MISTRIAL Bill Cosby -- Charged W/Aggravated Sexual Assault/Other Rape Allegations #5

[BetteDavisEyes]

^ This article says that Cosby is 37 years her senior, so that makes her 41 now, 29 when allegedly drugged/assaulted by BC.

To Andrea Constand, Bill Cosby was a "mentor" who, at 37 years her senior, offered her guidance and advice on her career with Temple University...

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/who_is_bill_cosby_accuser_andrea_constand.html

 

[Slebby]

IIRC, the point was made that while he may have admitted to supplying qualudes to women, he did NOT admit to supplying them to unwilling sexual partners. IMO, this was to continue his contention that it was his belief that the women with whom he performed sexual acts were all willing participants.

True. But when BC admitted to the use of quaaludes for sex, for many it confirmed one detail of the rape allegations - that he had drugged the women then forced sexual acts on them once incapacitated.

Even if one were to stretch the imagination and say sure, BC provided quaaludes to women who knew what they were taking, the reality is that an incapacitated sex partner lacks the capacity to give consent. Hence any sexual act on an incapacitated partner is rape.

In my opinion, BC thought he could lessen the impact of the quaalude use, make it somehow sound like mere dabbling in drugs for a hip, party crowd. He inadvertently convicted himself, IMO. I believe that release of that detail of his quaalude admission was a huge turning point in the opinions of some of his ardent supporters.

IMO


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[ILOKAL]

^ This article says that Cosby is 37 years her senior, so that makes her 41 now, 29 when allegedly drugged/assaulted by BC.

To Andrea Constand, Bill Cosby was a "mentor" who, at 37 years her senior, offered her guidance and advice on her career with Temple University...

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015/12/who_is_bill_cosby_accuser_andrea_constand.html

Thanks. I thought that article was wrong.

 

[colette]

In the recent close up pictures I have seen of Cosby, his right eye is milky and looks blind but his left eye looks normal.

Here's a link to a recent picture:

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/01/three-new-bill-cosby-accusers-come-forward-gloria-allred

http://www.thewrap.com/bill-cosbys-...xual-assault-claims-as-outrageous-defamatory/

 

[Donjeta]

True. But when BC admitted to the use of quaaludes for sex, for many it confirmed one detail of the rape allegations - that he had drugged the women then forced sexual acts on them once incapacitated.

Even if one were to stretch the imagination and say sure, BC provided quaaludes to women who knew what they were taking, the reality is that an incapacitated sex partner lacks the capacity to give consent. Hence any sexual act on an incapacitated partner is rape.

In my opinion, BC thought he could lessen the impact of the quaalude use, make it somehow sound like mere dabbling in drugs for a hip, party crowd. He inadvertently convicted himself, IMO. I believe that release of that detail of his quaalude admission was a huge turning point in the opinions of some of his ardent supporters.

IMO


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He's not sure if she was able to consent? Why not? Shouldn't you be sure every time you have sex? Then it wouldn't be hard to remember.

Yes, perhaps she didn't say anything because she was incapacitated by the drugs you gave her.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/23/entertainment/cosby-deposition-quotes/

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The problem is that many people are thinking with brains of today and not the ones from 1979 when people were in a state of more free love and drugs and rocknroll.

So for me while I believe this is not going well for him, I can see that people may be rewriting history from 40 years ago with todays lilt.
So for the ones that seem to be from 1970s.. I have questions...

The one that is from 2000 or more seem more intact to me.

 

[jennapuppy]

The problem is that many people are thinking with brains of today and not the ones from 1979 when people were in a state of more free love and drugs and rocknroll.

So for me while I believe this is not going well for him, I can see that people may be rewriting history from 40 years ago with todays lilt.
So for the ones that seem to be from 1970s.. I have questions...

The one that is from 2000 or more seem more intact to me.

Actually, there were probably many women in the 70's who were drugged and raped, and were too humiliated to report it. It happened to me in college at a frat party in the 70's, and I never told anyone. I felt as though I had done something wrong and I was ashamed. I had somewhat repressed that memory for many years until the Cosby allegations surfaced. Nothing about the era of the 70's makes me feel OK about what happened to me. IMO

 

[Donjeta]

It doesn't seem to me like the brains of the women from the age of free love were much different, as far as being affected by rape. The victims from 1960's and 70's seem just as upset as the more recent ones.

 

[jennapuppy]

It doesn't seem to me like the brains of the women from the age of free love were much different, as far as being affected by rape. The victims from 1960's and 70's seem just as upset as the more recent ones.

Maybe the men of the 70's didn't care much about whether the woman was able to give consent, but women throughout the ages who found themselves in that situation have always cared.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Actually, there were probably many women in the 70's who were drugged and raped, and were too humiliated to report it. It happened to me in college at a frat party in the 70's, and I never told anyone. I felt as though I had done something wrong and I was ashamed. I had somewhat repressed that memory for many years until the Cosby allegations surfaced. Nothing about the era of the 70's makes me feel OK about what happened to me. IMO

Possibly but I also know it was a time of drugs and sex.. It was just different. I am not saying that it is not possible that women were not raped during this time, I am just saying I see a lot more variables during that time.
There are probably a lot of women who may regret their own behavior back then and look at it through today's eyes.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Maybe the men of the 70's didn't care much about whether the woman was able to give consent, but women throughout the ages who found themselves in that situation have always cared.

I don't know how old any of you guys are but it was a different time with different standards. Women were celebrating their sexual freedom and it was a crazier time.
I believe rape is rape.. I just wonder looking back if people remember things differently than they were?

 

[jennapuppy]

I don't know how old any of you guys are but it was a different time with different standards. Women were celebrating their sexual freedom and it was a crazier time.
I believe rape is rape.. I just wonder looking back if people remember things differently than they were?

Celebrating my sexual freedom never included having a vague memory of being in a bed while someone was climbing on top of me, and then coming to the full realization of what had happened to me the next morning. I never spoke of that night. In fact, this is the first time I have shared it with anyone ever. I was afraid of being criticized that I had somehow done something to put myself in that position. That is also part of what living in the 70's entailed. I lived through that era and I know exactly what it was like.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Celebrating my sexual freedom never included having a vague memory of being in a bed while someone was climbing on top of me, and then coming to the full realization of what had happened to me the next morning. I never spoke of that night. In fact, this is the first time I have shared it with anyone ever. I was afraid of being criticized that I had somehow done something to put myself in that position. That is also part of what living in the 70's entailed. I lived through that era and I know exactly what it was like.

It is hard to decide what happened without being there. I have to say in weighing that time, I just can't assume that there may not be more explanations to the stories. I do believe he is guilty of sexual attacks in some form. I am just not sure of all of them.

 

[jennapuppy]

It is hard to decide what happened without being there. I have to say in weighing that time, I just can't assume that there may not be more explanations to the stories. I do believe he is guilty of sexual attacks in some form. I am just not sure of all of them.

I'm just curious - were you a young woman in the 60's or 70's?

 

[Tawny]

Consent was still extremely important even in the most free-est of love times. The free love thing was more about taking away the stigma of sex with whomever whenever wherever. It had nothing to do with removing the consent of all involved. JMO.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know how old any of you guys are but it was a different time with different standards. Women were celebrating their sexual freedom and it was a crazier time.
I believe rape is rape.. I just wonder looking back if people remember things differently than they were?

I dunno, if it was just one mentally unstable woman I might buy she was getting second thoughts about her wild sexual history, maybe some religious pressures causing extreme anxiety and guilt about having sinned, and some kind of a mental breakdown or a defense mechanism turning that around in her mind as rape, but none of the women we've seen on video striked me that way.

It's such a recurrent pattern with Cosby and no other celeb who would have been having equally wild sex in the sixties and seventies has got 55 women saying he raped them, as far as I know, that it seems to me like it's easier to explain assuming that Cosby has something wrong with him (namely he is a raping sociopath) than assuming that coincidentally several women who had contact with Cosby have simultaneous weird memory problems.

There could be a couple who made it up but I think once it's been established that he probably did it once, twice, thrice... then he's already a serial rapist and I don't feel like I need to be looking for reasons to discredit women who say they were his victims.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I can certainly understand how someone who was raped back in the 70s could have rationalized/denied it at the time as being just another part of the crazy "free love" scene.

And who now, in a somewhat more enlightened time, is willing to call what happened back then what it truly was--rape.

 

[Donjeta]

At least 58 women total publicly accused Cosby of targeting them in incidents like the one Constand described to police. Allred says even more victims have contacted her.

"Even before the charges yesterday [there were victims], some of whom said they would be prepared to testify but just didn't want to public before that time, and since yesterday I've had even more contacts from even more women," Allred told the Today Show.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news...omen-have-come-forward-20151231#ixzz3w944XAVN
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[colette]

All the women involved plus Cosby's own talk of "Spanish Fly " on his record tells me he did it.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

All the women involved plus Cosby's own talk of "Spanish Fly " on his record tells me he did it.

And let's not forget, too, that faced with the possibility of 10+ women testifying to similar experiences in a public trial, he chose to settle Constand's civil case out of court.

ETA: Rather than fight it out to preserve his good name, which he clearly had the financial resources to do.

IDK, just me, but if I were falsely accused and had the deep pockets to pay for top-notch lawyers and private detectives and whatnot, I would do everything in my power to prove that liar slurring my name to be just that.