MISTRIAL Bill Cosby -- Charged W/Aggravated Sexual Assault/Other Rape Allegations #5

[Donjeta]

How are rates of sexual assault determined? How are the rape statistics published by the U.S. Department of Justice determined?

Any particular study you have in mind? The DOJ publishes a lot of data that was collected using different methodologies.

 

[ILOKAL]

Any particular study you have in mind? The DOJ publishes a lot of data that was collected using different methodologies.

None in particular. I realize it's difficult to obtain accurate information so I'm interested in knowing how some of the studies have been done. I read about the method used for one of the DOJ studies (I wasn't impressed) so I'm interested in other studies to see how they might compare.

 

[Donjeta]

Some say the police aren't even reporting all the rapes that got reported to the police.

Yung has taught and conducted research in rape and crime law and noticed inconsistencies in the number of rapes reported in a number of cities. Raw numbers of rapes were much lower in some cities than raw numbers of murders, which raised red flags as murder is a less common crime. Yung then learned of media investigations in Baltimore, New Orleans, St. Louis and Philadelphia that documented cases of police departments under-reporting rape statistics.

“Originally I was trying to reconcile why the data was showing such anomalies,” Yung said of the impetus of his paper. “Then I found out about the four cities with documented cases of under-reported rapes, and the more I looked the more red flags there were. There were a number of cities where the numbers didn’t make sense.”

In all, 46 cities, or about 22 percent of the 210 studied police departments responsible for populations of at least 100,000 people, had “substantial irregularities in their rape data, indicating considerable undercounting from 1995 to 2012,” Yung wrote.

“Many people have an incentive for crime to be down on paper,” Yung said of the reason why rape numbers were under-reported.

- See more at: https://news.ku.edu/2014/03/03/law-...cial-us-crime-statistics#sthash.DOZ76PJp.dpuf

Yung’s article states police in the undercounting cities used three difficult-to-detect methods to manipulate rape statistics: Designating complaints as “unfounded,” which required little or no investigation; classifying incidents as a “lesser offense"; and failing to create a written report that a victim made a rape complaint. In addition to the four cities exposed by media reports, Atlanta, Dallas, Milwaukee, Mobile, Ala., Oakland, Calif., and Washington, D.C., submitted statistically dubious rape statistics in 92 of their 108 total reports to the FBI during the study period, Yung wrote. -

 

[Donjeta]

Top 10 Reasons Why He Didn't Do It, continued.

It is our civic duty to back Bill Cosby, so let's just pray instead of finding out the details.

One of the people defending Bill Cosby to this day is Wilmington, Delaware, native Crystal Lambert, who tells me via Facebook that she's been a fan of the comedian "since Mortimer Ichabod Marker and Jello pudding pops." She notes hasn't read the deposition and plans to direct prayer to the situation rather than scrutiny. "We as the public have a civic duty to back a man that gave and taught us so much," she says.

http://www.vice.com/read/talking-to-the-people-who-still-defend-bill-cosby-on-the-internet

Comedian Bill Cosby won't face sexual assault charges in a Pennsylvania courtroom next week as originally planned.

Cosby was initially due to appear in Montgomery County court on Jan. 14 for a preliminary hearing for charges stemming from an alleged attack at his suburban Philadelphia home 12 years ago.

Read more: http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...ery-County-Court-364413541.html#ixzz3wbfkIUzd
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/bill-cosby-not-quizzed-janice-7133904

In November last year it was ruled Cosby could be interrogated by Dickinson's lawyers, but a new ruling has delayed the questioning until after he has the chance to argue why it should be thrown out.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Then what's the difference? Most say there are three sides to every story, yada, yada, yada, and only one is "the" truth. So then, what does it mean when one speaks "their" truth as opposed to "the" truth? To me it sounds as though one is based on opinion while the other is based on fact (respectively). It seems to stand out so clearly (to me) that there must be a reason to describe it as "their" truth rather than "the" truth.

It means to tell for someone to tell their version of what happened and since sexual assault/rape cases involve "he said, she said" the alleged victim tells their story/truth/version of events (just semantics imo). It's based on direct senses/perceptions of what happened at the time/recall, i.e. hypothetically "female had a drink, everything spinning and the last thing remember was male...and felt bruised next morning"..."hypo male well she had a drink, didn't say no, but said yes with her eyes". Jmo/

 

[BirdycatNY]

This one doesn't surprise me

I haven't followed this case real closely but didn't BC have a pretty solid alibi (Chicago) and was not even at the playboy party when this was alleged to have happened.Since there can be no confusion on the dates.

I remember reading this and it could have been pure spin by the BC attorneys but it has been the only report I read so far ( I have not read all of them) that I feel is not completely genuine.

There were other parties at PB mansion that Spring/Summer/Fall and the only thing reported in the news is that DA not pressing charges. It doesn't necessarily mean that CG and BC never encountered one another at a party. Jmo/

 

[magnolia]

Investigators learned Cosby was in New York the weekend of the event at which the woman said Cosby assaulted her. He attended only one party at the Playboy Mansion that year and it was in February, the charge evaluation sheet said.

Also, officials said a woman who Jane Doe No. 2 said could place her at the party told investigators she didn't know the accuser and has never been to the Playboy Mansion.

[video=cnn;us/2016/01/06/bill-cosby-la-district-attorney-no-charges-casarez-brooke-nr.cnn]http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/us/bill-cosby-no-charges-los-angeles/index.html[/video]

 

[zencompass]

I am curious as to how long the postponement on the preliminary hearing is allowed to take.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I am curious as to how long the postponement on the preliminary hearing is allowed to take.

I predict there will be several postponements, multiple motions filed causing delays, etc. before this case goes to trial, if it ends up actually getting to that point. Even though some of Mr. Cosby's feebleness at the courthouse seemed feigned, at his age, he likely has health issues beyond the poor vision. A trial could cause stress on BC and an escalation of current health problems if he has them. Cosby and his legal team might eventually decide that they want to avoid a trial. Who knows what will happen in the coming months? I know the defendant has a right to a speedy trial and the opportunity to present his side of the story, but I don't anticipate the case moving forward quickly. :moo:

 

[AZlawyer]

I am curious as to how long the postponement on the preliminary hearing is allowed to take.

I haven't been following this case, but zencompass asked me to look at this question. Basically, the only limit on delay if it's requested by the defense is the judge's patience.

 

[Chainsaw385]

Investigators learned Cosby was in New York the weekend of the event at which the woman said Cosby assaulted her. He attended only one party at the Playboy Mansion that year and it was in February, the charge evaluation sheet said.

Also, officials said a woman who Jane Doe No. 2 said could place her at the party told investigators she didn't know the accuser and has never been to the Playboy Mansion.

Thanks for this ........I remember seeing a talk show style news segment somewhere that basically stated the same thing.The talking heads on that segment were worried this allegation had to many holes and BC had a very solid alibi that he was not anywhere close to the mansion when the alleged assault took place.Each PB party has a different theme so there should be no confusion over which party it was.

They were also worried this one allegation might cast doubt on others that are much more credible.........which I can fully understand.BC admits to giving powerful drugs to women he wants to have sex with......Admits to fondling a woman he had just drugged.

And some people still give him the benefit of a doubt......let if alone 1 of the 55 allegations turns out to be false.Which this one in particular looks to me like it is false.

Constad's appears to me to be genuine....bolstered by BC's own admissions during his deposition and his willingness to settle with her....I'll bet BC wished he had never said what he did about this settlement which lead to that deposition being unsealed and ultimately charges being filled.I would like to know how much he paid for Constad to go away quietly.

Many wondered why he was not responding to the allegations at all for the longest time......this could be why.
I also wouldn't be surprised if he has made other payoffs.

 

[zencompass]

Thank you AZlawyer. Your answer is appreciated!

 

[ILOKAL]

Do you have any articles that you would like a discussion about?

Here's a very interesting piece, in two parts, which is very recent:

"How to Lie and Mislead with Rape Statistics"

http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/25/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-1/

http://www.datagoneodd.com/blog/2015/01/27/how-to-lie-and-mislead-with-rape-statistics-part-2/

 

[mister happy]

Thanks for this ........I remember seeing a talk show style news segment somewhere that basically stated the same thing.The talking heads on that segment were worried this allegation had to many holes and BC had a very solid alibi that he was not anywhere close to the mansion when the alleged assault took place.Each PB party has a different theme so there should be no confusion over which party it was.

They were also worried this one allegation might cast doubt on others that are much more credible.........which I can fully understand.BC admits to giving powerful drugs to women he wants to have sex with......Admits to fondling a woman he had just drugged.

And some people still give him the benefit of a doubt......let if alone 1 of the 55 allegations turns out to be false.Which this one in particular looks to me like it is false.

Constad's appears to me to be genuine....bolstered by BC's own admissions during his deposition and his willingness to settle with her....I'll bet BC wished he had never said what he did about this settlement which lead to that deposition being unsealed and ultimately charges being filled.I would like to know how much he paid for Constad to go away quietly.

Many wondered why he was not responding to the allegations at all for the longest time......this could be why.
I also wouldn't be surprised if he has made other payoffs.

I had my doubts about Chole Goins for awhile. Now I think Team Cosby will cherry pick her for their PR spin. I have to say, if Chole is indeed fabricating, shame on her for tainting the rest of the accusers.

 

[ILOKAL]

I had my doubts about Chole Goins for awhile. Now I think Team Cosby will cherry pick her for their PR spin. I have to say, if Chole is indeed fabricating, shame on her for tainting the rest of the accusers.

It seems that those who have their doubts about Chloe Goins' story didn't voice those doubts until AFTER BC's alibi was revealed. I'll speak up and say I have doubts about MANY of the stories I have read.

 

[mister happy]

It seems that those who have their doubts about Chloe Goins' story didn't voice those doubts until AFTER BC's alibi was revealed. I'll speak up and say I have doubts about MANY of the stories I have read.

Wasn't it revealed pretty quickly though?

 

[Donjeta]

Chloe Goins stood out from the rest from the start because she was still within the time window to sue which would be a reasonable choice if you're going to make up something for financial gain.

It seems that those who have their doubts about Chloe Goins' story didn't voice those doubts until AFTER BC's alibi was revealed. I'll speak up and say I have doubts about MANY of the stories I have read.

To me, singling people out as "that's the one I don't believe" seems disrespectful and potentially very hurtful and I wouldn't do that if there is nothing concrete to back it up. Lots of these people have suffered a lot over the years for people's disbelief.

I see you're not naming any names either.


http://www.mcall.com/news/nationworld/pennsylvania/mc-pa-bill-cosby-court-date-20160108-story.html

The preliminary hearing for actor and comedian Bill Cosby, accused of drugging and sexually assaulting a woman at his Cheltenham home in 2004, will be held Feb. 2.

 

[Donjeta]

http://time.com/4172794/bill-cosby-childrens-book-my-big-lie/
Bill Cosby Wrote a Children’s Book Called… ‘My Big Lie’

To anyone familiar with the allegations surrounding Bill Cosby, the book is a gold mine of irony. “Hello, friend! I’m Little Bill,” it begins. “Sorry. I can’t play with you now. I have to stay in my room and think about what I did wrong.” In the book, Little Bill lies to his parents about why he was late for dinner: he says he got into a man’s van when really he was playing basketball. When his parents try to call the police, he admits his “big lie.”

It’s eerie, too, that Cosby’s book for children is not just about lying, but about making a false accusation, namely that some creepy man lured him into a van. It shows how much Cosby thinks that false allegations are not only possible, but routine — a fallacy that has been repeatedly debunked by experts. Yet Cosby has repeatedly accused his alleged victims of lying, and in November sued seven of them for defamation.

 

[margarita25]

http://time.com/4172794/bill-cosby-childrens-book-my-big-lie/
Bill Cosby Wrote a Children’s Book Called… ‘My Big Lie’

Rsbm

"In the book, Little Bill lies to his parents about why he was late for dinner: he says he got into a man’s van when really he was playing basketball. When his parents try to call the police, he admits his “big lie.”"

Omg...

 

[Donjeta]

http://time.com/4172773/white-house-bill-cosby-medal-of-freedom/

President Obama will “take a look” at revoking Bill Cosby’s Presidential Medal of Freedom if Congress empowers him to do so, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said.

Arizona Republican Congressman Paul Gosar has introduced a bill to “affirm the power of the president” to revoke Cosby’s medal, ABC reports, after Obama said in July that “there is no precedent for revoking the medal.”