BLUE VAN:Investigation**REVISITED**

[kant]

Ya know...much as I hate to say it....but I think the cousin is totally unrelated to all of it. I could be wrong. It's possible...and we do not know...that when the police questioned the cousin and he admitted that "yeah I took the van" and he gave an accounting as to where he was at with the van and the investigators went and verified where he was. So he may not have ANYTHING to do with the missing status of Haleigh.

I think now I am more convinced than ever that the "black man" that JR said he saw (of which I believe he stated that)...is the man that Misty had over the house that evening. Haleigh would not have gone off with strangers or let anyone strange pick her up from a middle of sleep without fighting and screaming. Did you see the pics of her on first day of school? She was dragged kicking and screaming. That child was afraid of new people, new places and the dark. And a child that intimidated would not sleep through being picked up and relocated. No, I believe she knew who she was going off with and who is to say she was even put to bed at 8pm anyhow? Whoever took her could have taken her right out the door at 8:15 pm and she wasn't even asleep at all.

I got the same vibe, Lavanda Dolce, from the cousin. I can't see him being directly involved with whatever happened to Haleigh. Also, his name seemed to have come up in a red-herring-esque, after-thought sort of way from Misty, imo as a sort of deliberate mis-direction.

I guess it's not impossible that the cousin could have perhaps "removed" some thing or things for Ron and/or Misty or at Ron's behest; but even that seems sort of unlikely unless the gain far, far out-weighed the risk for him.

 

[lakelandladi]

I got the same vibe, Lavanda Dolce, from the cousin. I can't see him being directly involved with whatever happened to Haleigh. Also, his name seemed to have come up in a red-herring-esque, after-thought sort of way from Misty, imo as a sort of deliberate mis-direction.

I guess it's not impossible that the cousin could have perhaps "removed" some thing or things for Ron and/or Misty or at Ron's behest; but even that seems sort of unlikely unless the gain far, far out-weighed the risk for him.

I have the feeling that JO is not involved as well, now. But JO was given as a possible suspect to LE the first night so it was not just some after thought by Misty.
I think the family did believe it was the cousin...with good reason...gave the info to LE. Misty let it slip to media which made it seem like it was just reported but LE confiscated the van that first night so they had to have been told about the circumstances that first night as well.

 

[txsleuth]

IMO, cousin Joe is *the* prime suspect in Haleigh's disappearance...and from the most recent news about the van, police have not eliminated him as a suspect.

He had the motive (with the argument about the gun,) he had the means (access to the family van in the middle of the night,) and he had the opportunity. He also hightailed it back to Tennessee immediately after.

I also believe that law enforcement or the FBI is monitoring his myspace site. I rarely ever use myspace...have no real profile or friends on there...and I sent a message to cousin Joe a couple of days ago. He still hasn't logged in since 3/8/09. However, I then received 2 messages from someone wanting to know if I knew Joe....very strange. Apparently, they read my message to him.

I'm extremely curious by what means Joe returned to Tennessee....did he have a vehicle of his own....did someone else pick him up....or did he take a bus.

 

[txsleuth]

I received a myspace message from Chelsea C. regarding the scratch on the van:

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I received a myspace message from Chelsea C. regarding the scratch on the van:

No one can stop you from contacting a 'Case Player', however, posting their reply/information without their permission is something else.

If any 'Case Player' joins us on this Board fine, but it's up to them to share information and not ours to relay it.

You may want to review this thread about contacting 'Case Players'
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80311

 

[txsvicki]

I wonder if LE has checked out Misti and Joe's cell phone records that night and since.

 

[Scorpian]

WTH!?!?!? :furious:

...and they "questioned"...not arrested the cousin? :furious::furious:

I'm mean geez-o-Pete! His flight from the area alone was enough to generate reasonable suspicion. :devil:

Alright already...charge his a$$ and lets get me some Sunshine-action goin'! Not to mention some honest-pressure on some peeps to start talkin'

....I'm just beside myself... :slap:

Hey Bond!!!!!:woohoo:

I've been wondering when you would appear here......Please stay and help with the sleuthing...you are great...I love your sensibility (sp?) I :blowkiss: your appearance here means there will be some doc dumps or major info...Just wishful thinking..................Love your in sight into things....hope you get this going in a new direction..................finding Haleigh.....sleuthing....:woohoo:

If you've been on the Haleigh forum before and I missed it please accept my apologies, I just haven't seen you...but sooooo glad you are here....:clap:

Just want to add, your appearance does not mean any doc dumps........Just to clarify.

 

[BondJamesBond]

Hey Bond!!!!!

I've been wondering when you would appear here......Please stay and help with the sleuthing...

*snipped*

Hey, Scorpian. I appreciate the kinds words. I was in the thick of this one in the beginning...until it became clear that we weren't gonna get any charges for awhile and information ran thin. Since then I've just been watching it outta the corner of my eye and contacting a few of the other WS's that are augering into this one and doing some fantastic work BTW, IMHO.

As I understand it, which is in large part what set me off yesterday, is that there will be no "doc dump" unless/until someone is charged. I've been wrong plenty of times before...so someone can correct me. IOW, in Caylee's case, Casey was charged w/ neglect almost immediately, hence, The Sunshine Law kicked in and we were able to get info...at least that which was not deemed to be critical to the active part of the investigation. Haleigh's case (bless her heart ) is playing out much differently. I have faith that LE continues to develop their case and they're just holding all the cards close to their vest. In one respect it seems to have kept everyone from 'lawyerin' up'. So...we'll see.

My apologies for blowin' steam yesterday.

RE: Van...IMHO, playing out scenarios that put Misty's blanket in there the same night that Haleigh went missing, the van was moved, and the cousin left town IIRC...well...its just 4 things converging at once that spell trouble.

That, and the little detail of Misty saying the back door was wide open when the media showed us that even the solid door will swing shut on its own when left unattended:waitasec: Somethin's not right.

OT...but methinks Misty and her cousin are in up to their [fill in the blank]s.

 

[titanfan62702]

In another thread, I read about a mystery truck in the middle of the night but have not been about been able to find out more. In the dark, could the "truck" actually have been the van?

Also, when was Misty (Haleigh's) blanket removed from the van? I thought that was one of the items that Misty claimed to have washed?

Regarding "cousin" -- I heard that he was cleared by whoever talked to him in Tennessee, but may he was only cleared to physically having Haleigh.

 

[Donjeta]

Also, when was Misty (Haleigh's) blanket removed from the van? I thought that was one of the items that Misty claimed to have washed?

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The first version I heard was that she had to take another blanket (doubling as a curtain?) off a window and wash it for her use because hers was still in the van.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

I'm willing to bet you're 100% correct. I believe the comments from Chelsea was edited and its possible she even stated my sister in law Lindsey, she called me and said "Please tell me that you're the one who xxxx"......the report was most probably written AFTER the video editing was done and that is why the confusion.

CLARIFICATION FROM MATT, THE REPORTER:

Chelsea said to me Misty was the one who called her the night Haleigh was taken and said, "Please tell me you're the one that put the scratches in my van". So it was Misty, not Lindsey.

 

[Donjeta]

Thanks a lot for asking

 

[lakelandladi]

CLARIFICATION FROM MATT, THE REPORTER:

Chelsea said to me Misty was the one who called her the night Haleigh was taken and said, "Please tell me you're the one that put the scratches in my van". So it was Misty, not Lindsey.

You know that makes absolutely no sense since it was Lindseys van and Misty was with LE, reporters, family and I am sure LE had already taken both Ron and Misty's phones.

I wish Lindsey or Chelsea would/could confirm who called who and if it was Misty why would she refer to the van as "hers".

Thanks for your hard work on this Lavanda.

 

[fortytwo]

*snipped*

Hey, Scorpian. I appreciate the kinds words. I was in the thick of this one in the beginning...until it became clear that we weren't gonna get any charges for awhile and information ran thin. Since then I've just been watching it outta the corner of my eye and contacting a few of the other WS's that are augering into this one and doing some fantastic work BTW, IMHO.

As I understand it, which is in large part what set me off yesterday, is that there will be no "doc dump" unless/until someone is charged. I've been wrong plenty of times before...so someone can correct me. IOW, in Caylee's case, Casey was charged w/ neglect almost immediately, hence, The Sunshine Law kicked in and we were able to get info...at least that which was not deemed to be critical to the active part of the investigation. Haleigh's case (bless her heart ) is playing out much differently. I have faith that LE continues to develop their case and they're just holding all the cards close to their vest. In one respect it seems to have kept everyone from 'lawyerin' up'. So...we'll see.

My apologies for blowin' steam yesterday.

RE: Van...IMHO, playing out scenarios that put Misty's blanket in there the same night that Haleigh went missing, the van was moved, and the cousin left town IIRC...well...its just 4 things converging at once that spell trouble.

That, and the little detail of Misty saying the back door was wide open when the media showed us that even the solid door will swing shut on its own when left unattended:waitasec: Somethin's not right.

OT...but methinks Misty and her cousin are in up to their [fill in the blank]s.

(bold above by me)

A point to add to complicate an already complicated set of circumstances. My apologies.

If a concrete block was indeed involved in propping open the back door it could have just as easily propped open both screen and solid doors as either one.

I wonder if this might explain the conundrum of LE returning after clearing the scene to collect the screen door, and only the screen door. This has continued to puzzle me.

Do we know if LE actually saw the door(s?) propped open for themselves, or were they only reporting what they had been told about the scene once they arrived?

Could it be that they wanted to inspect the screen door more closely to determine if scratches or some other evidence might reveal more closely the exact placement of a block?

So far I have been unable to develop a scenario which would account for the delayed confiscation of only the screen door, or to think of what sort of evidence they might have decided they could obtain from off-site study that they could not have already acquired in situ during the lengthy investigation of the scene.

 

[kikid]

(bold above by me)

A point to add to complicate an already complicated set of circumstances. My apologies.

If a concrete block was indeed involved in propping open the back door it could have just as easily propped open both screen and solid doors as either one.

I wonder if this might explain the conundrum of LE returning after clearing the scene to collect the screen door, and only the screen door. This has continued to puzzle me.

Do we know if LE actually saw the door(s?) propped open for themselves, or were they only reporting what they had been told about the scene once they arrived?

Could it be that they wanted to inspect the screen door more closely to determine if scratches or some other evidence might reveal more closely the exact placement of a block?

So far I have been unable to develop a scenario which would account for the delayed confiscation of only the screen door, or to think of what sort of evidence they might have decided they could obtain from off-site study that they could not have already acquired in situ during the lengthy investigation of the scene.

I had suspected that the delay was because whatever they wanted which was on the door had been placed there AFTER they released the trailer. This could be someone's fingerprints or to do touch dna testing. ?? My thoughts were that perhaps someone in or close to the family (or landlord) hadn't been tested or they couldn't get (or didn't want to get as to not tip their hand) a subpoena for a particular person??

 

[BondJamesBond]

(bold above by me)
If a concrete block was indeed involved in propping open the back door it could have just as easily propped open both screen and solid doors as either one.

I wonder if this might explain the conundrum of LE returning after clearing the scene to collect the screen door, and only the screen door. This has continued to puzzle me.

Do we know if LE actually saw the door(s?) propped open for themselves, or were they only reporting what they had been told about the scene once they arrived?
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*snipped*

My apologies for driving things OT. Lemme see if I can course correct...

Dunno, 42. Perhaps there is a "door" thread. I'm sure I'm weeks behind the current thinking on this. But, FWIW, IIRC, the NG producer demonstrated the solid door shutting on its own volition..and the solid door swung IN whilst the screen door swung OUT. Hence, a single block would typically be in a position to hold both open (not impossible...improbable IMHO).

ETA: IIRC, it is only from Misty's statement that we hear that the back door was wide open...to which I must acknowledge that this reference coulda been a legit reference to the screen door alone, but, would be a bit suspect since you wouldn't 'see' the screen door propped open if the back door was closed.

Misty's on-camera comment that her (from Misty and Ron's bed) blanket was in "the van that they took" all synch's up w/ "they" being LE and the van being the communal, scratched mini-van.

 

[BondJamesBond]

If you will take note of police report, Misty stated she ran around the house and noticed the back door propped. It sounds to me she didn't notice the door until after she found Haleigh missing. Correct me if I read it wrong. I realize this again would indicate a"change in story" to some, but feel the chronological order of the events that night that have been stated over the last 5 weeks have been jumbled. IMOO I feel the inconsistencies that are being picked apart is because we have not pieced all said chain of events in their true order.

*snipped*

Thanks, TM! That does explain some things for me.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Some posts are getting off the topic of this thread and deal with other thread discussions.

How Did the Side Door Get Opened???
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79850

Theories on what happened to Haleigh
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79856

 

[txsleuth]

You know that makes absolutely no sense since it was Lindseys van and Misty was with LE, reporters, family and I am sure LE had already taken both Ron and Misty's phones.

I wish Lindsey or Chelsea would/could confirm who called who and if it was Misty why would she refer to the van as "hers".

Thanks for your hard work on this Lavanda.

The van belonged to Lindsy (who lives on Tyler St.) Chelsea had borrowed the van because her vehicle had been hit by a drunk driver. Cousin Joe stayed at Chelsea's home the night in question. Misty phoned Chelsea to tell them that Haleigh was missing. When Chelsea went out to get in the van she noticed it was parked differently. (She didn't notice the scratch.) Later Chelsea returned the van to Lindsy. Lindsy noticed the scratch and phoned Chelsea and said please tell me that you're the one who scratched my van....and Chelsea said she had not. That's when they surmised that cousin Joe had taken the van at Chelsea's house during the night.

 

[Lavanda Dolce]

You know that makes absolutely no sense since it was Lindseys van and Misty was with LE, reporters, family and I am sure LE had already taken both Ron and Misty's phones.

I wish Lindsey or Chelsea would/could confirm who called who and if it was Misty why would she refer to the van as "hers".

Thanks for your hard work on this Lavanda.

Personally, I believe Matt misunderstood and that Chelsea meant that Lindsey phoned her and said "please tell me that you're the one that put the scratch in my van"........... sigh. At least that is what I'm pretty sure occured.