Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

[BeginnerSleuther]

An enlarged heart is very common in adults and many/most times causes no symptoms.
Bob Saget’s Autopsy Report Describes Severe Skull Fractures

Yes, I know. I'm talking about the enlarged heart with 95% blockage. An enlarged heart by itself may not cause symptoms, but the 95% blockage is what I'm referring to with the enlarged heart.

 

[Herat]

Yes, I know. I'm talking about the enlarged heart with 95% blockage. An enlarged heart by itself may not cause symptoms, but the 95% blockage is what I'm referring to with the enlarged heart.

His autopsy reports a right coronary artery-dominant system so I don't think the high grade stenosis in the LCA is a likely cause of problems.

But that's my opinion.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Re: Natasha Richardson. As said above, that was a different kind of damage to the brain. That particular type of brain bleed is known for "talk and die." The type that Saget suffered is different. It is possible he could still be able to talk after one of those injuries, but will all those injuries, I think it would be unlikely. As there was also no indication of vomiting and he didn't call for help, I think he likely became unconscious very quickly. All his injuries are commonly seen in trauma (not usually all at the same time) like accidents, falls, and IIRC, even shaken baby syndrome. I don't think we'll ever know exactly how this happened and I hope they've investigated thoroughly to rule out foul play, but I believe the forensic pathologists that this is likely a posterior fall.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

His autopsy reports a right coronary artery-dominant system so I don't think the high grade stenosis in the LCA is a likely cause of problems.

But that's my opinion.

Thanks. I didn't read the whole thing. I was just throwing things out there as reasons for a fall, but that makes sense.

 

[GeorgiaRai]

I found this brief interesting discussion about epidural ( and subdural) hematomas in a discussion about Natasha Richardson's death.

"Talk and Die Syndrome
Symptoms don't always emerge right away after an injury like Richardson's—sometimes called "Talk and Die Syndrome"—making it difficult to determine the right response. "'Talk and Die Syndrome' refers to a lucid interval before a person begins to lose consciousness after a brain injury," says Douglas I. Katz, M.D., associate professor of neurology at Boston University School of Medicine and medical director of the brain injury programs at Braintree Rehabilitation Hospital in Braintree, MA. "The person may appear fine initially because the mass of blood in the head is expanding and there isn't too much pressure on the brain yet," he says.

If the bleeding continues, the amount of blood may become large enough to put pressure on the brain, according to Rolland S. Parker, Ph.D., a neuropsychologist in private practice in New York, NY, and adjunct professor of clinical neurology at New York University School of Medicine. "Eventually the blood clot may be large enough to interfere with oxygen entering the brain, pressing upon areas that create heartbeats and breathing," Dr. Parker explains."

We still don't know when and how the impact occurred in Mr. Sagert's case, but this Talk and Die Syndrome interval does make sense to how he was found, perhaps 12 hours after the accident. And he either didn't think it was serious enough to call for help, or was rapidly obtunded from the increased intracranial pressure.

It was widely reported that Natasha was not in pain initially and felt fine for a couple hours after her skiing incident. Given the extent of Mr. Saget's skull fractures, my question is... how could he have "felt fine" for any amount of time - even just long enough to get up from a fall and put himself to bed? I don't know if Natasha's autopsy info was ever released, but I'd be interested to know how their injuries compare.

I understand both incidents could lead to a very similar brain bleed and death; it's the interim that doesn't seem comparable to me. Can you fracture the back of your skull and your eye socket bones and not realize you're badly hurt?

 

[GeorgiaRai]

Re: Natasha Richardson. As said above, that was a different kind of damage to the brain. That particular type of brain bleed is known for "talk and die." The type that Saget suffered is different. It is possible he could still be able to talk after one of those injuries, but will all those injuries, I think it would be unlikely. As there was also no indication of vomiting and he didn't call for help, I think he likely became unconscious very quickly. All his injuries are commonly seen in trauma (not usually all at the same time) like accidents, falls, and IIRC, even shaken baby syndrome. I don't think we'll ever know exactly how this happened and I hope they've investigated thoroughly to rule out foul play, but I believe the forensic pathologists that this is likely a posterior fall.

If I wasn't such a slow poster, I would've seen this and not needed to add my last comment! You said it all very well.

 

[WillenFan21]

As someone who grew up with Full House I have to say that Bob's death was so shocking and hard for me. I'm 37 years old and Full House was it for me growing up & the girls on the show who played his daughters are close in age to me.

A) The Orlando Police Department did not immediately return CNN's request for comment. (Bob Saget had Covid-19 and died as a result of blunt head trauma, according to autopsy report - CNN)
B) Why did it take a month to discover he died from a massive head injury
C) Why did it take 12 hours to find a man in his hotel room?
Saget was found unresponsive in his room by hotel staff at about 4 p.m. Eastern Standard Time

I personally think they've known and waited to release the details to the public so that his friends and family could grieve his shocking loss. As I'm sure learning the COD was a head injury was very difficult for all that knew him. It would explain why the Full House cast has taken it so hard. Especially John Stamos whom you can tell was real torn up in the beginning about it.

My conclusions:

1. There is more to the story than has been released.

2. The family knows more details and has chosen not to release more to the public.

3. Speculation will continue because further information will not be released.

YMMV MOO

I disagree. I think they'd come out with it if it was foul play suspected becuase his cast mates esp with Full/Fuller House would no doubt be screaming for justice for him.

 

[IceIce9]

As someone who grew up with Full House I have to say that Bob's death was so shocking and hard for me. I'm 37 years old and Full House was it for me growing up & the girls on the show who played his daughters are close in age to me.



I personally think they've known and waited to release the details to the public so that his friends and family could grieve his shocking loss. As I'm sure learning the COD was a head injury was very difficult for all that knew him. It would explain why the Full House cast has taken it so hard. Especially John Stamos whom you can tell was real torn up in the beginning about it.



I disagree. I think they'd come out with it if it was foul play suspected becuase his cast mates esp with Full/Fuller House would no doubt be screaming for justice for him.

I didn’t say foul play. I was thinking more in line with misadventure.

 

[LietKynes]

My conclusions:

1. There is more to the story than has been released.

2. The family knows more details and has chosen not to release more to the public.

3. Speculation will continue because further information will not be released.

YMMV MOO

Was he alone in his room or did he have friends over ?
By now LE should know who came and left from his room.
Multiple skull fractures on the front and back of his head do not sound like an accidental fall ; imo.

 

[taylorss]

What are “eye socket bones” that were fractured?

 

[IceIce9]

What are “eye socket bones” that were fractured?

Eye socket bones = orbits or orbital bones

 

[LietKynes]

Eye socket bones = orbits or orbital bones

Yes, I was thinking supraorbital ridge ?
If he fell, wouldn't he have automatically raised his hands or arms to protect his face ?
So, did someone strike him with something ?
If this occurred the way msm states, he was tucked into bed for the night when found -- I assume beneath the blanket and sheets ?
So, he had the presence of mind-- albeit after being injured -- to get into the hotel bed ?
I thought I'd read that he was found in his street clothes, as in -- not in nighttime attire.
Will go back and re-read to see if this was in msm.
MOO.

Whatever happened, rest in peace, Mr. Saget.
My utmost condolences to all who loved him.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Yes, I was thinking supraorbital ridge ?
If he fell, wouldn't he have automatically raised his hands or arms to protect his face ?
So, did someone strike him with something ?
If this occurred the way msm states, he was tucked into bed for the night when found -- I assume beneath the blanket and sheets ?
So, he had the presence of mind-- albeit after being injured -- to get into the hotel bed ?
I thought I'd read that he was found in his street clothes, as in -- not in nighttime attire.
Will go back and re-read to see if this was in msm.
MOO.

Whatever happened, rest in peace, Mr. Saget.
My utmost condolences to all who loved him.

The orbital roof and frontal bone fractures were the result of a contrecoup type injury, not him falling forward. He fell backwards and hit his head so hard that it caused the brain to rebound against the front of the skull with force. That's what caused the frontal fractures.

 

[Herat]

The orbital roof and frontal bone fractures were the result of a contrecoup type injury, not him falling forward. He fell backwards and hit his head so hard that it caused the brain to rebound against the front of the skull with force. That's what caused the frontal fractures.

This is not correct.

Contre-coup injuries do not cause bone fractures. They cause bruising to the soft brain tissue as it hits the frontal bone during a forceful impact to the back of the head.

The soft brain tissue cannot possibly fracture the orbital rim bones, the eye sockets, or the frontal bones. ]

Think about it, electrical saws with metal blades ( ex: Stryker saws) are used to cut through the frontal bones in autopsies to remove the bony calvarium and expose the dura mater and brain, proper. The normal adult brain has the consistency of medium firm tofu. It cannot possibly fracture the frontal bones or orbital walls.

 

[Herat]

Eye socket bones = orbits or orbital bones

It's probably not the orbital bone rims ( the bones underneath the eyebrows, like the thick bones on the Neadrathal skulls). The bony "cups" that hold the eyes and adjacent soft tissue are more delicate, sort of like the bone in the nose.

The fractures along the walls of the eye sockets are technically frontal bones.

The fracture originated in the posterior occipit, back of the head, actually quite high in the back of the head and was of sufficient force to transfer energy along the occipit to the fronto-temporal bone region, into the orbital bones.

Think of it as a big piece of ice that is hit and the ice splits for several feet ahead of where the impact point was. I read the description as one impact point, with comminution forward. Again, an unusually large fracture.

There is no contusion or subcutaneous bleeding in the forehead, face, jaw region, or neck, so there is no evidence for a second impact across the face, jaw or neck.

 

[LietKynes]

The orbital roof and frontal bone fractures were the result of a contrecoup type injury, not him falling forward. He fell backwards and hit his head so hard that it caused the brain to rebound against the front of the skull with force. That's what caused the frontal fractures.

Bob Saget's head injury was so severe it was like he'd been hit with a BASEBALL BAT, says doctor | Daily Mail Online

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  • One doctor said his head trauma appeared consistent with taking a baseball bat to the skull or falling 20 to 30 feet

'I think what it reveals more than anything else is this was not a simple bump on the head,' neurosurgeon Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who's also CNN's chief medical correspondent, said on an episode of the network's 'New Day' on Friday.


This sounds more severe than the brain rebounding against his skull ?
And possibly more than an accidental fall in the shower or tub ?
If his brain rebounded with force, wouldn't it have caused unconsciousness or at least causing him to dial 9-1-1; or at the very least not able to prepare for sleeping ?

This case is baffling and strange.
Imo.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Contre-coup injuries do not cause bone fractures. They cause bruising to the soft brain tissue.

The soft brain tissue cannot possibly fracture the orbital rim bones or the frontal bones.

Think about it, metal mechanical saws ( ex: Stryker saws) are used to cut through the frontal bones in autopsies to remove the bony calivarium and expose the dura mater and brain, proper. The normal adult brain has the consistency of medium firm tofu. It cannot possibly fracture the frontal bones or orbital walls.

That's what I was taught as well, but was told by a board certified forensic pathologist when the question arose about the frontal injuries that while contusions are definitely going to occur, a severe countrecoup injury can potentially cause fracture of the anterior fossa and superior orbital plates. I went back to the message just to make sure I got it right. There's another one (forensic path) who agreed with the first one so I have to believe it since it's their specialty and they're the experts in this.

What do you think caused the anterior fractures?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Bob Saget's head injury was so severe it was like he'd been hit with a BASEBALL BAT, says doctor | Daily Mail Online

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  • One doctor said his head trauma appeared consistent with taking a baseball bat to the skull or falling 20 to 30 feet

'I think what it reveals more than anything else is this was not a simple bump on the head,' neurosurgeon Dr. Sanjay Gupta, who's also CNN's chief medical correspondent, said on an episode of the network's 'New Day' on Friday.


This sounds more severe than the brain rebounding against his skull ?
And possibly more than an accidental fall in the shower or tub ?
If his brain rebounded with force, wouldn't it have caused unconsciousness or at least causing him to dial 9-1-1; or at the very least not able to prepare for sleeping ?

This case is baffling and strange.
Imo.

I know what the neurosurgeons say, but it's the forensic pathologists who do this daily and all the ones I've spoken to and the ones quoted in the media say that these injuries are consistent with a very bad fall. I don't think anyone really knows exactly how it happened. The facts are that it was only one point of impact and no lacerations so it definitely wasn't a fall down the stairs and it wasn't a baseball bat to the head.

 

[Herat]

I know what the neurosurgeons say, but it's the forensic pathologists who do this daily and all the ones I've spoken to and the ones quoted in the media say that these injuries are consistent with a very bad fall. I don't think anyone really knows exactly how it happened. The facts are that it was only one point of impact and no lacerations so it definitely wasn't a fall down the stairs and it wasn't a baseball bat to the head.

I agree that numerous professionals have been quoted that this is an unusually severe injury for the apparent situation.

The numerous professionals you mention would also give you a better understanding of what contre-coup injuries are and aren't.

 

[LietKynes]

I know what the neurosurgeons say, but it's the forensic pathologists who do this daily and all the ones I've spoken to and the ones quoted in the media say that these injuries are consistent with a very bad fall. I don't think anyone really knows exactly how it happened. The facts are that it was only one point of impact and no lacerations so it definitely wasn't a fall down the stairs and it wasn't a baseball bat to the head.

Falling 20-30 feet sounds like a fall from a 2 or 3 story building, if, let's say -- each room/floor was 10 feet in height.

The other articles seem to question the official version; so I guess I'm a bit skeptical.
Always wanting to know more, esp. as this case doessn't seem like 100 % an accident.
I hope the family will want the whole truth even if it disagrees with the initial assessment.
Imo.

This is not correct.

Contre-coup injuries do not cause bone fractures. They cause bruising to the soft brain tissue as it hits the frontal bone during a forceful impact to the back of the head.

The soft brain tissue cannot possibly fracture the orbital rim bones, the eye sockets, or the frontal bones. ]

Think about it, electrical saws with metal blades ( ex: Stryker saws) are used to cut through the frontal bones in autopsies to remove the bony calvarium and expose the dura mater and brain, proper. The normal adult brain has the consistency of medium firm tofu. It cannot possibly fracture the frontal bones or orbital walls.

Ita.
A bone fracture is a break in the bone material, even if the bones aren't separated as in a bad broken arm.


That's what is so odd about Saget's case.
How did a bone fracture happen to the front orbital ridges from the soft brain tissue ?
Answer : It didn't.
Jmo.