MISTRIAL Bill Cosby -- Charged W/Aggravated Sexual Assault/Other Rape Allegations #5

[BetteDavisEyes]

13. Cliff Huxtable (Bill Cosby), 'The Cosby Show'

Dr. Heathcliff "Cliff" Huxtable is an OB/GYN from Brooklyn Heights, New York. A dedicated husband and loving father, the good-humored doc is well respected by the community, albeit somewhat eccentric. The only thing Cliff loves as much as his wife and kids (Sondra, Denise, Theo, Vanessa and Rudy) is his collection of crazy sweaters.

Bill Cosby played Cliff Huxtable from 1984-1992.—XFINITY Entertainment Staff (Photo: AP)

http://my.xfinity.com/slideshow/entertainment-sitcomcharacters/?cid=hero_media

 

[zencompass]

Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities. Everybody loved him. From comedy to movies to admonishing people to do better. Aside from the fame and the wealth, his public persona was that of an extremely highly respected and honored entertainer. And not just a comedian but an actor with a creative mind who brought Fat Albert and all of the other loveable characters to life. He was endearing and "shucks it's just me" when in public. No one in their right mind would have imagined "who" Cosby really was and what he really did.

But...that's just it. Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities... and that's how he got away with it.

I will be cheering for Andrea Constand from the sidelines. I figure she didn't have "poor judgment" at the time but likelier thought that she was "losing her mind" thinking Cosby was putting the moves on her. After all, no one in their right mind would think that about Cosby... or would they? Way to go Andrea Constand for standing up. I applaud all women who stand up and speak their truth. They know that there will be criticizers and naysayers.

In spite of this, there will always be courageous women like Andrea Constand and thousands more like her. All I can say is that I stand with them.

 

[mister happy]

http://www.people.com/article/camille-cosby-files-emergency-motion-delay-deposition
Bill Cosby's attorneys filed an emergency motion Monday afternoon asking to delay Camille Cosby's deposition on Wednesday pending the outcome of her appeal, according to a copy of the motion obtained by PEOPLE.

This is weird. I thought since the appeal was already filed, Camille's Wednesday deposition would automatically be delayed pending the outcome of the appeal. Apparently not.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities. Everybody loved him. From comedy to movies to admonishing people to do better. Aside from the fame and the wealth, his public persona was that of an extremely highly respected and honored entertainer. And not just a comedian but an actor with a creative mind who brought Fat Albert and all of the other loveable characters to life. He was endearing and "shucks it's just me" when in public. No one in their right mind would have imagined "who" Cosby really was and what he really did.

But...that's just it. Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities... and that's how he got away with it.

I will be cheering for Andrea Constand from the sidelines. I figure she didn't have "poor judgment" at the time but likelier thought that she was "losing her mind" thinking Cosby was putting the moves on her. After all, no one in their right mind would think that about Cosby... or would they? Way to go Andrea Constand for standing up. I applaud all women who stand up and speak their truth. They know that there will be criticizers (yes even women unfortunately) that will be naysayers for whatever troubled reasoning they have. In spite of this, there will always be courageous women like Andrea Constand and thousands more like her. All I can say is that I stand with them.

:welcome: to Websleuths!

 

[Donjeta]

This is weird. I thought since the appeal was already filed, Camille's Wednesday deposition would automatically be delayed pending the outcome of the appeal. Apparently not.

Her motion was denied.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...mille-cosby-testify-defamation-suit/78251960/

A federal judge on Thursday denied a motion by Camille Cosby to throw out a subpoena requiring her to give a deposition in the lawsuit. She is scheduled to be deposed by lawyers for the women on Wednesday.

So what is pending on that anymore. Yeah, confusing.

 

[seattlechiquita]

What a patently disgusting article. A patently disgusting OPINION article, I might add.

No kidding, Who gets their news from the Heritage Fundie-ation?

 

[Chainsaw385]

Re BBM: If she "falls asleep" while drunk (passes out?) it should be considered revoked consent, IMO. Ya (general "you) don't just keep on a'truckin' if someone passes out during an activity wtf.

Not a funny subject but this made me laugh.....not only that but when my g/f asked me what I was laughing about she also laughed when I told her.

Then when I gave her the raised eyebrows ....... she said......"don't even think about it or you will lose it next time you pass out"
Since it is much more likely I will get drunk and pass out again before she does.I will take that as my consent has been revoked if she is unconscious and behave myself.

 

[wendiesan]

Her motion was denied.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...mille-cosby-testify-defamation-suit/78251960/
So what is pending on that anymore. Yeah, confusing.

Apparently an emergency appeal was filed. I believe CC's crew is arguing that CC's role as BC's kept-in-the-dark-like-a-mushroom-and-fed-nothing-but-etc.-wife trumps her role as the business manager who made BC what he is.

Camille's attorneys say she tried to get Cammarata to agree to postpone the deposition pending the outcome of her appeal but he refused and, "among other things, threatened to seek the assistance of federal marshals to compel Mrs. Cosby's deposition on January 6," according to the motion.

"Accordingly, Mrs. Cosby brings this emergency motion to stay her deposition so that the District Court may have a full opportunity to review the Magistrate's order," they wrote.

Camille had argued that, by law, she shouldn't have to testify against her spouse and be subjected to questions regarding his "sexual proclivities." But in his December 31 decision, Judge Hennessy denied the motion in its entirety, holding that her arguments had "no merit.

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http://www.people.com/article/camille-cosby-files-emergency-motion-delay-deposition

 

[Tulessa]

Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities. Everybody loved him. From comedy to movies to admonishing people to do better. Aside from the fame and the wealth, his public persona was that of an extremely highly respected and honored entertainer. And not just a comedian but an actor with a creative mind who brought Fat Albert and all of the other loveable characters to life. He was endearing and "shucks it's just me" when in public. No one in their right mind would have imagined "who" Cosby really was and what he really did.

But...that's just it. Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities... and that's how he got away with it.

I will be cheering for Andrea Constand from the sidelines. I figure she didn't have "poor judgment" at the time but likelier thought that she was "losing her mind" thinking Cosby was putting the moves on her. After all, no one in their right mind would think that about Cosby... or would they? Way to go Andrea Constand for standing up. I applaud all women who stand up and speak their truth. They know that there will be criticizers and naysayers.

In spite of this, there will always be courageous women like Andrea Constand and thousands more like her. All I can say is that I stand with them.

What a post!!!

 

[ILOKAL]

Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities. Everybody loved him. From comedy to movies to admonishing people to do better. Aside from the fame and the wealth, his public persona was that of an extremely highly respected and honored entertainer. And not just a comedian but an actor with a creative mind who brought Fat Albert and all of the other loveable characters to life. He was endearing and "shucks it's just me" when in public. No one in their right mind would have imagined "who" Cosby really was and what he really did.

But...that's just it. Cosby knew that he was viewed as one of the most "trusted" celebrities... and that's how he got away with it.

I will be cheering for Andrea Constand from the sidelines. I figure she didn't have "poor judgment" at the time but likelier thought that she was "losing her mind" thinking Cosby was putting the moves on her. After all, no one in their right mind would think that about Cosby... or would they? Way to go Andrea Constand for standing up. I applaud all women who stand up and speak their truth. They know that there will be criticizers and naysayers.

In spite of this, there will always be courageous women like Andrea Constand and thousands more like her. All I can say is that I stand with them.

One question, and it's not meant to be snarky, but is there a difference between "their truth" and "the" truth? That just stood out to me.

 

[bluesneakers]

One question, and it's not meant to be snarky, but is there a difference between "their truth" and "the" truth? That just stood out to me.

Not the OP but I would say they are two different things, however their truth is true. IOW speaking your truth doesn't mean you're lying.

 

[ILOKAL]

Not the OP but I would say they are two different things, however their truth is true. IOW speaking your truth doesn't mean you're lying.

Then what's the difference? Most say there are three sides to every story, yada, yada, yada, and only one is "the" truth. So then, what does it mean when one speaks "their" truth as opposed to "the" truth? To me it sounds as though one is based on opinion while the other is based on fact (respectively). It seems to stand out so clearly (to me) that there must be a reason to describe it as "their" truth rather than "the" truth.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

:waitasec: That's odd. I "welcomed" zencompass because his/her post above indicated it was the OP's first. Scratching my head on that one. Weird.

 

[zencompass]

Thank you for the welcome! That was not my first post on Websleuths however it was the first post I made on this thread so that's likely why it indicated a first post. Again, thank you for your kind welcome on this thread. Your postings are always kind and insightful and it is indeed a pleasure to be in your company!

 

[zencompass]

I think that the questions regarding the veracity of the women who are alleging that BC assaulted/sexually exploited/raped them are indicative of the questions that BC's highly paid legal team will pose to them, or try to raise in the public's mind or a jury's mind in the coming months. So, I wondered what advice might be given to women who had been victimized or who would be called as witnesses in crimes which are very, very difficult to prove.

I found an article that some readers might also find interesting from the Women's Justice Center in California. In it was a reminder that the victim in such crimes will be testifying not only against the violence of the crime but also against the personal betrayal of perpetrator. The comments by author Marie de Santis regarding the roles of defence lawyers and of prosecutors are, IMO, very helpful when considering what happens during a trial.

http://justicewomen.com/testifying_tips.html

Thank you Wendiesan for this timely and important information! It is crucial to understand the role of the defence attorneys as well as the impact of negative social reaction as this can lead to survivors feeling "revictimized". I agree that public discourse concerning violence against women can eventually lessen negative social reaction as more women are educated on this vital topic.


Dr. Courtney Ahrens is a Professor of Psychology at the California State University who presents this:

Amazingly enough, many women do find the strength to break this silence and speak out. Nearly two-thirds of all rape survivors disclose the assault to at least one person (Golding, Siegel, Sorenson, Burnam, & Stein, 1989; Fisher, Daigle, Cullen, & Turner, 2003; Ullman & Felipas, 2001; Ullman, 1996a, 1996b, 1996c). But, the consequences of speaking out are not always positive. Numerous studies have documented negative social reactions from significant others and community systems. Negative social reactions from informal support providers encompass both overtly negative reactions such as blaming or doubting victims (Davis, Brickman, & Baker, 1991; Golding et al., 1989; Ullman, 2000) as well as well-intentioned support efforts that are nonetheless experienced as negative (e.g., encouraging secrecy, patronizing behavior)(Herbert & Dunkel-Schetter, 1992; Sudderth, 1998). Anywhere from one-quarter to three-quarters of survivors receive negative social reactions from at least one member of their informal support network (Campbell, Ahrens, Wasco, Sefl, & Barnes, 2001; Golding et al., 1989; McAuslan, 1998; Filipas & Ullman, 2001).





Here is one of her many articles: Being Silenced: The Impact of Negative Social Reactions on the Disclosure of Rape

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1705531/
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[Donjeta]

Another source near the family says the opposite of what the previous source said;

http://www.people.com/article/bill-cosbys-wife-camille-stands-by-him-source-says

Even though Camille Cosby has not made any public comments since her husband's Dec. 30 arrest, the couple remains a united front, a source close to the family tells PEOPLE.

"They remain steadfast and resolute about working through this together," the source says, "and they have every intention of reclaiming their dignity and their name."

The Central Question in the Bill Cosby Criminal Case
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-central-question-in-the-bill-cosby-criminal-case

The legal issue involves the dozens of other women who have also come forward, in recent months, to claim that Cosby sexually assaulted them. In a general way, the claims of the women are broadly consistent. They say that Cosby gave them drugs like Quaaludes to lessen their defenses, and then had sex with them against their will. The legal question is whether the testimony of any or all of these women will be admissible against Cosby in the criminal case in Pennsylvania.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...you-feel-bad-for-him-why-this-con-didnt-work/
Did Bill Cosby’s grandpa sweater make you feel bad for him? Why this con didn’t work.

Cosby could have arrived at that modest courthouse wearing a shirt and tie or a business suit. Instead of being propped up between two lawyers who did not seem to know how to escort a person with impaired vision, he could have moved smoothly through the crowd with the guidance of an experienced aide. Cosby could have grasped their arms — not the other way around. That image would have told a different story.
People would have seen an older man, but one draped in power, status and wealth. They would have seen an aging man who now requires assistance but who still lays claim to confidence and control. Onlookers may not have seen the bare truth, but they might have gotten a glimpse of reality.

Larry Wilmore (incl. some language) : http://www.salon.com/2016/01/05/lar...otherfker_and_neither_did_the_justice_system/

“Wait, is that going to be his defense?” Wilmore asked. “That he couldn’t see what he was doing? ‘Your honor! I thought I was putting creamer in those cappuccinos!'” Wilmore said doing a killer Cosby impression.

 

[zencompass]

May I say with gratitude Donjeta that I read your posts whenever I want to see what's current on this topic.

Thank you so much for the amount of time and effort you generously share with this information. I know I am not the only one who appreciates you!

I am so grateful for all of the posters on this thread as you all show a genuine concern regarding violence against women.

 

[BUF]

Judge Grants Camille Cosby Stay of Deposition in Lawsuit

http://www.necn.com/news/new-englan...to-Delay-Deposition-in-Lawsuit-364233421.html

 

[wendiesan]

In a memorandum supporting the emergency motion, Camille Cosby's attorneys argue, "This Court should stay Mrs. Cosby's deposition while she fully briefs her appeal of the Magistrate's Order."

According to docket records, Camille Cosby's appeal to the judge's ruling against quashing the deposition has not yet been filed.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/05/entertainment/camille-cosby-deposition-feat/

 

[bluesneakers]

Then what's the difference? Most say there are three sides to every story, yada, yada, yada, and only one is "the" truth. So then, what does it mean when one speaks "their" truth as opposed to "the" truth? To me it sounds as though one is based on opinion while the other is based on fact (respectively). It seems to stand out so clearly (to me) that there must be a reason to describe it as "their" truth rather than "the" truth.

Speaking your truth is not lying, so "their" truth is not opposed to "the" truth. It's not instead of and it's not rather than. Two different things, but they exist together. No one is suggesting these women will get on the stand and not tell the truth.