Big city Law Enforcement VS Satsuma

[pittsburghgirl]

Without a body or remains, it's harder to make a case. And now, with Misty and Tommy in jail and looking at long prison terms, there's not the urgency there would have been with those two on the streets. (For those of you who suspect Ron was involved, the same point holds true for him.)

I give LE in this case a lot of credit for keeping the case active and trying to get the people who know what happened to talk. Remember, too, we don't know what any of these people are saying behind the jailhouse door, or who else in their network of family and friends may be talking as well. It's been 15 months and we can at least say that LE appears to be certain the Haleigh is dead and that two Individuals (at least) know what happened. Just as in every other case, we are never going to know everything--even if Misty finally talks, it's unlikely that she tell the truth about her own motives for what she did and has done since that night. Lots of urban cases go unsolved, as well, in terms of what the public is told. I give the people working this case a lot of credit for getting this far and not giving up.

 

[dodie20]

For those of you who don't think that LE will go as far as play games with someone who they feel might have committed a crime in order for them to possibly let their guard down, I'm here to tell you they will. My exhusband, my son and even myself at one point have all been in Law Enforcement for a number of years. They will even go as far as play one criminal against another to get to the truth. A good example of what they will do is the Undercover Police Officer who was buying and selling drugs with RC, MC, CC, TC and DB while recording the whole ordeal. The UC was their best friend at the time. LE will do what it takes to get to the truth.

I understand that LE uses head games set-ups, lies, whatever...but, in this case, it really doesn't look like that. People like Mark Klaus, Tim Miller, Nancy Grace, Cobra, just about everybody that might have access to inside information, is on the same page. 'Ron isn't involved'. They really believe he was at work, & passed that poly. So, if LE is playing Ron, then they are using all of these people to perpetuate the game? I don't think so. Logic tells me that they are getting inside information, & at the least, LE doesn't consider Ron a suspect-for some reason. & I don't see ANY LE suspecting one person, (Ron), but letting another one, (Misty), take the public bashing, she has. I know cops can lie & stuff, but deliberately allowing an innocent person's reputation to be ruined, has got to be illegal. But, Ron, was busted right along with Misty & Tommy, so maybe they aren't as sure as they once were?

 

[dodie20]

I understand that LE uses head games set-ups, lies, whatever...but, in this case, it really doesn't look like that. People like Mark Klaus, Tim Miller, Nancy Grace, Cobra, just about everybody that might have access to inside information, is on the same page. 'Ron isn't involved'. They really believe he was at work, & passed that poly. So, if LE is playing Ron, then they are using all of these people to perpetuate the game? I don't think so. Logic tells me that they are getting inside information, & at the least, LE doesn't consider Ron a suspect-for some reason. & I don't see ANY LE suspecting one person, (Ron), but letting another one, (Misty), take the public bashing, she has. I know cops can lie & stuff, but deliberately allowing an innocent person's reputation to be ruined, has got to be illegal. But, Ron, was busted right along with Misty & Tommy, so maybe they aren't as sure as they once were?

& I want to add, that I do believe all of these people, are basing their support, on inside information. But commen sense says that Ron was involved, so I'm wondering if that inside information, is wrong.

 

[Maryann123]

I understand that LE uses head games set-ups, lies, whatever...but, in this case, it really doesn't look like that. People like Mark Klaus, Tim Miller, Nancy Grace, Cobra, just about everybody that might have access to inside information, is on the same page. 'Ron isn't involved'. They really believe he was at work, & passed that poly. So, if LE is playing Ron, then they are using all of these people to perpetuate the game? I don't think so. Logic tells me that they are getting inside information, & at the least, LE doesn't consider Ron a suspect-for some reason. & I don't see ANY LE suspecting one person, (Ron), but letting another one, (Misty), take the public bashing, she has. I know cops can lie & stuff, but deliberately allowing an innocent person's reputation to be ruined, has got to be illegal. But, Ron, was busted right along with Misty & Tommy, so maybe they aren't as sure as they once were?

Law Enforcement didn't contac Ron, did they? I think it was Misty the UC contacted about getting drugs. Ron put himself in the middle of the sting, and I think they had no choice but to charge him too. I think LE holds him up to be the grieving father, and can't get past it. I don't agree, but what do I know!

 

[Chablis]

Law Enforcement didn't contac Ron, did they? I think it was Misty the UC contacted about getting drugs. Ron put himself in the middle of the sting, and I think they had no choice but to charge him too. I think LE holds him up to be the grieving father, and can't get past it. I don't agree, but what do I know!

However, they did NOT have to charge Ron for his dealing with Misty, they had a choice. I mean, we arent seeing the people they bought from to sell to the UC being brought in do we? I mean they were going to someones house and getting the pills, and the UC cop is driving and knows where he drops them off, and charges as far as I know have not been brought against them, and one would have to wonder why.

If the LE thought Ronald was innocent in what happened to HaLeigh, its my opinion he would not be sitting on 900k bond. How can anyone ignore the astronomical, not normal bail amount for his crime?

 

[dodie20]

However, they did NOT have to charge Ron for his dealing with Misty, they had a choice. I mean, we arent seeing the people they bought from to sell to the UC being brought in do we? I mean they were going to someones house and getting the pills, and the UC cop is driving and knows where he drops them off, and charges as far as I know have not been brought against them, and one would have to wonder why.

If the LE thought Ronald was innocent in what happened to HaLeigh, its my opinion he would not be sitting on 900k bond. How can anyone ignore the astronomical, not normal bail amount for his crime?

well, I can't ignore it, & that's my one ray of hope, that LE isn't quite finished with Ronald.

 

[TxLady2]

It's been so long since any real news has come out about this case, I'm just as frustrated as everyone else. I have no idea why it's taking so long, except that there is no body, and that makes it very difficult to build a case against anyone. They can try a case without a body, but... there has to be some pretty solid evidence of murder for them to even indict someone, much less win a conviction. Maybe they just don't have the proof they need yet. And like someone else said... it's not up to LE to bring the charges... it's up to the State Attorney. LE can only investigate the case... the rest is up to the SA.

 

[GER]

However, they did NOT have to charge Ron for his dealing with Misty, they had a choice. I mean, we arent seeing the people they bought from to sell to the UC being brought in do we? I mean they were going to someones house and getting the pills, and the UC cop is driving and knows where he drops them off, and charges as far as I know have not been brought against them, and one would have to wonder why.

If the LE thought Ronald was innocent in what happened to HaLeigh, its my opinion he would not be sitting on 900k bond. How can anyone ignore the astronomical, not normal bail amount for his crime?

Looking at the jail log, soon after the arrests of the players in this case, I noted with interest some with charges that would be considered a possible tie in with whom the players had bought pills from... We don't know who these people are, nor do I believe that we'll ever really know and not from LE either. So, to me, when the Sheriff said that other charges/arrests were expected, I believed that is what he meant...the dealers', dealers as it were...LOL In the PDN, soon after the player's arrests, was an arrest of a guy around RC's age that was busted in town coming out of the Palatka Pharmacy with a filled prescription of as many as 120 or 190 pills,...(sorry don't know what kind exactly) and he had a 'lifted' Dr. prescription pad in his possession as well... It is this last example of an arrest that could be tied in... I believe that at this point, LE is doing what they can with what they've got to work with, the best possible way...just my humble opinion...

 

[GER]

Sheriff Hardy, newly elected, in office just a little over a month, I believe when HaLeigh went missing. ...Some of the higher holding officers were let go by Sheriff Hardy once he took office. The same goes for the DA in this area, I believe... Inexperienced, perhaps...but I personally don't hold that against them...believing instead that they've proven themselves in handling such high profile cases...all in all.

 

[Whisperer]

You better believe rc is singing like the canary he is. He isn't going down w/o taking a bunch with him.

Regarding the LE, I would like to think they were game-playing this group but it isn't so.I am afraid that what we see is what we get. They do not know who committed the crime. They seem to be telling us though that misty does know.

They have not been able to question rc since the beginning because he lawyered up. They were not able to question misty like they should due to her age. Sure she was willing to talk, but she gave them nothing and if they pressed her, you can bet she alerted them to her age.

So they waited till she was eighteen. Now they have all the potential perps rounded up. They have now all firmly lawyered up and there will be no tough questions from here on out.

We might as well be content that they will go to prison for something rather than nothing. It is the best we can hope for now....untill chatterbox gives info to another inmate....at some point down the line.

I don't think much could be done now..the time was in the first 48 hours. LE waited and waited and wanted to do everything by the book speak politically correctly and get it right. They were afraid of the media and it showed. I think it cost them the case.

 

[Concerned Papa]

I just saw this:

TERESA NEVES: Do you think she`s going to talk?

CUMMINGS:...The cops are not just going run out and tell nobody. They do, then they're going to have me to deal with.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1003/01/ng.01.html

Is that supposed to be some type of a threat?

 

[Missingmeds]

That is exactly what it was Papa. I have repeatedly stated that people need to be looking at the relatives of Ron Cummings in this case. His father and his uncle and their known associates.

I believe that some members of PCSO have some of the same associates and that is why we are seeing what we are seeing in this case. I do believe that there was some bungling that has gone on, but I also believe that there is way more to the story than we know.

The average person just can't clean up a crime scene well enough for it to not be detected. The average person can't hide a body well enough for it not be discovered at some point. Yes we hear about people like Dalimer and Gacy but those were special cases.

People commit murder everyday and the body is usually discovered in short order. That leads me to believe that while the actual death of Haleigh wasn't planned, the people that took care of her body and the crime scene/scenes, were really good at it and have likely done so before.

 

[SoSueMe]

So PSCO did find a human bone and they lied to the press.

http://www.ocala.com/article/201006...amined-remains-in-search-for-Haleigh-Cummings

 

[Chablis]

So PSCO did find a human bone and they lied to press.

http://www.ocala.com/article/201006...amined-remains-in-search-for-Haleigh-Cummings

Imagine that!!!

 

[Gwen]

So PSCO did find a human bone and they lied to press.

http://www.ocala.com/article/201006...amined-remains-in-search-for-Haleigh-Cummings

Well! That makes me go "hummmmmmm".

I was thinking only a little bit ago that this case has lost all its legs in the press with the Joran and the other "newer" cases. I come here and have to look for Haleigh's threads.

I have been in prayer for this baby for days. I pray the cops will make a move soon. Everytime I think its gonna fade away.......some little tidbit of info comes to light and hope rises again.

LE in Satsuma have had a little break from the press the past couple of weeks. I hope this means their coffee break is over.

 

[twall]

I would like to know what basis/proof LE has in determining Haleigh is deceased and it is a homicide. I hope it wasn't the finding of a human bone and Tommy's story. If that is what the statement is based on then there is something seriously wrong in PC. I would think one would not announce that kind of information (Haleigh being deceased) to the public if they don't have the proof.

JMO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

More than likely LE already knows what happened to Haleigh and who is responsible, but now it comes down to finding the evidence to prove their case to bring about an arrest(s) in order to get a conviction that will stick.

LE/DA only get one shot at this and it has to be right! If they want this murder charge to stick and someone get convicted for it, it must be solid evidence. I do hope they truly know what's happened to HaLeigh, how and why but we will not be privy to it until an arrest is made.

I remember hearing a fresh set of eyes was brought in earlier, he had a french sounding name..

LE has their hands full rummaging through all the rumor mills around town. They had NayNay's letter of HaLeigh ODing being thrown in that lake or pond. They looked at all the SO's/RSO's around that town, questioned many/all. LE has so much to waddle through, I really feel sorry for them. How do you distingquish what is truth when they have all lied their arses off? They have a hard road to travel trying to dislodge the smut.

Are they still looking at cousin JO? Did he truly have a part in this? Can it be a vendetta against RC? Did he do something so horrible/heinous to warrant this kind of retribution against his child? Why just HaLeigh? Was it a SO? Was MC jealous of the love RC had for HaLeigh? Did HaLeigh take too much of daddy's time? Did MC overreact and hurt HaLeigh through discipline? Too many questions that have no answers, for the moment...I do believe PSCO is working on this even as we type. They want HaLeigh found just as much as we do...

I still believe MC is the one who knows more than she's telling. If LE are satisfied with RC's work and was there the entire time, it leaves only MC, her brother ToC who placed himself at the trailer (checking on MC since she didn't answer her phone) and their cousin JO. I hope a break comes for HaLeigh and comes soon, this child deserves to be brought home..JMHO

Justice for HaLeigh

 

[Maryann123]

OK, so now we know human bones were found in the river that obviously were there for many, many years. Is it safe to assume if Haleigh's body was ever in that water, they would have found evidence of that? And that means Tommy was lying, just like he said he was, Misty was lying, just like the LDT seemed to indicate, and Cousin Joe is in the clear for another day. LE was running with Ron's account of Joe saying that was a perfect place to get rid of a body. Tommy was coerced into backing up that story. The next thing we see is Ron looking like the cat that ate the canary, Joe crying, Tommy losing his family, and Misty.........well, Misty just looking fat and sassy. Nothing accomplished, and a lot of time and money wasted. Misty says it better than anyone.....They just need to move on!

 

[Maryann123]

When I hear the words, "satisfied with Ron's work hours" that's when I'm at my lowest. I figure with this kind of thinking, this case will never be solved. Whatever happened could have happened before he went to work, or with him working outdoors, alone, who knows how long he could be gone without anyone missing him? I'm not satisfied with anything Ron has said or done. His actions are the most suspicious of any player, yet he gets the least amount of attention. LE needs to give plan A a rest, and go to Plan B. I seriously doubt there is a plan B!

 

[Emeralgem]

You better believe rc is singing like the canary he is. He isn't going down w/o taking a bunch with him.

Regarding the LE, I would like to think they were game-playing this group but it isn't so.I am afraid that what we see is what we get. They do not know who committed the crime. They seem to be telling us though that misty does know.

They have not been able to question rc since the beginning because he lawyered up. They were not able to question misty like they should due to her age. Sure she was willing to talk, but she gave them nothing and if they pressed her, you can bet she alerted them to her age.

So they waited till she was eighteen. Now they have all the potential perps rounded up. They have now all firmly lawyered up and there will be no tough questions from here on out.

We might as well be content that they will go to prison for something rather than nothing. It is the best we can hope for now....untill chatterbox gives info to another inmate....at some point down the line.

I don't think much could be done now..the time was in the first 48 hours. LE waited and waited and wanted to do everything by the book speak politically correctly and get it right. They were afraid of the media and it showed. I think it cost them the case.

BBM.. I wil never be convinced thats the case..All just my opinion..