Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live

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  • #181
The numerous professionals you mention would also give you a better understanding of what contre-coup injuries are and aren't.

Or maybe they are?

"The contrecoup brain injury has also been implicated in contralateral extra-axial skull pathology secondary to the trauma. One case report indicates a case of mild head injury in which a skull fracture was noted on the opposite side of the head from the impact of the fall.[16]"

Contrecoup Brain Injury - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

"Contrecoup skull fractures are located at a distance from a point of cranial impact and are not direct extensions of fractures originating at the point of impact. They occur when the victim's head strikes at the occiput or temple, and are located most frequently in the orbital roofs and ethmoidplates."

Contrecoup skull fractures in: Journal of Neurosurgery Volume 42 Issue 5 (1975) Journals

Happy to talk further about it offline if you like.
 
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Bob Saget had a podcast. While watching some of them he was talking to a fellow comedian about nerves before going on a show and tachycardia with the other comedian getting (a very rapid heart beat). I have this so I knew what he was talking about when Bob said something like, "Oh I know. I know exactly where to press." He meant that when you have this if you press on a certain place on your neck it slows your heartbeat down. I have done this my whole life and people with it know that if you don't it can quickly get out of control and make you pass out. I can't find the podcast again but it is there if you search. If he couldn't get the tachycardia under control and passed out, he is something like 6'4". That is a long way down to hit your head on something. I have passed out before and my first instinct is not to call 911 but to get in a comfortable place because it has happened so often. It usually comes with excitement or stress or anxiety and he was saying how excited he was about the show. My two cents anyway.
 
  • #184
….. The facts are that it was only one point of impact and no lacerations so it definitely wasn't a fall down the stairs and it wasn't a baseball bat to the head.

I see you on down the stairs, but why is this inconsistent with a single blow to the head from a bat?
 
  • #185
Bob Saget had a podcast. While watching some of them he was talking to a fellow comedian about nerves before going on a show and tachycardia with the other comedian getting (a very rapid heart beat). I have this so I knew what he was talking about when Bob said something like, "Oh I know. I know exactly where to press." He meant that when you have this if you press on a certain place on your neck it slows your heartbeat down. I have done this my whole life and people with it know that if you don't it can quickly get out of control and make you pass out. I can't find the podcast again but it is there if you search. If he couldn't get the tachycardia under control and passed out, he is something like 6'4". That is a long way down to hit your head on something. I have passed out before and my first instinct is not to call 911 but to get in a comfortable place because it has happened so often. It usually comes with excitement or stress or anxiety and he was saying how excited he was about the show. My two cents anyway.
But how did he end up neatly in his bed if he passed out and hit his head on something?
 
  • #186
I see you on down the stairs, but why is this inconsistent with a single blow to the head from a bat?
There would have been blood everywhere.
 
  • #187
My take on the autopsy report:

1. The fractures extend from the base of the head to the orbits. That's a really big fracture, without displacement and the shearing damage from the impact tearing of the veins would cause the subdural hemorrhage. Bruising of frontal brain tissue from the contre-coup effect. Some brain tissue damage appears in the region of the cerebellum, which controls coordination of movements. ( As someone else pointed out - somewhat similar to the Natasha Richardson death from a head impact while skiing - she was well enough to get back to her room on her own power, but decompensated quickly and with enough damage that she couldn't be revived and died within 2 days, from an epidural hematoma. Her injury was in a different area and technically a different type, that is more rapidly fatal, but the general idea of being able to talk and ambulate after the injury only to succumb hours later.)

2. The left anterior descending coronary artery stenosis is high-grade, but focal. He has a right coronary artery dominant system with little plaque at all. There is no plaque hemorrhage or rupture and the stenosis is likely minimally symptomatic, and also not likely to cause significant cardiac dysfunction as he has a very healthy right-dominant system that maintains cardiac perfusion.

3. No soft tissue hemorrhage in the face or neck, so there is no evidence that there was a second "blow" to this region - ie: didnt also fall forward and hit something else.

4. No blood in mouth or abrasions/lacerations that would have suggested a seizure or frontal trauma.

5. No aspiration, no vomiting, no food in the stomach, no pulmonary blood clots or evidence of COVID-related lung disease.

6. Toxicology is straightforward. Two prescribed drugs are present in therapeutic levels.

Basically looks like a reasonably healthy 65 year old who suffered a catastrophic fatal traumatic head injury, with only one impact.
All of this added up sounds very strange to me. He was found in his bed, not on a floor from an injury. How did he sustain that injury in a hotel room? I would hope police at the very least looked if anybody was with him in a hotel room at the time of question.
 
  • #188
There would have been blood everywhere.
Then how did he sustain the injury he did? If he fell and hit his head, why is there no blood found in the room? It's all very strange.
 
  • #189
Then how did he sustain the injury he did? If he fell and hit his head, why is there no blood found in the room? It's all very strange.
Agree it’s all very strange! And I have questions for sure. But I don’t have a problem with him falling, whacking his head just right (no blood), maybe being knocked out initially—maybe not, going to bed, and the bleed slowly progresses killing him in his sleep. He may have been so confused and disoriented from the brain injury that he just went back to bed to lay down unaware of how bad off he was. It does happen. All that is very plausible to me. I just think the extent of his injuries (plural) is very weird from a slip or passing out in the bathroom. I know some doctors are saying a blow to the back of the head could have caused the fractures around the eyes, but I still think that’s weird and probably unusual. BUT I don’t think someone broke in and beat him with a bat. That would have been messy, not to mention impossible to evade the cameras in a Ritz Carlton. So I do think it was an accident but how it happened is SO strange to me and such a mystery.
 
  • #190
But how did he end up neatly in his bed if he passed out and hit his head on something?
I've read he was fully clothed on his bed. Like not tucked up under the covers in his pjs. I've never hit my head that hard but he might have been able to crawl upon the bed from where he fell?
 
  • #191
I've read he was fully clothed on his bed. Like not tucked up under the covers in his pjs. I've never hit my head that hard but he might have been able to crawl upon the bed from where he fell?

I read that too. Fully clothed on the bed.
It was in the very first reports, and then not mentioned again. I wonder if we will ever know what happened.
 
  • #192
I see you on down the stairs, but why is this inconsistent with a single blow to the head from a bat?

I'd expect blood from a bat attack and I don't think the room would be "orderly" as it was described above.
 
  • #193
Did it specify fully clothed in daywear, or could it have been pajamas? Because if he was in daywear, that seems to cut down on the likelihood that he slipped in the shower or on wet bathroom floor.

Maybe he stood on a chair or bed, for some reason? No idea why he might do that, but I could see falling backward from a few feet up and hitting the ledge of a desk or dresser on the way down. He would've been close to the bed (closer than if he'd fallen in the bathroom) and maybe alert just enough to lie down, hoping his head would clear.

It's just so sad.
 
  • #194
Well, Sheriff John Mina appeared on CNN to reiterate that the Orange County Sheriff's Office considers the investigation closed. So unless someone pries it back open again, that's the end of it:

This morning, @sheriffmina was a guest on @NewDay with @JohnBerman, talking about the #BobSaget case. The Medical Examiner has determined the cause of death to be an accident, most likely from a fall. Our hearts are with Mr. Saget's family, loved ones and fans.


Since the Sheriff has better access to case details than I do, I have to go with his opinion until we see otherwise.

R.st.J
 
  • #195
Wonder when he took the meds? Those have a sedative type effect?

I wonder *why* he took those meds? Unless Rizzo is referring to a general travel pattern, then he had a flight to catch in a few hours. "He would go to sleep at 2 a.m. and wake up at 4 a.m. just so he could be on a 6 a.m. flight to come home to her, Rizzo said."
Bob Saget's widow Kelly Rizzo grieves him in interview: 'He was just so kind and so wonderful' - CNN


She also shared that their final text communication was "I love you so much" and "I can't wait to see you tomorrow."
ttps://www.goodmorningamerica.com/culture/story/kelly-rizzo-remembers-late-husband-bob-saget-emotional-82357913

Was she describing his timeline for the next 12+hrs?

R.st.J
 
  • #196
Reminder from page 1 of this thread -- detectives seemingly found nothing amiss when they responded to the hotel:


Orange County Sheriff's Office@OrangeCoSheriffEarlier today, deputies were called to the Ritz-Carlton Orlando, Grande Lakes for a call about an unresponsive man in a hotel room. The man was identified as Robert Saget & pronounced deceased on scene. Detectives found no signs of foul play or drug use in this case. #BobSaget

4:46 PM · Jan 9, 2022· [PT]

https://twitter.com/OrangeCoSheriff/status/1480340290917609473?s=20
 
  • #197
But how did he end up neatly in his bed if he passed out and hit his head on something?
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
 
  • #198
Bob Saget was found dead on his bed by hotel staff, sheriff's report says

Jan 10, 2022

ORLANDO, Fla. —

Comedian and actor Bob Saget was found dead lying face up on his bed in a luxury hotel room in Florida with no signs of trauma, according to a sheriff’s office report released Monday.

There were no signs of foul play, and the room itself was in order, “with items owned by Mr. Saget on the nightstand, television stand, closet and bathroom,” according to the report from the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.

Saget’s left arm was across his chest and his right arm was resting on his bed when deputies and paramedics arrived Sunday at his room at the Ritz Carlton in Orlando and pronounced him dead, the report said.


Saget had been scheduled to check out of his room on Sunday, and when family members were unable to get in touch with him they contacted the hotel’s security team, which sent a security officer to his room, the report said

[..]

When the security officer, Jody Lee Harrison, entered the room, all the lights were off. He found Saget on the bed and cold to the touch, Harrison told deputies, according to the report.

Harrison checked Saget for breathing and a pulse, and when he found none, he had the hotel’s security dispatch call 911, the report said.

“We have an unresponsive guest in a room,” an unidentified man from the hotel said in a 911 call. “Not responsive. No breathing and no pulse.”

Saget was declared dead shortly before 4:20 pm ET. His room key indicated he had entered the room a little before 2:20 a.m. ET, according to the report
 
  • #199
Saget was declared dead shortly before 4:20 pm ET. His room key indicated he had entered the room a little before 2:20 a.m. ET, according to the report
^^sbbm

Hotel security was most likely the source providing BS entered his worm around 2:20 AM.

We also know that BS transmitted his last public tweet at 3:42 AM.

#RIP Bobby Saget...

Bob Saget dead at 65 -- hours after performing live
 
  • #200
Things that make you go hmmmmmm.
Agreed.
This is a mysterious case and worth sleuthing.

According to the specialist in the article I'd linked, he compared the injuries to a 20-30 foot fall from a building.
That is not a slight bump in the back of the head.
 
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