concentrating".......?? i could have learned a lot more going to the park, or an art museum, or the library, etc. etc. etc... and learned a lot more about the beautiful things in life.. which would have been years better spent than being forced to sit on a hard pew while some old guy droned on and on about some obscure B.S., in a socially stifling atmosphere, while everyone was fake and phony with each other-- and being forced to attend some stupid sunday school where there WAS no curriculum, with a bunch of catty, elitist kids.

talkabout hypocrisy-- i first learned about hypocrisy at a very young age by my church experience.

dakini & irishmist-- you beat me to it.. like we are supposed to believe some propaganda from an anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-secular, radical right-wing religious group!! please!!!!

 

[deanws]

nan-
hhhmm... that's funny, i wished i had the family that did NOT go to church-- and when i was there, it was torture.. and there was no "concentrating".......?? i could have learned a lot more going to the park, or an art museum, or the library, etc. etc. etc... and learned a lot more about the beautiful things in life.. which would have been years better spent than being forced to sit on a hard pew while some old guy droned on and on about some obscure B.S., in a socially stifling atmosphere, while everyone was fake and phony with each other-- and being forced to attend some stupid sunday school where there WAS no curriculum, with a bunch of catty, elitist kids.

talkabout hypocrisy-- i first learned about hypocrisy at a very young age by my church experience.

dakini & irishmist-- you beat me to it.. like we are supposed to believe some propaganda from an anti-choice, anti-gay, anti-secular, radical right-wing religious group!! please!!!!

:loser: :slap: :razz:

 

[Becba]

:loser: :slap: :razz:

I think it is the church the poster went to that is the loser.
I went to church as a kid and loved it. My son went and felt totally left out and actually puked from the stress when he came home. He and a friend were invited and the Lady Pastor said someone in the church was evil and stared straight at them. He was afraid to go to church after that one. lol

 

[deanws]

I think it is the church the poster went to that is the loser.
I went to church as a kid and loved it. My son went and felt totally left out and actually puked from the stress when he came home. He and a friend were invited and the Lady Pastor said someone in the church was evil and stared straight at them. He was afraid to go to church after that one. lol

 

[nanandjim]

...talkabout hypocrisy-- i first learned about hypocrisy at a very young age by my church experience...

I'm sorry that you had such a bad experience. Not all churches are like the one that you describe. God has allowed us the choice to choose between right and wrong. Sometimes, I wish that he would just make me stay on the straight and narrow. Alas, it doesn't work that way.

 

[reb]

well, we went to several different churches as my dad was a minister (methodist) & he got moved around a lot. but yes i do know that all religions, all sects within religions, and all churches within sects within religions are different... but these days i prefer to just stay out of it all, and try to be a decent person with good morals without being involved in any of that mess!

however, i do appreciate that the church experience may be a good one for some people,, i just don't appreciate it when they try to force it upon others, or think non-religious people are evil, lost, or think that you can't be a decent person with good morals unless you are in their religion/church, etc....! that just ain't right!!
so many religious folks will say "only god can judge" but then they turn around and judge you, and it seems like they are getting worse.