Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

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Klonopin, if taken daily doesn't necessarily make you drowsy because your body adjusts to it. It's also prescribed as needed for anxiety and that includes for flight anxiety. When did he fly in? I'm wondering if he'd taken it a day before when flying in (it would still be in the system).

Trazodone is very, very rarely prescribed as an antidepressant because it's sedating. It's usually prescribed for sleep at doses of 25 mg - 75 mg (maybe up to 100 mg). For antidepressant effectiveness, we're talking doses of 300 mg +.

The injuries sound frightening and I hope they do their due diligence to make sure this really was a tragic accident versus anything else. As others have said, everything had to have happened "just right" for the number and scope of injuries.
 
I'm gonna call it now--this was not an accident.
Bob Saget’s Autopsy Report Describes Severe Skull Fractures

"Some neurosurgeons said that it would be unusual for a typical fall to cause Mr. Saget’s set of fractures — to the back, the right side and the front of his skull.Those doctors said that the injuries appeared more reminiscent of ones suffered by people who fall from a considerable height or get thrown from their seat in a car crash."

I don't think he fell from a considerable height and then got into bed.

R.st. J
 
RstJ said:
I'm gonna call it now--this was not an accident.
Bob Saget’s Autopsy Report Describes Severe Skull Fractures

"Some neurosurgeons said that it would be unusual for a typical fall to cause Mr. Saget’s set of fractures — to the back, the right side and the front of his skull.Those doctors said that the injuries appeared more reminiscent of ones suffered by people who fall from a considerable height or get thrown from their seat in a car crash."

I don't think he fell from a considerable height and then got into bed.

R.st. J
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His family seems to have accepted it. Perhaps they know more about the circumstances surrounding it, and have chosen not to make it public.
 
MimosaMornings said:
Wonder when he took the meds? Those have a sedative type effect?
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Things are not always as they seem.

As for Trazadone:

Trazodone, in fact, has long been among the most commonly prescribed medications to treat sleeplessness.

If one reads the actual user reviews, many caution others not to ingest the Rx not earlier than 15-20 minutes before bedtime. As a frequent business traveler, there's nothing worse than being in a strange environment after taking a sleep aid but not before going to the restroom only to find yourself knocking into walls and furniture before realizing that you're not in your own bedroom. I understand that BS had just started doing live shows again after a long absence. So sad for his wife, family, and friends. Bob was one of the good ones.

Should You Take Trazodone for Insomnia?/ 4/4/21

While Clonazepam is prescribed for Panic Disorder, Seizure Prevention, Epilepsy. there are just as many off-label uses.

For example, I've been a migraine sufferer since juvenile and also take a benzo-anticonvulsant Rx and it's strictly for the off-label use treating migraine management. And if I suddenly had a bad headache, based on my history, I'd never suspect I had a brain bleed!

May also be prescribed off label for Benzodiazepine Withdrawal, Anxiety, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, Burning Mouth Syndrome, Chronic Myofascial Pain, Cluster-Tic Syndrome, Hyperekplexia, Insomnia, Migraine Prevention, Night Terrors, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Periodic Limb Movement Disorder, Primary Orthostatic Tremor, Restless Legs Syndrome, Sleep Paralysis, Temporomandibular Joint Disorder.

Clonazepam vs Lamotrigine Comparison - Drugs.com
 
SOMETIMES THE EARLY EASY ANSWERS ARE NOT THE CORRECT ONES


After reading the New York Times article about neurosurgeons' reactions to his severe head and orbital fractures, it makes me wonder if a burglar went in with a baseball bat when he was sleeping or in the bathroom. It's possible though that he fell in the shower. Had the shower been used?

Did security for the hotel remove any incriminating evidence to spare their hotel bad publicity. I would think they wouldn't, but I am suspicious that this was an attack since neurosurgeons compare it to being hit with a baseball bat or falling 20-30 ft. The police investigators should be looking into all possibilities.

Before the autopsy it seems the family and others made it seem like he bumped his head (perhaps on the headboard), shrugged it off, and went to sleep. The autopsy report makes neurosurgeons think he was unconscious or confused. Did someone move him to make him look like he was peacefully sleeping?


Also I'm wondering if there is security footage of him checking in at the front desk. Did he seem unharmed? Did something happen in the car ride over? An automobile accident? Did he fall going into the hotel or his room? Did he take the stairs and fall? Is there security footage of the hall he was on and the stairwell?


His own final tweet about loving that night's show was posted 1:42 am. Was that after he had checked into his room? The post seems like it was written by him and not by someone else. Thanks for reading.
 
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Seattle1 said:
Things are not always as they seem.

As for Trazadone:

Trazodone, in fact, has long been among the most commonly prescribed medications to treat sleeplessness.

If one reads the actual user reviews, many caution others not to ingest the Rx not earlier than 15-20 minutes before bedtime. As a frequent business traveler, there's nothing worse than being in a strange environment after taking a sleep aid but not before going to the restroom only to find yourself knocking into walls and furniture before realizing that you're not in your own bedroom. I understand that BS had just started doing live shows again after a long absence. So sad for his wife, family, and friends. Bob was one of the good ones.

Should You Take Trazodone for Insomnia?/ 4/4/21

While Clonazepam is prescribed for Panic Disorder, Seizure Prevention, Epilepsy. there are just as many off-label uses.

For example, I've been a migraine sufferer since juvenile and also take a benzo-anticonvulsant Rx and it's strictly for the off-label use treating migraine management. And if I suddenly had a bad headache, based on my history, I'd never suspect I had a brain bleed!

May also be prescribed off label for Benzodiazepine Withdrawal, Anxiety, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, Burning Mouth Syndrome, Chronic Myofascial Pain, Cluster-Tic Syndrome, Hyperekplexia, Insomnia, Migraine Prevention, Night Terrors, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Periodic Limb Movement Disorder, Primary Orthostatic Tremor, Restless Legs Syndrome, Sleep Paralysis, Temporomandibular Joint Disorder.

Clonazepam vs Lamotrigine Comparison - Drugs.com
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I don’t have any experience with Clonazepam but am familiar with Trazodone 50mg as a sleep aid. Definitely need to take it and go to bed. After you wash your face and brush your teeth. Don’t take it at midnight if you need to be up 5-6 hours later.
 
pbj said:
SOMETIMES THE EARLY EASY ANSWERS ARE NOT THE CORRECT ONES


After reading the New York Times article about neurosurgeons' reactions to his severe head and orbital fractures, it makes me wonder if a burglar went in with a baseball bat when he was sleeping or in the bathroom. It's possible though that he fell in the shower. Had the shower been used?

Did security for the hotel remove any incriminating evidence to spare their hotel bad publicity. I would think they wouldn't, but I am suspicious that this was an attack since neurosurgeons compare it to being hit with a baseball bat or falling 20-30 ft. The police investigators should be looking into all possibilities.

Before the autopsy it seems the family and others made it seem like he bumped his head (perhaps on the headboard), shrugged it off, and went to sleep. The autopsy report makes neurosurgeons think he was unconscious or confused. Did someone move him to make him look like he was peacefully sleeping?


Also I'm wondering if there is security footage of him checking in at the front desk. Did he seem unharmed? Did something happen in the car ride over? An automobile accident? Did he fall going into the hotel or his room? Did he take the stairs and fall? Is there security footage of the hall he was on and the stairwell?


His own final tweet about loving that night's show was posted 1:42 am. Was that after he had checked into his room? The post seems like it was written by him and not by someone else. Thanks for reading.
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If he was hit with a baseball bat, there would definitely be quite a bit of blood. I don't think anyone would write that off as accidental as the crime scene would be too messy. This was a hotel so harder to clean blood off everything without being noticed.
 
MimosaMornings said:
I don’t have any experience with Clonazepam but am familiar with Trazodone 50mg as a sleep aid. Definitely need to take it and go to bed. After you wash your face and brush your teeth. Don’t take it at midnight if you need to be up 5-6 hours later.
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As with all meds, this is not true for everyone. Some require higher doses of trazodone and some require very low doses and still can't tolerate it. It's dependent on a number of factors, including the person's genetics. Metabolism of the drug is often controlled not only by genetics, but by interactions with other medications (even over-the-counter), alcohol (synergistic effect), and even cigarette smoking (tobacco increases metabolism of trazodone and other meds, so it doesn't work as well).
 
pbj said:
SOMETIMES THE EARLY EASY ANSWERS ARE NOT THE CORRECT ONES


After reading the New York Times article about neurosurgeons' reactions to his severe head and orbital fractures, it makes me wonder if a burglar went in with a baseball bat when he was sleeping or in the bathroom. It's possible though that he fell in the shower. Had the shower been used?

Did security for the hotel remove any incriminating evidence to spare their hotel bad publicity. I would think they wouldn't, but I am suspicious that this was an attack since neurosurgeons compare it to being hit with a baseball bat or falling 20-30 ft. The police investigators should be looking into all possibilities.

Before the autopsy it seems the family and others made it seem like he bumped his head (perhaps on the headboard), shrugged it off, and went to sleep. The autopsy report makes neurosurgeons think he was unconscious or confused. Did someone move him to make him look like he was peacefully sleeping?


Also I'm wondering if there is security footage of him checking in at the front desk. Did he seem unharmed? Did something happen in the car ride over? An automobile accident? Did he fall going into the hotel or his room? Did he take the stairs and fall? Is there security footage of the hall he was on and the stairwell?


His own final tweet about loving that night's show was posted 1:42 am. Was that after he had checked into his room? The post seems like it was written by him and not by someone else. Thanks for reading.
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Hotels have cameras, and I would think the video was reviewed by LE. If he was injured before he came to the hotel, especially suffering such severe head injuries, it would have been apparent on the video.

We have only the autopsy report. We don’t know what the scene (his room) looked like. We don’t know the mechanism of injury but that is something investigators would have or should have determined. If he fell in the bathroom or if something else happened there should be some evidence.

Again, I think the family has been provided with more details and they choose not to make them public.

What I feel confident about that this was not a case of bumping his head on the headboard as originally speculated. MOO
 
IceIce9 said:
Hotels have cameras, and I would think the video was reviewed by LE. If he was injured before he came to the hotel, especially suffering such severe head injuries, it would have been apparent on the video.

We have only the autopsy report. We don’t know what the scene (his room) looked like. We don’t know the mechanism of injury but that is something investigators would have or should have determined. If he fell in the bathroom or if something else happened there should be some evidence.

Again, I think the family has been provided with more details and they choose not to make them public.

What I feel confident about that this was not a case of bumping his head on the headboard as originally speculated. MOO
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Per the reports, the mechanism of injury was said to be a posterior fall with head strike. Whether that's true or not, we can speculate, but that's what they're saying it was.
 
BeginnerSleuther said:
Per the reports, the mechanism of injury was said to be a posterior fall with head strike. Whether that's true or not, we can speculate, but that's what they're saying it was.
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But the cause of the fall is what I would like to know. As it said in the report: “In consideration of the circumstances surrounding the death.”
 
IceIce9 said:
But the cause of the fall is what I would like to know. As it said in the report: “In consideration of the circumstances surrounding the death.”
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I thought that the circumstances would include the prescribed medications he was taking. Even if he took sleep aids on a regular basis, it may be that by being alone he was unsteady, fell and hit his head. Then ,in a groggy state, he crawled back into bed.
 
kaen said:
I thought that the circumstances would include the prescribed medications he was taking. Even if he took sleep aids on a regular basis, it may be that by being alone he was unsteady, fell and hit his head. Then ,in a groggy state, he crawled back into bed.
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But this makes no sense. Upthread there is a quote from an expert who told the NYT it was like getting hit with a baseball bat or falling 20-30 feet.
 
Seattle1 said:
Things are not always as they seem.

As for Trazadone:

Trazodone, in fact, has long been among the most commonly prescribed medications to treat sleeplessness.

If one reads the actual user reviews, many caution others not to ingest the Rx not earlier than 15-20 minutes before bedtime. As a frequent business traveler, there's nothing worse than being in a strange environment after taking a sleep aid but not before going to the restroom only to find yourself knocking into walls and furniture before realizing that you're not in your own bedroom. I understand that BS had just started doing live shows again after a long absence. So sad for his wife, family, and friends. Bob was one of the good ones.

Should You Take Trazodone for Insomnia?/ 4/4/21

While Clonazepam is prescribed for Panic Disorder, Seizure Prevention, Epilepsy. there are just as many off-label uses.

For example, I've been a migraine sufferer since juvenile and also take a benzo-anticonvulsant Rx and it's strictly for the off-label use treating migraine management. And if I suddenly had a bad headache, based on my history, I'd never suspect I had a brain bleed!

May also be prescribed off label for Benzodiazepine Withdrawal, Anxiety, Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, Burning Mouth Syndrome, Chronic Myofascial Pain, Cluster-Tic Syndrome, Hyperekplexia, Insomnia, Migraine Prevention, Night Terrors, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Periodic Limb Movement Disorder, Primary Orthostatic Tremor, Restless Legs Syndrome, Sleep Paralysis, Temporomandibular Joint Disorder.

Clonazepam vs Lamotrigine Comparison - Drugs.com
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From the article:

Trazodone isn’t without risks, however. It appears to be more likely than other sleep drugs to leave you feeling drowsy the next day, which increases the chance of having an accident, particularly while driving or using heavy machinery.

It can also cause abnormally low blood pressure and, in turn, trigger dizziness or even fainting, particularly in seniors, which can increase the risk of falling. A study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found that seniors with dementia who were given trazodone as a sleep aid were as likely to fall as seniors given antipsychotics, other drugs that can cause sedation.
 
kaen said:
I thought that the circumstances would include the prescribed medications he was taking. Even if he took sleep aids on a regular basis, it may be that by being alone he was unsteady, fell and hit his head. Then ,in a groggy state, he crawled back into bed.
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The circumstances could also include evidence at the scene. Just for example a wet bathroom floor, objects scattered on the floor, tangled sheets on the floor, a broken glass, etc.
 
Gardenista said:
But this makes no sense. Upthread there is a quote from an expert who told the NYT it was like getting hit with a baseball bat or falling 20-30 feet.
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He was not a small man and a fall from standing on something like a porcelain toilet or tub could result in a fracture. If he was on sleep aids, then he might have fallen backward and then forward. Unfortunately, we will never know but it all seems plausible from my pov. People slip in the shower all the time and get skull fractures/ hip fractures/ etc. He had not been out on the road for a while. He seemed to spend lots of time with his spouse.....if started taking these meds (or had used them before and was beginning again) he might not have realized the effects that he was experiencing. When people get into a medication fog, they often don't make great decisions.
 
kaen said:
From the article:

Trazodone isn’t without risks, however. It appears to be more likely than other sleep drugs to leave you feeling drowsy the next day, which increases the chance of having an accident, particularly while driving or using heavy machinery.

It can also cause abnormally low blood pressure and, in turn, trigger dizziness or even fainting, particularly in seniors, which can increase the risk of falling. A study in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found that seniors with dementia who were given trazodone as a sleep aid were as likely to fall as seniors given antipsychotics, other drugs that can cause sedation.
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Even if it caused someone to faint that doesn’t seem likely to cause injuries that are similar to being hit in the head with a bat or a 20-30 foot fall.
 
kaen said:
He was not a small man and a fall from standing on something like a porcelain toilet or tub could result in a fracture. If he was on sleep aids, then he might have fallen backward and then forward. Unfortunately, we will never know but it all seems plausible from my pov. People slip in the shower all the time and get skull fractures/ hip fractures/ etc. He had not been out on the road for a while. He seemed to spend lots of time with his spouse.....if started taking these meds (or had used them before and was beginning again) he might not have realized the effects that he was experiencing. When people get into a medication fog, they often don't make great decisions.
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Of course, but how many of those people have no other injuries but head trauma? How do you only hit your head and bruise no other part of your body?
 
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