Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

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I don't think the Saget family wants to hide anything. I think the issue is with photos, any video of a body examination or notes. Really I think they don't want to have that kind of stuff plastered all over the news-- played a thousand times over. I also think that even with more information (without visuals) that is released the public desire to know it all will keep people speculating. It is hard to lose a parent in any circumstance but to have people conjecturing and analyzing about your father's choices, actions, or health is excruciating.
 
Mica said:
IMO, the majority of headboards at the hotel look fully padded. The exception is in the Residential Suites. Two beds have headboards that appear padded and framed in thin wood. They look attached to the wall.

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Aren't the "headboards" nailed to the wall in Hotels???
They aren't attached to the bed frame like they would be in someone's home are they?
I would bet they are 100% nailed to the wall. Too much of a liability not to be.
Anyone have a link to a similar room?
Moo
Headboards hogwash! Moo
 
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kaen said:
I don't think the Saget family wants to hide anything. I think the issue is with photos, any video of a body examination or notes. Really I think they don't want to have that kind of stuff plastered all over the news-- played a thousand times over. I also think that even with more information (without visuals) that is released the public desire to know it all will keep people speculating. It is hard to lose a parent in any circumstance but to have people conjecturing and analyzing about your father's choices, actions, or health is excruciating.
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I agree. They likely don't want photos of the body released and so on. It doesn't mean they want to cover up something unsavory. Although I still don't get how he managed to sustain such severe injuries in a hotel room.
 
Mica said:
Here are some photos of the different headboards in the hotel rooms/suites that appear to contain wood. I don’t see how he could have such head damage from any of these headboards. IMO

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It's a lovely property. From personal experience with this hotel, Suites are inspired by luxury residences and IMO, no rooms are more frequently remodeled than the executive suites. I also don't think the hotel website photos are representative of all the rooms available at the property. In other words, I have no doubt John Doe booking a room off of their website can expect a room similar to the web photo. Other rooms do not need to be advertised, and the photos are not on the website. JMO.
 
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Seattle1 said:
It's a lovely property. From personal experience with this hotel, Suites are inspired by luxury residences and IMO, no rooms are more frequently remodeled than the executive suites. I also don't think the hotel website photos are representative of all the rooms available at the property. In other words, I have no doubt John Doe booking a room off of their website can expect a room similar to the web photo. Other rooms do not need to be advertised, and the photos are not on the website. JMO.
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Yeah, I agree. It has been a long time, but I've stayed at the property. I would suspect a slip and fall in the bathroom which is all marble vs a headboard incident.
 
leilarose68 said:
Pretty sure ER docs and neurosurgeons operate on people with these fractures and are well aware of what's survivable and what's not. Neurosurgeons deal with fractures constantly; one can argue they have more experience with fractures than forensic pathologists who do not exclusively focus on the skull and brain. Neurosurgeons are far more experienced in matters of the brain than forensic pathologists.

And I've seen multiple forensic pathologists also say that the situation doesn't make sense-- one in particular is Dr. Cyril Wecht.
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With all due respect and not trying to be rude, but ER doctors should be the last MD's commenting as they are NOT specialists, only in Emergency Medicine. Appreciate what you all bring to the table but we need to be certain we are as accurate as possible with statements which is why I linked more information. See all below:

ER docs are very limited in what they can do and are not surgeons.
See link w/description of their responsibilities and capabilities:Emergency Medicine | HospitalCareers.com

Emergency physicians are trained in the important emergency medicine rule, i.e., “Rule out the worst case scenario.”

Using this rule, the physician must determine if a patient’s symptoms may be caused by a serious medical condition.

If a patient presents to the emergency department in distress, the emergency physician may be expected to perform any of the following procedures:

  • Collecting medical histories

  • Thoroughly examining patients

  • Drawing conclusions and order tests

  • Deciding on appropriate courses of treatment

  • Emergency resuscitation

  • Placing intravenous lines

  • Taking whatever steps are necessary to stabilize the patient for transport to another area of the hospital or transport to another hospital

  • Effectively treating less serious injuries, such as broken bones or lacerations.

  • Determining if patients need to be admitted to the hospital for further evaluation

  • Deciding whether

  • Discharging some patients with instructions for self-treatment and follow-up with their personal care physician for additional evaluation on an outpatient basis.

Neurosurgeons, a whole different ball game. Neurosurgeons are medical doctors that diagnose and treat conditions related to the brain, spine, and other parts of your nervous system. They differ from neurologists in that they’re specifically trained and certified in the use of surgical treatments, whereas neurologists focus on other forms of treatment.

NEUROSURGEONS:

Link to webmd: What Is a Neurosurgeon?

****Cyril Wecht and other forensic pathologists would be the most qualified to make educated statements as to BS's death investigation.

What is a Forensic Pathologist?

The forensic pathologist is a subspecialist in pathology whose area of special competence is the examination of persons who die suddenly, unexpectedly or violently. The forensic pathologist is an expert in determining cause and manner of death.

The forensic pathologist is specially trained: to perform autopsies to determine the presence or absence of disease, injury or poisoning; to evaluate historical and law-enforcement investigative information relating to manner of death; to collect medical evidence, such as trace evidence and secretions, to document sexual assault; and to reconstruct how a person received injuries.

Training
Forensic pathologists are trained in multiple forensic sciences as well as traditional medicine. Other areas of science that the forensic pathologist must have a working knowledge of toxicology, firearms examination (wound ballistics), trace evidence, forensic serology and DNA technology.

The forensic pathologist acts as the case coordinator for the medical and forensic scientific assessment of a given death, making sure that the appropriate procedures and evidence collection techniques are applied to the body.

When forensic pathologists are employed as death investigators they bring their expertise to bear upon the interpretation of the scene of death, in the assessment of the time of death, of the consistency of witnesses’ statements with injuries, and the interpretation of injury patterns or patterned injuries. In jurisdictions where there are medical examiner systems, forensic pathologists are usually employed to perform autopsies to determine cause and manner of death.

Love you all and JMO:)
 
Seattle1 said:
It's a lovely property. From personal experience with this hotel, Suites are inspired by luxury residences and IMO, no rooms are more frequently remodeled than the executive suites. I also don't think the hotel website photos are representative of all the rooms available at the property. In other words, I have no doubt John Doe booking a room off of their website can expect a room similar to the web photo. Other rooms do not need to be advertised, and the photos are not on the website. JMO.
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Same here Seattle, I have been to hotel many times (JW Marriott property right next door) and would agree with your assessment. I am a local (40 minutes from property) and the hotel is lovely. Just very sad this tragedy has happened there!

JMO
 
wyome said:
I'm just jumping in, and haven't read the whole thread. But has it been determined why he drove 2 hrs. to Orlando when his venue was in Jacksonville? Was he flying out of Orlando early the next morning?
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Darn -- he's show calendar is still up but it's now in Feb and the January 2022 date/locations no longer showing. I do think it's likely he was departing for Orlando.

Bob Saget | Dirty Daddy
 
gngr~snap said:
Aren't the "headboards" nailed to the wall in Hotels???
They aren't attached to the bed frame like they would be in someone's home are they?
I would bet they are 100% nailed to the wall. Too much of a liability not to be.
Anyone have a link to a similar room?
Moo
Headboards hogwash! Moo
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Agreed, there is no way the headboard caused fractures to the front and back of his head.
There's also the Freedom of Information Act that can be filed ?

This case is somewhat reminiscent of the Bob Crane case.
Imo.
 
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Seattle1 said:
It's a lovely property. From personal experience with this hotel, Suites are inspired by luxury residences and IMO, no rooms are more frequently remodeled than the executive suites. I also don't think the hotel website photos are representative of all the rooms available at the property. In other words, I have no doubt John Doe booking a room off of their website can expect a room similar to the web photo. Other rooms do not need to be advertised, and the photos are not on the website. JMO.
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I appreciate your feedback. I agree, there may be rooms available that are not shown on their website. However, I was taken to the link from a page about the recent multimillion redesign of the rooms which the article stated was to be completed by February 2021. IMO, the photos of the rooms are current. I suspect any rooms that may not be shown on the website would be of the same decor style of modern cushioned headboards with little to no wood trim.
 
Mica said:
I appreciate your feedback. I agree, there may be rooms available that are not shown on their website. However, I was taken to the link from a page about the recent multimillion redesign of the rooms which the article stated was to be completed by February 2021. IMO, the photos of the rooms are current. I suspect any rooms that may not be shown on the website would be of the same decor style of modern cushioned headboards with little to no wood trim.
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From the photos :
Padded, cushioned headboards.

Because some people like to sit up in bed for a while on their laptops or tablets ?
So .. comfy and no hard or sharp edges ?
Is that a tan or white leather on the headboards ?
Designed so that people don't injure themselves.
And Bob was an adult; he wasn't jumping on that bed.

Was the headboard or any other surfaces in the room/bathroom tested for 'cleaned' areas ?
LE are by nature of their occupation a nosey bunch.
Did they treat the room as a possible crime scene ?
Imo.
 
LietKynes said:
Agreed, there is no way the headboard caused fractures to the front and back of his head.
There's also the Freedom of Information Act that can be filed ?

This case is somewhat reminiscent of the Bob Crane case.
Imo.
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FOIA is a Federal law. In FL we have the Sunshine Law. Most documents are available in FL but there are exceptions and I expect the scene photos and autopsy photos to be sealed in this case.
 
LietKynes said:
From the photos :
Padded, cushioned headboards.

Because some people like to sit up in bed for a while on their laptops or tablets ?
So .. comfy and no hard or sharp edges ?
Is that a tan or white leather on the headboards ?
Designed so that people don't injure themselves.
And Bob was an adult; he wasn't jumping on that bed.

Was the headboard or any other surfaces in the room/bathroom tested for 'cleaned' areas ?
LE are by nature of their occupation a nosey bunch.
Did they treat the room as a possible crime scene ?
Imo.
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I don't think the room was treated as a possible crime scene. They didn't even realize Bob had head trauma. It was assumed he died from a stroke or a heart attack. Room looked neat, nothing disturbed, he was in bed, with not visible signs of trauma. So it was believed to be a natural cause, not even an accident, until autopsy.
 
LietKynes said:
Agreed, there is no way the headboard caused fractures to the front and back of his head.
There's also the Freedom of Information Act that can be filed ?

This case is somewhat reminiscent of the Bob Crane case.
Imo.
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Right? He'd have to be Jumping on a trampoline or "levitating" sideways in that room!
Just scanning over his life, so sad...
His baby twin brothers died and he lost his sister in 1994. I remember him speaking of her on more than one occasion!
Of note, did he die on his sister's 75th birthday? Or the day after, I guess since it was past midnight.
I'm not going to speculate any further, than to say, nothing is adding up, because the truth has yet to be told.
I hope and pray his "Tanner" family get the truth they deserve.
It seems his wife and daughters already know.
I really don't need to know the specifics, but, I get it. Don't insult people's intelligence with tales that are so easily proven to be untrue.
Why sue the state of Florida when the grizzly details have already been released!
I don't think any of us want to see photos.
We've got the picture.
Moo
 
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