"bonding time"

[tx_Dot]

IIRC one of CA's co-workers also remembers hearing of the fight on the 15th from CA.

Also, I don't think it's particularly odd about the bonding thing. I'll take my 3.5 year old daughter out to dinner and a movie and we bond. I take her for just one on one time with me, without my husband. We call it "just the girls" and she thinks it's special and so do I.

Pg 4 in link in post 1...

Debbie B says she has no "first hand knowledge" about the fight June 15th, & later had heard about it on TV.

Charles says he heard about the fight from Debbie B.

I think these co-workers like everybody else, so much info on this case it's hard to keep things straight........

 

[debs]

Why would Lee say CA 'strangled" KC ??.....according to CA everything was fine June 15th...."she tucked them in".

In Lee interview on pg 6 he clears up the "Caylee big/best mistake" that KC has told CA said.......Lee says he's never heard this except from KC this one time.

Most KC lies tells about parents make them look BAD......

Most lies parents tell about KC make her look GOOD.....

I am saying (obviously not well) that LEE is the one that Jesse and LP said told THEM directly that there was a fight on June 15. I have not found anything but these two anecdotal comments to say there was a fight on June 15, and neither person attributes their source as Casey. They say it is Lee.

I want to know why Lee was telling people there was a fight of this magnitude. I have not read anywhere that anyone said that Casey told them she and her mother got into a fight.

 

[Bev]

We have zero evidence of a fight on June 15. Nada. Zip. There are no witnesses to it, we have only a third party relating a story he heard from someone else.

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

Multiple times Cindy says that Casey and Caylee took off for bonding time, yet we know there was a fight sometime that weekend and also that George claims that Casey and Caylee left like a normal day. Inconsistencies as usual.

After reading this document, now I see where Cindy seems to get her story of "bonding time"...she takes it and subtracts herself to make a "new" story of just casey and caylee leaving

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2009-01/44633987.PDF
PG.2, interview with Cindy's supervisor.

**if this has been talked about, please feel free to delete or merge**

I noticed that too. Lots of "mistruths" out there. I wonder where Casey learned it from?

 

[weasel]

<<according to CA everything was fine June 15th...."she tucked them in".>>

Geez, who talks about "tucking" a grown woman in?

 

[tx_Dot]

I am saying (obviously not well) that LEE is the one that Jesse and LP said told THEM directly that there was a fight on June 15. I have not found anything but these two anecdotal comments to say there was a fight on June 15, and neither person attributes their source as Casey. They say it is Lee.

I want to know why Lee was telling people there was a fight of this magnitude. I have not read anywhere that anyone said that Casey told them she and her mother got into a fight.

LOL...well we do agree on that part "why Lee would be telling this" ??

I just tend to think it came from KC...

I don't think CA would admit to a physical fight, & then allowing KC to leave with Caylee.....notice CA lies, & says everything was fine on the the 15th "tucked them in", "heard them breathing next morning".

KC wanted to leave, move in with Tony,.......sounds good to say "We had to leave, Mom's even strangling me now".

 

[TxLady2]

I don't think it matters much in the long run. People will "dress up" what they say about their families to co-workers, happens all the time. Not too many women reveal the truth about their family life to someone they just work with. Even to their best friends, they are not always truthful.
I lived with my parents for a short while when I had my first son, and it was not an ideal situation, but it worked. Thankfully, my mother turned my child over to me once I came home from work, and she made sure that she let him know I was his mother, and she was his grandmother. It could very easily have gone the other way.
Cindy was obviously very possessive of Caylee, and made mistakes, but I don't think that has a whole lot to do with Caylee's death, but I could be wrong. However, I'm sure that as she looks back, she feels some guilt and responsibility and wonders if she had handled it differently, if Caylee would still be alive. Maybe if she had treated Casey more like an adult instead of a teenager, and encouraged her to be a mother to her, things would have been different. Who knows?

 

[tx_Dot]

<<according to CA everything was fine June 15th...."she tucked them in".>>

Geez, who talks about "tucking" a grown woman in?

LOL...That's what I'm talking about...

CA's lies, short, easy to spot, makes KC look GOOD

KC's lies, detailed, usually makes herself the victim, & makes parents look BAD.

 

[tx_Dot]

I am saying (obviously not well) that LEE is the one that Jesse and LP said told THEM directly that there was a fight on June 15. I have not found anything but these two anecdotal comments to say there was a fight on June 15, and neither person attributes their source as Casey. They say it is Lee.

I want to know why Lee was telling people there was a fight of this magnitude. I have not read anywhere that anyone said that Casey told them she and her mother got into a fight.

my bold....

I see on our calendar they place the 'source' about this fight as the female bodyguard....then LP, etc...(maybe we missed something ??)

 

[debs]

LOL...That's what I'm talking about...

CA's lies, short, easy to spot, makes KC look GOOD

KC's lies, detailed, usually makes herself the victim, & makes parents look BAD.

See, this is why I'm having a problem when people involved in this case say "Casey said....." (not WS'ers; material people.)

Casey's lies ARE detailed, almost as though she's creating a story right then and there. There's no artifice. There's no skill. There are twists and turns and roadblocks but she just flies over them without care because she's CREATING A STORY, almost as though she doesn't know what's going on but she knows something bad has happened and she'd better come up with a darn good reason why it happened and why she didn't do anything. You'll notice we never HAVE heard any good reason why she was partying like it was 1999.

Cindy's lies aren't meant to create a story. It's meant to get the listener to FOLLOW THE STORY. "You're going down that way. BZZZZZ WRONG! Back up. Go this way." Cindy's lies are calculated. Directive, almost. Cindy expects the listener accepts what she is saying as truth. She doesn't ASK you to believe it; she DEMANDS it.

Cindy doesn't care for inconsistencies in a much different way than Casey doesn't. Where Casey's inconsistencies are a part of her narrative, Cindy's are to erase parts of the narrative that she no longer wants out there. Not to enhance or expand greater truths that may have come about, but IN SPITE of greater truths.

Cindy's story to her co-workers was that she was going to take "the girls" on vacation with her for bonding time. That didn't happen, and Cindy never went to the beach for that first vacation. Obviously one could speculate that something traumatic happened, like a fight. But when Cindy starts telling her story about the days after June 15, her story includes her saying "Casey said she wanted to have a few days to bond with Caylee." (a paraphrase.)

That doesn't enhance the greater truth of the disappearance of her granddaughter. In fact, IN SPITE of the greater truth... that her daughter took off with Caylee and she was stressed out so much that 2 weeks later she went onto Myspace to verbalize how distressed she was about the whole "bonding" time....Cindy spins this bucolic tale of girlish bliss.

it's all hooey to me, liars and the lies they tell to protect the lies they told about the lies they had already told.

As an aside, I find it quite interesting the dynamics of the existence right this very minute of the Anthony family:
Casey in jail alone
Lee in Tampa alone
George in hospital alone
Caylee in a funeral home alone
Cindy at home alone.

 

[debs]

I don't think it matters much in the long run. People will "dress up" what they say about their families to co-workers, happens all the time. Not too many women reveal the truth about their family life to someone they just work with. Even to their best friends, they are not always truthful.
I lived with my parents for a short while when I had my first son, and it was not an ideal situation, but it worked. Thankfully, my mother turned my child over to me once I came home from work, and she made sure that she let him know I was his mother, and she was his grandmother. It could very easily have gone the other way.
Cindy was obviously very possessive of Caylee, and made mistakes, but I don't think that has a whole lot to do with Caylee's death, but I could be wrong. However, I'm sure that as she looks back, she feels some guilt and responsibility and wonders if she had handled it differently, if Caylee would still be alive. Maybe if she had treated Casey more like an adult instead of a teenager, and encouraged her to be a mother to her, things would have been different. Who knows?

I agree that people "dress up" what they say. But over time, it equalizes out and people get a sense of who someone really is. A liar is a liar is a liar, and maybe if she'd taught Casey the value of truth, Cindy's regrets would ring a lot less like culpability and a lot more like regret.

 

[zoey]

See, this is why I'm having a problem when people involved in this case say "Casey said....." (not WS'ers; material people.)

Casey's lies ARE detailed, almost as though she's creating a story right then and there. There's no artifice. There's no skill. There are twists and turns and roadblocks but she just flies over them without care because she's CREATING A STORY, almost as though she doesn't know what's going on but she knows something bad has happened and she'd better come up with a darn good reason why it happened and why she didn't do anything. You'll notice we never HAVE heard any good reason why she was partying like it was 1999.

Cindy's lies aren't meant to create a story. It's meant to get the listener to FOLLOW THE STORY. "You're going down that way. BZZZZZ WRONG! Back up. Go this way." Cindy's lies are calculated. Directive, almost. Cindy expects the listener accepts what she is saying as truth. She doesn't ASK you to believe it; she DEMANDS it.

Cindy doesn't care for inconsistencies in a much different way than Casey doesn't. Where Casey's inconsistencies are a part of her narrative, Cindy's are to erase parts of the narrative that she no longer wants out there. Not to enhance or expand greater truths that may have come about, but IN SPITE of greater truths.

Cindy's story to her co-workers was that she was going to take "the girls" on vacation with her for bonding time. That didn't happen, and Cindy never went to the beach for that first vacation. Obviously one could speculate that something traumatic happened, like a fight. But when Cindy starts telling her story about the days after June 15, her story includes her saying "Casey said she wanted to have a few days to bond with Caylee." (a paraphrase.)

That doesn't enhance the greater truth of the disappearance of her granddaughter. In fact, IN SPITE of the greater truth... that her daughter took off with Caylee and she was stressed out so much that 2 weeks later she went onto Myspace to verbalize how distressed she was about the whole "bonding" time....Cindy spins this bucolic tale of girlish bliss.

it's all hooey to me, liars and the lies they tell to protect the lies they told about the lies they had already told.

As an aside, I find it quite interesting the dynamics of the existence right this very minute of the Anthony family:
Casey in jail alone
Lee in Tampa alone
George in hospital alone
Caylee in a funeral home alone
Cindy at home alone.

so very true!!!!!!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[kageykaren]

Ditto Debs! Bonding is something that comes easily for some moms and not for others. For CA to make a point out of KC CA & Caylee bonding, I feel was to affix something that was broken.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Pg 4 in link in post 1...

Debbie B says she has no "first hand knowledge" about the fight June 15th, & later had heard about it on TV.

Charles says he heard about the fight from Debbie B.

I think these co-workers like everybody else, so much info on this case it's hard to keep things straight........

Yep I went back and re-read after I posted...it's hard to figure out what they heard versus the news. Charles never says where Debbie said she got the information from but then Debbie says she heard it on the news.

 

[ThoughtFox]

Ditto Debs! Bonding is something that comes easily for some moms and not for others. For CA to make a point out of KC CA & Caylee bonding, I feel was to affix something that was broken.

Right!

I have a niece who seemed to be happily married with one child, nice home, good jobs, and then a second child came along. Now she is having serious trouble coping with being a Mom of two, as strange as that seems to those of us with multiple kids. She has let the grandparents (my brother and his wife) have the baby with them for weeks at a time, which seems strange and not natural to me. It has put a strain on their family, and my sister-in-law tries to put a happy spin on it every time I talk to her.

I felt as if I bonded with my children even before they were born, and certainly at the minute they were born. To me that's the strongest bond of love in the world, and I certainly felt that way about my own mother. It's hard to see those pictures of Casey in the hostpital when Caylee was born, and to think they might not have bonded well after that. It's terribly sad, but then it happens every single minute of every day to a child somewhere.

 

[MissJames]

I sort of understand some of what has gone on in that family -- my 27-year-old daughter and my now-6-year-old grandson have lived in my house most of his life. I've been widowed since he was 15 months old.

There is a power struggle almost any time two adult women share a house. I think it is just human nature, but I can see why Casey and Caylee might have had a hard time bonding.

I think Cindy was trying to do the right thing and let go of her granddaughter, trying to "make" Casey raise her child. I did the same thing, because I saw what could happen if my daughter did not raise her son without my constant interference. It's a difficult thing to do.

Cindy was not happy with the way Casey cared for Caylee and was being encouraged by coworkers to get custody.The money held her back.I don't see this as a time she would be willing to let go. I agree with SS.Things were tense and she had planned on that time smoothing things over with Casey and Caylee [without george ]. When Casey was arrested she switched her story so people wouldn't question why she[CA] didn't insist on seeing Caylee sooner.

 

[Bobbisangel]

I never needed "bonding" time when my children were almost 3y.o. We had already bonded LONG before that.

I just find it odd that they use this term and then there was duct tape "bonding" on Caylee. It's disturbing, but one of my first thoughts.

I've heard it called spending quality time. If a person has more than one child and the kids are a little older sometimes the mom or dad will take one child somewhere special and spend quality time with them alone. The next time is another child's turn. Never heard it called bonding time though. I agree, we bond with our kids from pregnancy on.

 

[essies]

Ditto Debs! Bonding is something that comes easily for some moms and not for others. For CA to make a point out of KC CA & Caylee bonding, I feel was to affix something that was broken.

I think CA was trying to fix the incident at the hospital when she(CA) got to hold Caylee first. GA even mentions it in a interview with LE-so apparently it was a big deal to KC! I guess the girl can really hold a grudge! I don't think KC wanted to bond with Caylee-she had Lauren babysitting and then the Grunds to go to an imaginary job when Caylee was an infant. She had the time to be with her baby that other mothers would give anything to have! KC was running from motherhood from the time Caylee was born. Those times she spent acting like a mother were just that-acting!! What she really wanted was HER life. She said to her parents that her life had been taken away at the aug. 14th visit. I'm sure she felt her life was actually taken away aug. 2005.
That tat she got wasn't to mark or memorialize Caylee's life - IMO- I think it was to mark the beginning of getting her life back!!:furious:

 

[debs]

I think people are "misconschtruing" me: I am talking about CINDY'S lies. Not Casey's. Cindy lies are deliberate. They are measured. They protect her image. They are told with the intention for YOU to forget what you know and to pay attention to what she's going to tell you that you're supposed to know.

"Forget about the 911 calls. I made 'em, I know what I said."
"It was rotten pizza."
"Do you know how bad garbage smells after 3 weeks in the back of a car in the Florida heat?"
"Casey took off to bond with Caylee."
"I tucked them in like it was a normal night."
"There is no evidence."
I could go on, but I haven't eaten or slept and if you want me to collapse right here on this thread..........oh wait. Lemme snap out of it.

 

[Bobbisangel]

From what we have been told Casey didn't want to have a baby in the first place...didn't want to keep Caylee. I would guess that Casey didn't bond with Caylee when she was pregnant and therefore didn't feel anything for her after she was born. She probably felt trapped because she didn't want that responsibility. It seems that things were alright as long as mom and dad would take care of Caylee most of the time but fell apart when mom started making Casey take some of the responsibility.

As far as not having the money to take Caylee...I wonder if Cindy meant for an attorney or to raise her? They were already raising her and paying for everything for her. Maybe Cindy meant they wouldn't be able to afford a babysitter while Cindy was at work. It's such a shame that Cindy and George didn't just go for it and take that little girl. If Casey hadn't been such a revengeful witch..as she said herself...she would have welcomed the freedom to go do her own thing without out dragging a child along with her.