Bill Cosby charged w/aggravated Sexual Assault/other Rape Allegations *conviction vacated* *civil trial 2022 guilty* #6

[Shiressleuth]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2018/04/13/andrea-constand-bill-cosby-retrial-sex-assault-charges/

Constand's testimony today.

 

[MsFacetious]

I agree there seems like there’s a risk of losing the case on appeal. I think the judge allowed it because it shows such a consistent pattern for an extended period of time. Agree it’s risky, tho.

Yeah it's just unusual. Even prior convictions are often not allowed in.
Occasionally uncharged bad acts will come in... say if a guy is charged with one count of rape but the victim says it happened 8 times, they will allow her to testify about all 8 even though they aren't all charged.

I don't ever recall a case like this where other unproven allegations by other accusers were allowed at trial. At sentencing maybe, at trial.... just odd.

 

[Niner]

Monday, April 16th:
*Trial continues (Day 6) (@ 9am ET) - PA - Andrea Constand (31 at the time) (Dec. 2003-Jan. 2004) - Bill Cosby (65 at time of crime/now 80) accused of 3 counts of aggravated indecent assault charges. Pled not guilty; free on bail. Mistrial in June, 2017.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Cosby accuser’s account remains consistent through 2 trials

NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — Andrea Constand told a jury Friday that Bill Cosby, a man she viewed as a friend and mentor, tricked her into taking a powerful drug and then humiliated her for his own sexual gratification.

Confident and composed, Constand testified that she was visiting the “Cosby Show” star at his suburban Philadelphia mansion when he slipped her three blue pills he called “your friends.” She said she thought they were herbal supplements designed to help relieve her stress but they knocked her out. When she awoke, she said, Cosby was violating her.

Constand, 45, gave virtually the same account when she testified at Cosby’s first trial. That trial ended with a hung jury, setting the stage for this week’s courtroom showdown...

https://wildabouttrial.com/featured/cosby-accusers-account-remains-consistent-through-2-trials/

 

[Hatfield]

I'm still confused on the legalities of uncharged/unproven prior bad acts coming in.
I could understand if he settled with all of them, but why are these specific women allowed to testify?
Legally it seems like something that could easily be overturned on appeal unless I'm missing something.

Its a good question.

We would probably need a legal eagle to try to answer why it can be allowed.

Im going to take a guess on this. I really have no idea about the legal part of it though.

Im guessing its at the judges discretion because they are witnesses saying what happened to them directly by the person on the stand. Similar to if another witness in a murder trial said they saw the defendent walking into a house where someone was murdered. The other persons testimony is just that. Testimony from them about what they saw, or in this case, what they say happened to them, and the jury can choose to believe it or not like any other witness.

I always get confused about what is heresay and what is not. I am guessing that this would not be considered heresay because witnesses are testifying directly as to what they are claiming happened to themselves.

Its up to the jury whether they choose to believe the witnesses just like any other witness testimony.

I think the risk in the future would be if the defense can prove later on that any of the witnesses told a mistruth then that would be grounds for an appeal but I think the defense would have to prove they lied on the stand. That will be difficult because so many years ago.

Anyway just guessing about this. Its a good question and wish a legal person could help answer for us.

 

[Rocky1]

Its a good question.

We would probably need a legal eagle to try to answer why it can be allowed.

Im going to take a guess on this. I really have no idea about the legal part of it though.

Im guessing its at the judges discretion because they are witnesses saying what happened to them directly by the person on the stand. Similar to if another witness in a murder trial said they saw the defendent walking into a house where someone was murdered. The other persons testimony is just that. Testimony from them about what they saw, or in this case, what they say happened to them, and the jury can choose to believe it or not like any other witness.

I always get confused about what is heresay and what is not. I am guessing that this would not be considered heresay because witnesses are testifying directly as to what they are claiming happened to themselves.

Its up to the jury whether they choose to believe the witnesses just like any other witness testimony.

I think the risk in the future would be if the defense can prove later on that any of the witnesses told a mistruth then that would be grounds for an appeal but I think the defense would have to prove they lied on the stand. That will be difficult because so many years ago.

Anyway just guessing about this. Its a good question and wish a legal person could help answer for us.

If it is believed that a defendant is involved in a scheme, or a pattern of the crime, the Prosecutor will file a 'Doctrine Of Chances" motion, in which a judge may allow testimony from different victims to show the crime wasn't a one time offense, but rather a pattern of behavior.
I believe the same thing happened in the Torrey green rape case, where although there were separate trials, each victim (7 I believe) was allowed to testify in each others cases.

 

[Niner]

Tuesday, April 17th:
*Trial continues (Day 7) (@ 9am ET) - PA - Andrea Constand (31 at the time) (Dec. 2003-Jan. 2004) - Bill Cosby (65 at time of crime/now 80) accused of 3 counts of aggravated indecent assault charges. Pled not guilty; free on bail. Mistrial in June, 2017.



Haven't seen any articles on what happened yesterday yet.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If it is believed that a defendant is involved in a scheme, or a pattern of the crime, the Prosecutor will file a 'Doctrine Of Chances" motion, in which a judge may allow testimony from different victims to show the crime wasn't a one time offense, but rather a pattern of behavior.
I believe the same thing happened in the Torrey green rape case, where although there were separate trials, each victim (7 I believe) was allowed to testify in each others cases.

Even though Phil Spector was never charged concerning his violent conduct against other women..several of them were allowed to testify in the criminal case where he killed Lana Clarkson, iirc. The Judge allowed it in because it showed same like patterns of behavior he had exhibited toward LC. Thus far his case has held up on appeals.

If BC is convicted I dont believe having numerous witnesses testify to same bad acts will get the case overturned on appeal.

JMO

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Prosecutors in Cosby retrial build to conclusion of case

NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — Prosecutors are building to the conclusion of their case against Bill Cosby with investigators and a pharmaceutical expert expected to take the stand beginning Tuesday in the comedian’s sexual assault retrial.

The prosecution on Monday delivered a searing one-two punch as chief accuser Andrea Constand rejected defense allegations that she concocted her story to score a big payday, and her mother testified that Cosby apologized and called himself a “sick man.”

Andrea and Gianna Constand’s testimony followed that of five additional accusers who told jurors that Cosby had drugged and assaulted them two decades earlier...

https://wildabouttrial.com/featured/prosecutors-in-cosby-retrial-build-to-conclusion-of-case/

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
One of the reasons I am so convinced that BC was guilty of drugging women to take advantage of them was his own admission in his deposition where he admits to giving woman some drug.

Notice that alcohol was always mentioned too and I believe his MO was to start with alcohol and then try to get them to agree to take a drug he happened to have. Most all of us know alcohol will intesify the effect of some drugs. Most all the narcotic type drugs alcohol will intensify it.

One of the drugs mentioned in past disucssions was Qualludes which is a drug that usually had these markings on it. Rorer 714. It was a pretty large white round tablet with those markings. Rorer I think was the manufacturer name.

I think BC shifted to other drugs when he could not get qualludes. They were very hard to obtain because they were tightly controlled and lots of drug abusers in those years were using them. They ended up outlawing them all together because of all the abuse. Similar to how the Opiod epidemic is going on now.

What I was trying to figure out is what the little blue pills he could have used that was in testimony the other day.
I am going to take a guess here and think he used Rohypnol or "roofies" or "rupies" which was one of the first date rape drugs that began to be talked about.

They make a 2mg little Blue color Rohypnol and that would match the description. If she took 3 pills according to testimony then yea that could knock her out mixed with alcohol.

It could have been 10mg Valium too which is also blue in color. The 5mg Valium are yellow but the 10mg are blue.
(remember the Beatles song "mothers little helper" "little yellow pill")

"The drug most commonly used to facilitate sexual assault is alcohol, consumed voluntarily. Practically any drug (administered openly or surreptitiously) that facilitates rape could be considered a date rape drug. Since the mid-1990s, the media and researchers have documented a new form of DFSA featuring date rape drugs such as rohypnol and ketamine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug

https://www.tripsavvy.com/how-to-avoid-date-rape-drugs-3150431

https://www.google.com/search?q=blu...7AkIYQ&biw=1173&bih=483#imgrc=Jd6mjL85Kp0X9M:

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Some Cosby victims mentioned that he gave them Benadryl, an antihistamine that is known to cause drowsiness. Benadryl's primary ingredient is diphenhydramine that is present in OTC pain/sleep aids like Nyquil, Advil PM, Excedrin PM, Tylenol PM, etc. These products carry a specific warning to avoid alcohol as it is likely to promote extreme drowsiness.

I use Benedryl occasionally for allergy symptoms but would never take it during the day, especially if I were going to drive. If I've had a glass or two of wine and take Benedryl, I am out within 30 minutes fftobed:

 

[Hatfield]

Some Cosby victims mentioned that he gave them Benadryl, an antihistamine that is known to cause drowsiness. Benadryl's primary ingredient is diphenhydramine that is present in OTC pain/sleep aids like Nyquil, Advil PM, Excedrin PM, Tylenol PM, etc. These products carry a specific warning to avoid alcohol as it is likely to promote extreme drowsiness.

I use Benedryl occasionally for allergy symptoms but would never take it during the day, especially if I were going to drive. If I've had a glass or two of wine and take Benedryl, I am out within 30 minutes fftobed:

Yes. My Veterinarian explained how I can give a small chunk of 1/4 tablet to my small dog to help him relax and not keep chewing and scratching himself when he had a skin allergy. It always calmed him down where he would sleep and had the extra benefit to keep his skin from itching so much.

The one women testified about the pill being small and blue in color so was trying to figure out what kind of pill that one could have been.

Sure enough some Benedryl is also blue in color. So maybe that was what it was.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ben...eyz8HaAhUHbK0KHQ5lAI4QsAQINA&biw=1173&bih=483

 

[MsJosie]

Yes. My Veterinarian explained how I can give a small chunk of 1/4 tablet to my small dog to help him relax and not keep chewing and scratching himself when he had a skin allergy. It always calmed him down where he would sleep and had the extra benefit to keep his skin from itching so much.

The one women testified about the pill being small and blue in color so was trying to figure out what kind of pill that one could have been.

Sure enough some Benedryl is also blue in color. So maybe that was what it was.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ben...eyz8HaAhUHbK0KHQ5lAI4QsAQINA&biw=1173&bih=483

How about a prescription drug called Atarax or hydroxyzine. 25mg is a blue pill. I was given it for itching because of a reaction to sulfa drug and the itching drove me crazy. 25mg made me tired....so I as told to cut it in half. The next time I had to have it again for an allergy/itching I got a smaller dose which was white. Of course different manufacturers may have different colorings.

https://www.drugs.com/imprints/m-h25-16148.html

I cannot get a picture of the blue pill but the link above shows a picture....all I get are words....if someone can get a screen shot that would be great.

 

[Hatfield]

How about a prescription drug called Atarax or hydroxyzine. 25mg is a blue pill. I was given it for itching because of a reaction to sulfa drug and the itching drove me crazy. 25mg made me tired....so I as told to cut it in half. The next time I had to have it again for an allergy/itching I got a smaller dose which was white. Of course different manufacturers may have different colorings.

https://www.drugs.com/imprints/m-h25-16148.html

I cannot get a picture of the blue pill but the link above shows a picture....all I get are words....if someone can get a screen shot that would be great.

Your link showed it fine to me. It showed the blue color of that pill.

He had lots of options of small blue pills. Valium 10mg, Rohypnol, Benedryl, and now Hydroxyzine all have a BLUE color option.

I do think he had trouble getting his favorite Qualludes. They were very hard to get and especially as the years got into the mid 80s. By then it was almost impossible to get Qualludes. So it makes sense he would have changed to something else.

 

[EuTuCroquet?]

Generic Benadryl (diphenhydramine) pills can be blue, too. It’s a central nervous system depressant. It shouldn’t be taken with alcohol, and can be dangerous if it is.

https://m.cvs.com/drug/benadryl-d-allergy-and-sinus/oral-tablet/25-10mg

https://www.healthline.com/health/allergies/benadryl-alcohol

Cosby admitted (at some point) that he gave someone three Benadryl tablets. IMO, that’s a lot of Benadryl. I would be out like a light. ...

Link to 2017 story: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bu...l-verdict-pills-sex-quaaludes-benadryl-2017-6

From the link:
“Shortly before Andrea Constand says he sexually assaulted her, Bill Cosby passed her three blue pills that he called "friends to help you relax."

Cosby has said in a deposition that the pills were the allergy medication Benadryl.

Prosecutors at his sexual-assault trial on June 9 suggested there was reason to believe the drugs were something else, The Los Angeles Times reported. In testimony given last year, Cosby acknowledged that decades ago he got seven prescriptions for sedative drugs called quaaludes to give to women he wanted to have sex with.

A toxicologist called to testify by prosecutors last week said both drugs could have sedative effects that would make a user feel foggy-headed or sleepy.”

JMO
One of the reasons I am so convinced that BC was guilty of drugging women to take advantage of them was his own admission in his deposition where he admits to giving woman some drug.

Notice that alcohol was always mentioned too and I believe his MO was to start with alcohol and then try to get them to agree to take a drug he happened to have. Most all of us know alcohol will intesify the effect of some drugs. Most all the narcotic type drugs alcohol will intensify it.

One of the drugs mentioned in past disucssions was Qualludes which is a drug that usually had these markings on it. Rorer 714. It was a pretty large white round tablet with those markings. Rorer I think was the manufacturer name.

I think BC shifted to other drugs when he could not get qualludes. They were very hard to obtain because they were tightly controlled and lots of drug abusers in those years were using them. They ended up outlawing them all together because of all the abuse. Similar to how the Opiod epidemic is going on now.

What I was trying to figure out is what the little blue pills he could have used that was in testimony the other day.
I am going to take a guess here and think he used Rohypnol or "roofies" or "rupies" which was one of the first date rape drugs that began to be talked about.

They make a 2mg little Blue color Rohypnol and that would match the description. If she took 3 pills according to testimony then yea that could knock her out mixed with alcohol.

It could have been 10mg Valium too which is also blue in color. The 5mg Valium are yellow but the 10mg are blue.
(remember the Beatles song "mothers little helper" "little yellow pill")

"The drug most commonly used to facilitate sexual assault is alcohol, consumed voluntarily. Practically any drug (administered openly or surreptitiously) that facilitates rape could be considered a date rape drug. Since the mid-1990s, the media and researchers have documented a new form of DFSA featuring date rape drugs such as rohypnol and ketamine."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_rape_drug

https://www.tripsavvy.com/how-to-avoid-date-rape-drugs-3150431

https://www.google.com/search?q=blu...7AkIYQ&biw=1173&bih=483#imgrc=Jd6mjL85Kp0X9M:

ETA: photo

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, April 18th:
*Trial continues (Day 8) (@ 9am ET) - PA - Andrea Constand (31 at the time) (Dec. 2003-Jan. 2004) - Bill Cosby (65 at time of crime/now 80) accused of 3 counts of aggravated indecent assault charges. Pled not guilty; free on bail. Mistrial in June, 2017.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Jury to hear Bill Cosby’s testimony about quaaludes, sex

NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — Jurors could soon hear Bill Cosby’s explosive testimony about giving quaaludes to women before sex — an old admission that’s taken on new significance at the comedian’s sexual assault retrial after a half-dozen women testified that he drugged and violated them.

Prosecutors are expected to read a transcript of the 2005 testimony as early as Wednesday, saving for the very end of their case Cosby’s own words about using the 1970s party drug “the same as a person would say, ‘Have a drink.'”

“Quaaludes happen to be the drug that kids, young people were using to party with, and there were times when I wanted to have them just in case,” Cosby testified in the deposition, given as part of a lawsuit chief accuser Andrea Constand filed against him.

Cosby settled the lawsuit in 2006 for nearly $3.4 million...

https://wildabouttrial.com/featured/jury-to-hear-bill-cosbys-testimony-about-quaaludes-sex/

 

[Hatfield]

Jury to hear Bill Cosby’s testimony about quaaludes, sex

NORRISTOWN, Pa. (AP) — Jurors could soon hear Bill Cosby’s explosive testimony about giving quaaludes to women before sex — an old admission that’s taken on new significance at the comedian’s sexual assault retrial after a half-dozen women testified that he drugged and violated them.

Prosecutors are expected to read a transcript of the 2005 testimony as early as Wednesday, saving for the very end of their case Cosby’s own words about using the 1970s party drug “the same as a person would say, ‘Have a drink.'”

“Quaaludes happen to be the drug that kids, young people were using to party with, and there were times when I wanted to have them just in case,” Cosby testified in the deposition, given as part of a lawsuit chief accuser Andrea Constand filed against him.

Cosby settled the lawsuit in 2006 for nearly $3.4 million...

https://wildabouttrial.com/featured/jury-to-hear-bill-cosbys-testimony-about-quaaludes-sex/

Its really incredible isnt it.

Pretty much admits to wanting to be ready to date rape young girls IMO.

"just in case"

Just in case you managed to get a young girl in your place so you can drug them and have your way with them?

Im sickened by this man. I used to really like him back when I watched his show and before all this news came out. I never would have thought he was this evil.

Although in later years on certain interviews I saw with him I began to see that he became more stern and sarcastic in the interviews and I saw his demeanor change and wondered about him. Then when all this news broke it finally showed him as much different than what the TV showed.

Have to always remind myself that actors are just acting and can be much different in real life than their characters portray.
All JMO

 

[Shiressleuth]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methaqualone

Link to Wikipedia for Quaaludes or Mandrax (Mandies in the UK)

Still available in some countries eg.South Africa and Mexico.

 

[Niner]

From the article posted by BDE #97:

Prosecutors won the right to introduce it at his retrial on charges he drugged and molested her at his suburban Philadelphia home. The deposition also was included at Cosby’s first trial, which ended with a hung jury last year.

I did not realize they used it in the first trial... hoping it is not a hung jury THIS time!!

Again - :tyou: for all the articles!

and we continue.....

Thursday, April 19th:
*Trial continues (Day 9) (@ 9am ET) - PA - Andrea Constand (31 at the time) (Dec. 2003-Jan. 2004) - Bill Cosby (65 at time of crime/now 80) accused of 3 counts of aggravated indecent assault charges. Pled not guilty; free on bail. Mistrial in June, 2017.