Big win for the Prosecution, Padilla's team's testimony will come in !

[jon_burrows]

My long held suspicion on this is that Leonard has told all of us a little white lie, and that he always had Tracey wired while she was in the house with KC. Which would be an illegal wiretap and an illegal act. So many of Leonards stories of KC seem to bounce between first person accounts and heresay third person ones day to day that I have kind of suspected that he was simply listening in on KC's conversations with his various team members. Now granted this would make sense from a safety standpoint. What was the point of having the rest of the team outside in an RV if there was no immediate way to know of trouble. Which means either a panic button or a wire. Without one of those there was really no point to the RV at all. They could have simply stayed in a hotel and rotated in in shifts.

I could be wrong on this. Hopefully I am because if it was true and it did ever come out it could taint any testimony from LP.

Very interesting, you may be on to something. Anyone know what kind of legal trouble LP and crew could get into if this is what happened? I thought illegal wiretapping was a very serious offense.

 

[Bittiness39]

My thoughts on wiring tapping:
First off, this in no way takes away from the observations of the person in the house at the time. No matter who that is. So if KC barely mentioned her daughter, made things about KC, barely mentioned ZFG, barely aided in the search for her own flesh and blood (shocker that...such a good mother that KC...such a wonderful upstanding member of society...whatever will the world do if she is convicted and she can't contribute on the level to the human experience that she has already...such a tragic loss for us all...on so many levels) matters not. Those things will come in.
When you tape someone over the phone or in conversation it has to be made clear that the parties are aware of said taping. Unless it is sanctioned by law enforcement.
But Jose is such a Baez that no doubt he was aware that the home may be monitored but was more concerned about anyone other than the garden tool (KC et all) profitting from this case. My guess is it matters not. What Tracy saw and experienced...including little miss garden tool changing her story and blabbing about KC KC KC 24/7 will come in as evidence and is just proof of what a total waste of space she truly is.
I don't know to what extent LE has looked into this. But I would bet my money on the fact that they have covered all of their bases.
Anyone like cooked goose?

 

[CuriousTwo]

From what I understand, each state's laws regarding taping a conversation vary. In Texas, just one party involved has to be aware of the taping, and that party can be the one doing the taping. IIRC. That's never made sense to me.

With LP's legal background, I can't imagine that he would take a risk of recording conversations if they wouldn't be legally admissable in court later. He's flamboyant and flashy, but when it comes down to justice for Caylee, I would hate to think that he'd break the law to "catch" Casey in a lie.

 

[Spangle]

Very interesting, you may be on to something. Anyone know what kind of legal trouble LP and crew could get into if this is what happened? I thought illegal wiretapping was a very serious offense.

In the privacy agreement that was turned into the court, states they will not tape, etc. KC.

If they just signed such an agreement, I would find it strange they would immediately break the agreement by recording her.

 

[TinaD]

Maybe they weren't recording conversations, just monitoring them.

 

[autumnlover]

Also, even though he doesn't practice LP is a lawyer so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say that he wasn't wiretapping. What I think the immunity deal for Tracy is about is that KC told her something incriminating and she didn't report it to LE, thus possible obstruction charges. I remember reading that Tracy "bonded" with KC (can't imagine KC bonding with anyone) so maybe she didn't tell LE stuff she knew initially. Of course, I could be totally wrong and that rascal LP was illegally wiretapping the A's. :waitasec:

 

[magic-cat]

Why would Tracy need immunity?

IIRC it was because of the privacy agreement that they all signed and she wanted assurance that she would not be held accountable for breeching said agreement.

My long held suspicion on this is that Leonard has told all of us a little white lie, and that he always had Tracey wired while she was in the house with KC. Which would be an illegal wiretap and an illegal act. So many of Leonards stories of KC seem to bounce between first person accounts and heresay third person ones day to day that I have kind of suspected that he was simply listening in on KC's conversations with his various team members. Now granted this would make sense from a safety standpoint. What was the point of having the rest of the team outside in an RV if there was no immediate way to know of trouble. Which means either a panic button or a wire. Without one of those there was really no point to the RV at all. They could have simply stayed in a hotel and rotated in in shifts.

I could be wrong on this. Hopefully I am because if it was true and it did ever come out it could taint any testimony from LP.

They communicated by walkie talkie from one to the other, so they were in costant contact.

 

[trafficsUP66]

Keep in mind, it is the very laughable assertion by KC's defense that she is innocent.

Decomp in KC's car...what decomp? Dodgy science.:waitasec:

Caylee's remains are found with what appears to be stuff taken from the A's home...someone else had to have access to the home. As well as access to Caylee's belongings and KC's car. :crazy:

The trash bag in KC's car, removed at the tow yard, had paper towels in it covered in decomp...must have been the pizza, a squirrel...:bang:

KC was CSI skankbarhopping and getting tattoos while Caylee was missing...KC was ugly coping. :furious:

KC never reported her child missing...she was protecting her family...and searching various places like malls, Target, the bank, Blockbuster, Universal, parks, yada yada yada. Whatever would KC have done if she had actually caught this phantom imaginary babysitter?

KC received a call from an unknown number the day before she was arrested on a whim...from Caylee...phone records don't always show up...she was switching her sim card back and forth. The phone company is in league with the FBI, SA, LE, etc...to frame KC by deleting a critical phone call that would have proven that Caylee was only "missing" and not actually dead. :behindbar

No one bought KC's original story of dropping off Caylee at the SawGrass...well, she was forcibly taken from her at JB park...that's the ticket.:clap:

Ergo, henceforth, if all of the above nonsense is true (and I ain't no moron, I am right in the head...lol) then why worry about what Padilla and co could possibly say about this wrongly accused and targeted upstanding member of society?

She was a hard worker (lying about a fake job and pretending to go to work all the time is hard...work ya'll: cut her some slack).

She is responsible with money (nevermind that she steals it from sleepwalkers and relations in nursing homes...she probably only spent that money on Caylee...hah).

She was with her child all the time...never allowed her near any cigarette lit or not...(I guess all of that time 90% that Caylee spent being watched by CA and GA doesn't count).
She is good at yard work. (She borrows and returns shovels from neighbors to clear out bamboo.)

And most importantly, she would never appear in anyway abnormal, guilty, lying ect...to people living in the house with her for nine days.

LOL. I can't wait to read the interviews of Padilla and Co. If there is nothing to fear, why object? Because, quite simply, LP, etc... were all flies on the wall in that house apart from the A's...a place I know a lot of us wanted to be...and during a very critical time. They can provide something that the jury would not get otherwise. Truthful observations of what it was really like in there. What was said. What KC did. What her parents did.

All I have to say is "have a nice day, JB." Maybe you can find a character witness for your client on Craigs List. LOL. You could always start calling random peeps listed in the phone book.

This is just what I needed to hear.

Just loved your post LittleBitty!

And, specifically the part about WHAT little Casey Anthony would have done had she come across such "dangerous" people who weere so clearly (cough cough) a "threat" to her child and her family???

And presumably herself???

That's another thing that makes her second "story" such a crock not to mention leading her family to believe this was the case while in jail--and when they asked her if the family was threatened, she told them to "just leave it at that"! Right.

Yet she told LE who what where and when? (even tho outright LIES she still insisted that was her story at the end of her interview)

Definitely never thought out her story and it will come back at her BIG TIME that she was doing her OWN investigation and "stake outs" during those 31 days? What a friggin joke she is.

Whenever did she have the TIME................?

PS: I just want to say that I hope that poster's don't think I purposely ignore if there are answers to any of my posts because I honestly still get lost--often when I get back on the threads I rarely see the last thread I wrote in so I just begin reading the newest and try to play catch up. I use the thanks button most often because of this!
Any help anyone could give on how to keep track would be so much appreciated?
TIA!

 

[The World According]

Several months ago on NG, LP said that KC told him the b park story. When he told KC he did not believe her and wanted the truth, KC got angry and told him to get out of her house.

Uncle Rick and Grandma Shirley probably think Leonard is the Hero and the only one in that entire scenerio with any cahones as they say here in Texas. They didn't fall for her BS and were absolutely incredulous that Cindy did, so very often and they connect the dots of how we got here to the enabling. It is a cautionary tale, I have said it before. Setting limits, setting an example, having moral standards in your family.... all the things we took for granted from our hard working, salt of the earth, God fearing parents who held us to task and guided us through our teenage years to be productive adults. It i humbling to know how dedicated our parents were, I for one put my Mom through hell and somehow she never gave up or let me slide. I get it now, and I am so thankful. I can see the mess that is made when you "Spare the rod and spoil the child", you wind up with a young lady without any compass at all. It is my belief that is the real reason George and Cindy cover for her so much now, I think late at night, alone with their thoughts, it is inevitable, they feel like they dropped the ball and they wonder how much of this is their fault. Do you ever wonder that about them? I am so glad that Leonard did ride in to town, however colorful, it is through him and his team we will learn the Amber Frye truth, and can discern all the Casey sized lies Cindy and George told in their depos and in the media. I remember in the taped FBI interview, the FBI agent revealed to George the very shocking, warped view of Casey being responsible, etc. Cindy had described in her written questions and answers. Leonard on the other hand had her firgured out in short order and called her on it. My favorite line of his, was, "This ain't my first rodeo!"
You are so right, Casey threw him out, she knew her gig was up.

 

[The World According]

Someone asked why Tracy would ask for immunity and if we think Casey will take the stand. "Pray to God, yes, of course... but do ROW FOE THE SHORE!"
Now we all know that Beaz, if left unattended may think it is a wise decision, but the more learned counsel on the team will make sure she does not take the stand. Baez for heaven's sake, should have had her plead guilty OR no contest to the civil charges and all of this deposing would not have went on and no harm would have came to his client. He should have had her plead guilty to the check fraud as well, afterall it is indeed memorialized ON VIDEO and he as much as admitted guilt by paying restitution, and that too would be adjudicated and behind him, since the eventual guilty VERDICT is 100% a certainty. Instead, he wasted months, and months trying to get to the bottom of Casey being videotaped having a reaction to learning she was busted when they found the child's body. He puts all of his energy and enthusiasm in to the oddest of things, that likely would never have NEVER came in to trial at all, so it is just a relief to know that there are others on that team with some judgment. The police had the cell phones and home phone monitored and all the Anthony vehicles tracked by GPS, of course. Leonard had no reason to need to do this. He knew every move the police were making and why and how. Casey was already trying to say that Tracy was on her (Casey's) computer, etc., so the defense is going to try to say Tracy and Jesse and Tony and the mailman planted evidence. She may be concerned about things that were divulged or she overheard being discussed between the parents, Baez and or Casey and wonder if she should have come to the detectives or remained silent. I don't blame her for asking for immunity or some protection. Consider who she is dealing with, these people she saw first hand, had framing and blaming people to take attention away from Casey down to a sport in their family. I'd want to call on a lawyer, immunity, Jesus, the Marines.....you name it if I were in her position. Look what they did to Jesse and poor Amy. Scary, and sobering! Look what Casey accused Lee of , and he according to her is the light of her life! I'd donate to Texas Equisearch and Tony, Amy and this young lady Tracy's legal counsel.... all day long.

 

[The World According]

Baez knew all along that there wasen't any privilege involved between Padilla's team and his team. He's an attorney, he the one that drew up the contract padilla's team signed. He was just trying to pull a fast one on judge Strickland, and the judge knows it. I think this is an example of what we can expect to see alot of from Baez & company when this case goes to trial.

While one of the gentleman Prosecutors openly laughs and shakes his head no to things the defense team says, (like when the lawyer stood up there and said, "This proves her innocence" , regarding the Texas Equisearchers who were near the Caylee tree, the judge I know has a hard time not getting the church giggles. You know when you cannot, no matter how hard you try, hold back your lagughter at a wholly inappropriate time, that is how I see the judge when Baez comes in to court with the most amatuer demands and silly, ill prepared documents and pleads nonsense that a first year law student would know better than to do. The funnies thing about this document regarding Padilla to me is that Baez admits he took "A long time preparing and researching", I had imagined he tried to hurry and write up something on the fly, on a srap piece of paper and in his haste came up with a document that contradicts itself. We all fear, and it seems to be a certainty that ne day Casey is going to ask for a new trial based on ineffective counsel, it wont fly because of Andrea and Linda and Henry and other experts being on the team, but if it were Baez alone, the local taxpayers there would be calling for his resignation based on the very predicatable expense of the second trial. He is always so glib and so proud of himself, yet he is looked upon as a goof. It is like watching a train wreck. I find it interesting how he and the other lawyers stand to block the view of her parents when she is being escorted out, and how she didn't offer any smile to her father. When her lovers and friends take the stand I wonder if she will look at them the same way she will look at Tracy and the rest of Leonard's team, or if she will not disappoint and flirt with them all, male and female. Remember Scott Peterson looking adoringly at Amber throughout, and saying he was "Proud of Amber for coming foward".

I remember a reporting asking George and Cindy if they ask their daughter now that she was out on bond what happened and they said, "NO, we don't ever discuss the case, ever, we were all instructed to never discuss the case with our daughter by her lawyers". I think Tracy will be able to help the jury understand Casey's demeanor and I recall Leonard saying that Tracy and Rob both recounted to him that Casey only spoke of the child once in a while, and it was, and this is important, IN THE PAST TENSE.

 

[The World According]

In light of the recent information released about chloroform, if it is related, I am glad that Tracy will be testifying for the state to relay that Casey offered up to her that she knew chloroform will knock you out , and this was before there was any mention of that chemical in this case! I think that is very compelling, you line up one hundred twenty- two year olds and see how many of them know about chloroform.:furious:

 

[magic-cat]

In light of the recent information released about chloroform, if it is related, I am glad that Tracy will be testifying for the state to relay that Casey offered up to her that she knew chloroform will knock you out , and this was before there was any mention of that chemical in this case! I think that is very compelling, you line up one hundred twenty- two year olds and see how many of them know about chloroform.:furious:

Let's see...
Chloroform searches on the computer (how to MAKE!).
Chloroform present in HIGH levels in the trunk of Casey's car.
Chloroform mentioned to the bodyguard BEFORE any info about chloroform released publicly.
Cindy LIES about chlorophyl searches on the computer but denies making the others done at the same time about neck-breaking and shovels...
Chloroform FOUND at the remains scene in close proximity to the remains.
Needle found at the remains scene inside a bottle which contained chloroform...
Chloroform picture on one of Casey's ex-boyfriends MySpace...

I think there is a little too much about chloroform going on here to be just a mere coincidence.

 

[Schmerty_Jones]

It seems like"Be sure your sins will find you out". Has a nice RIIIIIINNNNGGG
to it ,eh?:dance::dance::croc:

 

[The World According]

I finally found it....at the very beginning of this interview LP states that he has a good friend
IN THE MEDIA, who does a lot of announcing,
who he goes over cases with, and that they talked about it over a couple of days,
he e mailed his friend that he would indeed take up the case, that media friend forwarded LP's e mail to HIS AFFILIATE AT FOX .....
"We arrived in Orlando and the media was at the airport" LP explained with a chuckle.

This is what I suspected, but I just couldn't be sure. I do believe LP has had a media deal from jump. I wonder if Baez did too, not penned actually, just a wink and a nod between friends, you know over a beer, kicked back...on a Sunday...out sailing. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ugO2hUFhro[/ame]


In any case, I am glad that Tracey and Rob's testimony will come in to trial, because I think their description of her demeanor when she got out on bail will seal her fate with the jury.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQHIQYRsV_I[/ame] [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9ZppFrtgGM[/ame]

In this video Tracey recounts that Cindy basically admits she knows Casey is responsible. According to Tracey Casey asks her "What do you think of Casey? What do you think happened...could she have lost her at the mall or what?"
She begins with a rude comment about bloggers, but I still find this particular portion of her testimony valuable; because,it tells us that even as early as Casey getting out of jail the first time....mom and pop knew, or were operating on a pretty good hunch that Casey was responsible. They may have believed it to be an an accident, but clearly there was no Zanny to look for.

George to his friend, Jim: "I am not gonna live this lie."

 

[beach]

I wonder if Baez did too, not penned actually, just a wink and a nod between friends, you know over a beer, kicked back...on a Sunday...out sailing.

--respectfully snipped by me

 

[trafficsUP66]

My long held suspicion on this is that Leonard has told all of us a little white lie, and that he always had Tracey wired while she was in the house with KC. Which would be an illegal wiretap and an illegal act. So many of Leonards stories of KC seem to bounce between first person accounts and heresay third person ones day to day that I have kind of suspected that he was simply listening in on KC's conversations with his various team members. Now granted this would make sense from a safety standpoint. What was the point of having the rest of the team outside in an RV if there was no immediate way to know of trouble. Which means either a panic button or a wire. Without one of those there was really no point to the RV at all. They could have simply stayed in a hotel and rotated in in shifts.

I could be wrong on this. Hopefully I am because if it was true and it did ever come out it could taint any testimony from LP.

This may be a bit late however, in a more recent interview either on the NG show or Levi's I remember LP stating that TM was constantly texting what was poing on in the house out to LP in the trailer. The convo began about the one particular occasion when things got loud inside with GA yelling at KC for the truth about what happened to his granddaughter.
She was pretty much texting constantly about what was happening, being said etc etc

I don't believe there was any illegal taping going on.

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

Some are discussing Tracey, LP's employee who was with Casey while out on bond. There were letters released and we have seen that Tracey has written to Casey. I had posted on the letters thread that Tracey was not on the witness list and then wanted to find any threads on this subject. I had forgotten that Padilla's team's testimony would come in...

We have Tracey writing to Casey and saying, "don't worry I won't say anything", how does this all come together, I wonder?

...js...

 

[chefmom]

Hello WS

Some are discussing Tracey, LP's employee who was with Casey while out on bond. There were letters released and we have seen that Tracey has written to Casey. I had posted on the letters thread that Tracey was not on the witness list and then wanted to find any threads on this subject. I had forgotten that Padilla's team's testimony would come in...

We have Tracey writing to Casey and saying, "don't worry I won't say anything", how does this all come together, I wonder?

...js...

BBM

IMO, she was simply saying that to gain KC's trust, and perhaps have her open up a bit to her. There is no way she can get around her deposition with LE, where she clearly states that she never mentioned Caylee's name, and acted like a kid home from camp, or something to that effect. That bell can't be unrung.

 

[RR0004]

Hello WS

Some are discussing Tracey, LP's employee who was with Casey while out on bond. There were letters released and we have seen that Tracey has written to Casey. I had posted on the letters thread that Tracey was not on the witness list and then wanted to find any threads on this subject. I had forgotten that Padilla's team's testimony would come in...

We have Tracey writing to Casey and saying, "don't worry I won't say anything", how does this all come together, I wonder?

...js...

I wonder how she (TM) can get around all the air time LP has milked on this case. I cannot fathom Casey wanting to get close to this person. JMO