Bosma Murder Trial 02.01.16 - Day 1, Opening Statements

[Tamarind]

I thought it might have been that Tim was located in a rural setting, less eyes traffic cams etc...

But why bother going to Etobicoke if they were looking for a rural setting to kill someone? I wonder when the drop off vehicle came back to pick them up or whatever !

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

I have been following this case for a while.

I think the two male suspects charged in the murder are extremely dangerous offenders. Particularly the one suspect with multiple links to other cases.

I think the prosecution's theory about this particular murder being something of a 'thrill kill' is on mark. I believe one or both of these suspects are maybe even budding serial killers if they continued on their career in crime.

Even the female suspect who's only charged with accessory to this particular crime - I doubt is as 'guilt free' as it may even appear on the surface. Particularly when one considers the link this female suspect has with a female diseased of another unrelated case for which the boyfriend is involved with. Something is fishy here.

I hope these people remain locked up for life. Very dangerous.

 

[Tamarind]

I'm relieved that the defense did not go hard at SB. It seems the prosecution has enough evidence to work with that a definitive I.D. of DM and MS isn't needed from her, but the defense really could have made it a more long and drawn out process. Nothing to gain from that I guess. She did her job and can now join her family.

I think she really only had basic information which could not be elaborated on, as she was not present after the truck left the driveway. Not much she can say in the way of evidence really IMO

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

Motive - This is why I believe the truck is NOT the motive for the crime. Maybe they had an order to chop up some parts for that type of truck, or whatever, but, the real motive was the thrill of the kill, IMO.

The had the $ to buy or simply just steal the truck outright in the middle of the night.

Three - 3 - potential other victims were not preyed upon in the end.

Tim was chosen, because he was slight enough for them to murder. In my opinion, they were making some wacked out snuff video to distribute, because they enjoyed the thrill of the kill.

Evil, psychopaths.

I agree.

The psych profile on the "rich kid" male suspect is the most interesting. Born with a silver spoon. Tries and fails at various things in his life. No real direction or motivation. But he is rich. He is seemingly a psychopath with very little respect or regard for human life, which is nothing more than something he can snuff out if he wanted to. His entire existence can be summed up as just living every day breathing and eating and doing anything he feels like to pass time. But the routine gets boring. Fixing cars? Boring. Flipping houses? Boring. He needed a real thrill. Needs a challenging hobby. Why what else, but what has transpired before us.

I agree also that Tim was chosen because he was not only slight in terms of stature, though he is tall. But I think its because he is a 'nice' guy. A guy who is probably respectful of others. Smiles. Congenial. Soft spoken. Well mannered. Selling the car by the victim also signals they may be in a financial bind for cash (which to a rich guy, needing money is a sign of weakness). These "square" traits are also what rubs these suspects the wrong way. IMO these suspects hate 'weaklings'. People who are 'nice' and 'kind' are seen as something of a wussy and pathetic. Somebody they can crush and bully. Particularly a man who is selling an asset to get cash further signals to these psychopaths the man is weak. If you were mean and bad, they might respect you. But if you are a church going man who is kind and nice, and seen to be selling something to get some money, you are a pathetic weakling to them.

Take a look at the other alleged victims of the same suspect. One victim was a drifter of sorts with no permanent foothold at the time. An alleged drug user. A 'free rider' to the suspects. Bubbly attitude perhaps. They didn't respect her. They saw her as weak trash and they treated her that way. These suspects have no respect for human life. Particularly so, when they look down on you because they perceive you to be a pathetic weakling.

 

[Tamarind]

Please read only the bolded parts.

I can't understand why he and MS allegly did such an unnecessary and vile crime for a simple used truck. Don't ask me, what I would have expected ...!

Sorry for missing the other point you made. I actually haven't been convinced as yet. The Crown will present what they consider to be evidence. The details or lack of, will become evident as trial continues IMO.

 

[Honey_West]

:thinking:

I think I'll go to bed now...

 

[Tamarind]

I wonder if another person got into the back seat somewhere along the way. If there is blood spatter on a glove box as was stated, it would suggest that the shot came from behind IMO. It would also explain a passenger window being blown out. It doesn't explain who did it though IMHO, as we dont know who was actually present at time, at this stage of the trial.

 

[robynhood]

agree 100 percent..Crown will prove there was an intent to kill Tim Bosma....no accidental shooting when you have a gun...and yes the seats were removed as he was shot in his own car...makes me sick beyond belief..Sharlene said on the stand they were planning to have their second kid...Go watch the story how they met and How Tim Bosma proposed marriage to her...Broke my heart ...on a walk ...every step had another message in the sand...at the end it said Marry me?...:badmood:

 

[matou]

:welcome4::welcome4:

Welcome new posters to the forum! The details that came out today were pretty horrible. Your input is appreciated here.

 

[e-sherlockholmes]

Continuing on my earlier theme, I bet they felt killing someone for a truck would be easier (and more thrilling) than whatever DM would need to do to liquidate $24k. Or possibly easier and more thrilling than writing a check, if it comes to that.

Having spent so much time focused on the farm, I agree it is weird to discover how much of this crime took place in the hangar. My current thoughts are that DM fancied himself a businessman, and now that Dad was dead, the hangar was both his man-cave/toy storage and his place of "business". He felt more in control there.

The farm was for partying; the hangar was for business, including the business of illegally obtaining vehicles. So they went there to take care of business.

Sorry to frame it so callously, but this is my impression when I try to get inside their heads, and no it is not a fun exercise.

I think the fact a man is selling an important asset like a truck, potentially signals to the suspects that the victim is in a financial bind for cash. This is a sign of weakness, particularly to wealthy psychopaths who knows they can afford to buy whatever they want and money is never a concern for them.

There are probably logistical reasons for why they chose a victim living in a rural setting and who is selling a car too. This way, they can play it out exactly as they did. Get into the car for a test drive as a prospective buyer. Have another car follow behind them. Gets out of sight. Low visibility. Do the deed.

Finally, I think the victim was a physically frailer man. Was a nice younger family man. A real 'square'. These are all the things the suspects may disrespect as they see it as weakness. You can never win over these suspects with kindness. They will simply view all kindness as weakness and will step all over you. The only thing these suspects have ever feared is likely something more fearless and brutal/violent/aggressive than themselves. Surprisingly, a lot of people in our everyday life live with similar principles - i.e. kindness and timid/nice is seen as weakness that they look down on and will step on you over. The only thing these individuals in society respect are aggressiveness and demonstrated success. Often traits of a psychopath.

 

[Sphinx]

"Police also found a spent .380 gun cartridge inside and Millard’s fingerprints inside and outside the truck."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...ial-set-to-begin-in-hamilton/article28476260/

I am not familiar with guns. Would that bullet be used in a fairly small gun that would be easy to hide under loose clothing ?

 

[swedie]

I really fear that they are going to try to blame this on Tim.
'Tim freaked out, Tim tried to grab the gun, the gun went off...'

blah, blah, blah

They can spin whatever excuse or story they want, but honestly, I don't see it working for them. People knew they were planning to steal a truck Then after they stole the truck, those people found out TB was shot and killed and then incinerated. They've come forward and told the truth perhaps to cover their own hineys, but I hope more than anything, they came forward because they know what the accused did is absolutely morally and legally wrong, that they have a conscience and now want to see justice for a husband, father, son, etc. who did not deserve to be murdered. What they did was no accident. It was planned and deliberate. Who takes a gun for a test drive unless they are up to nefarious business?
ALL MOO.

 

[Wondergirl]

I never had any doubt that the Crown had enough to slam the door on these SOB's for the rest of their lives, and the opening day of the trial has shown there is a mass of evidence against them.

Tim Bosma did not die in vain.

His horrific and unnecessary death, set in motion the events for these 2 to end their train of evil.

There is no doubt in my mind that there would be more victims, but for his death.

We will all be here to support in the weeks and months to come, of what will no doubt be an emotionally charged trial.

To think there will be 2 more trials for that to have the opportunity to get out of his cell for. BLAH

Stay strong, Ancaster, for there is a light to follow. We all witnessed Sharlenes immense courage today and we can follow her lead and stay classy.

Now we wait for justice to prevail.

 

[robynhood]

..I am curious like....Sphinx..Is that shell that was found In TB Truck which killed him... a a small gun ...easy to HIde in baggy clothes ?...I guess it will be presented by the crown as we proceed in the trial...BUT..does anyone here know about guns?....extremely curious..?....And who was that friend that dropped them off and went toTim Horton's to supposively get something to eat?....That would involve a 3rd person now???....robynhood

 

[Miranda]

But why bother going to Etobicoke if they were looking for a rural setting to kill someone? I wonder when the drop off vehicle came back to pick them up or whatever !

A lot of areas in Etobicoke are quite rural, but what do I know I'm a big city girl. There was also the gentleman from Toronto who slept through the call.

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Screen-shot-2013-09-12-at-12.16.59-PM.png

 

[matou]

Fraser says the evidence will show that the pair went to his house with a plan, and shot him in the truck shortly after they headed out together. He says they then got rid of the body by burning it in a livestock incinerator set up outside Millard's air hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport.


Millard texted his employees that day, Fraser says, and told them not to come to work: "No one goes to the hangar today. Not even just to grab something."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6257741-two-men-shot-bosma-in-his-truck-crown-tells-trial/

 

[Tealgrove]

..I am curious like....Sphinx..Is that shell that was found In TB Truck which killed him... a a small gun ...easy to HIde in baggy clothes ?...I guess it will be presented by the crown as we proceed in the trial...BUT..does anyone here know about guns?....extremely curious..?....And who was that friend that dropped them off and went toTim Horton's to supposively get something to eat?....That would involve a 3rd person now???....robynhood

There are several different models of guns that use .380 calibre ammunition. They range from small to medium. We're talking a handgun which could easily be concealed in a kangaroo pouch on a hoodie or in a pocket of a jacket. Definitely can be hidden under clothing.

 

[Gibson67]

I have been waiting for this day to come for so long now and was a little shocked to learn they shot him..I honestly thought all this time that there had to have been an altercation and that he may have died during a struggle..but to find out that he was shot? soon after he left the house? It boggles my mind why they followed through with this, after being seen by 2 witnesses at the house who could easily identify them (Wayne and Sharlene). Dellen even told Tim he was from Etobicoke...so why? Did they really believe they would get away with it? Really? Just so senseless and such a sick feeling to know they actually looked his wife in the eyes and spoke to her then had the guts to follow through with killing him.

 

[Tealgrove]

Fraser says the evidence will show that the pair went to his house with a plan, and shot him in the truck shortly after they headed out together. He says they then got rid of the body by burning it in a livestock incinerator set up outside Millard's air hangar at the Region of Waterloo International Airport.


Millard texted his employees that day, Fraser says, and told them not to come to work: "No one goes to the hangar today. Not even just to grab something."

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6257741-two-men-shot-bosma-in-his-truck-crown-tells-trial/

I find it interesting that he told employees not to come to work, don't go to the hanger even to grab something. I know I'm always looking for nefarious stuff, but this just screams to me that something is going on that isn't above board. I'm wondering if this was a common occurrence? I know if my boss told me not to come to work, not to drop in etc., I would be more than curious and wonder what the hell was going on?

It's almost as if he is advertising that he's up to no good. Brilliant (read sarcasm).

 

[swedie]

Motive - This is why I believe the truck is NOT the motive for the crime. Maybe they had an order to chop up some parts for that type of truck, or whatever, but, the real motive was the thrill of the kill, IMO.

The had the $ to buy or simply just steal the truck outright in the middle of the night.

Three - 3 - potential other victims were not preyed upon in the end.

Tim was chosen, because he was slight enough for them to murder. In my opinion, they were making some wacked out snuff video to distribute, because they enjoyed the thrill of the kill.

Evil, psychopaths.

I know this sounds harsh but...if it was just the truck they were after, why didn't they just pull out a gun(s) after shaking TB's hand and demand the truck keys and flee with the truck. DM could have disguised himself a bit better like with a ball cap or hoodie also. I hardly doubt SB, TB and WD would have put up a fight over the truck. They would have let them take the truck and then called LE/911 reporting the truck as stolen. I don't believe TB would have put up a struggle that night either to keep them from taking the truck, if they tried to force him out alive. IMO one or both murderers wanted the thrill of killing someone. JMO.