Bosma Murder Trial 02.02.16 - Day 2

[flipflop]

A spoiled rich kid, who seems to enjoy being in the spot light, who thrives to get attention and be the center of attention....the behaviours being described to us from SEVERAL reporters about DM do not really surprise me. They disgust me, but they do not surprise me at all.

 

[Kamille]

He should lay off the dog biscuits.

:floorlaugh:

 

[Alethea Dice]

Just trying to catch up. I didn't see anything about this in the opening statement. Did it ever get cleared up? Any idea if this video will be part of the trial or if it's no longer considered applicable or useful?

Video evidence reveals another vehicle following Bosma’s pickup truck when he left on the test drive, Kavanagh said.

Police have been unable to identify the vehicle’s model from the footage.

Police said only that it is an “SUV-type vehicle.”

“When Mr. Bosma’s vehicle left his residence, there was a second vehicle following,” Kavanagh said.

“We do not know at this time how many people were in that second vehicle.”

http://www.680news.com/2013/05/15/millard-to-face-1st-degree-murder-charge-in-bosmas-death/

Police are looking for two more suspects – the short man and the driver of an “SUV-type” vehicle that appeared to be following Mr. Bosma’s Dodge as it pulled away from his home.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/inside-the-life-of-dellen-millard-the-man-charged-with-killing-tim-bosma/article12009016/

Kavanagh said based on video evidence they now know when Bosma left his home with two males to test drive the truck, a second vehicle — which may have been an SUV — followed them.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2013/05/14/tim_bosma_missing_man_is_dead_body_burned_police_say.html

It was always the particular wording used from Kavanagh's statement that caught my attention - when it "left his residence", "as it pulled away from his home", "when he left his home".

 

[Juballee]

Some random things that stood out to me today that I'm not sure have been touched upon yet:

It seems both lawyers want to know if the witnesses remember seeing the other carrying a bag of some sort; MS a backpack and DM his Indiana Jones satchel. From the pictures that we have seen, I have to honestly say that DM wearing his satchel looks a lot like a man wearing a purse to me, and perhaps to others who live in the country and who are not used to the metrosexual accessory. I would think that it wouldn't be as noticeable to a man to see another man wearing a backpack as it would to be to see a man wearing a purse. I think when you see a man wearing a purse, even in this day and age, it's still something that you would notice and remember later, a backpack, not so much.

 

[Juballee]

I still think that it's really odd that MS's fingerprints have not been mentioned yet. I wonder if he pulled down the sleeves of his hoodie over his hands to open the truck door when he got in, and then he put on gloves he was carrying, or if only his prints were scrubbed from the truck afterwards.

From the opening statement transcript one of the things that stands out as showing that at least DM didn't plan the murder was the fact that it took him a couple of days to arrange to have someone paint and remove the identifying stickers from the truck. I would think that if he had planned to murder someone for their truck that he would have been bothered to line up that important service before committing the crime. I also think he would have moved the incinerator with a less conspicuous vehicle ahead of time and given employees a better excuse and a chance to gather up belongings before the last minute warning to not show up.

My opinion only.

 

[Sphinx]

Shooting someone dead while driving would cause an accident. The force from a gun and trying to hold a car steady, being spattered with blood and flesh, doesn't seem feasible to me. JMO

I agree. It would be risky, but then DM ( skydiving etc. ) was a risk taker. MS could have said something like he needed to relieve himself at the side of the road. The truck would be parked, MS would not be in danger of being shot during a struggle, and after the murder, he could walk, or be driven to the parked Yukon nearby.

 

[Juballee]

I agree. It would be risky, but then DM ( skydiving etc. ) was a risk taker. MS could have said something like he needed to relieve himself at the side of the road. The truck would be parked, MS would not be in danger of being shot during a struggle, and after the murder, he could walk, or be driven to the parked Yukon nearby.

I agree that it would be much more difficult and riskier to shoot someone while driving and easier to pull over with any excuse, no matter who the shooter was. Even a passenger would be better off waiting until a vehicle was stopped before attempting something that takes a fair amount of precision, especially if you only get one chance to have the advantage of surprise. People drive those roads at at least 80km/hr and country roads are known for being bumpy, and trucks for being bouncy.

If the truck were parked, the shot could have come from outside the vehicle if one stepped out to tinkle. I am hoping that there will be an expert to verify the trajectory of the bullet(s). I thought I remember reading something about large amounts of blood splatter on the ceiling for both the passenger and driver side, so I wonder if the direction of the splatter supports the 'shooter standing outside' theory.

I just realized that although DM is characterized as being a risk taker because he sky dived and raced for a few miles, MS could also be characterized as a risk taker for engaging in the risky behaviours of vandalism, drug dealing and running from the cops.

Just my opinion.

 

[Tamarind]

These reporters who are live in attendance are there to report to the public (you) what they are seeing and hearing, so that you and I don't have to go ourselves every day. It is a service they are providing to the public. Sure, there could be interpretive differences, but how many reporters have there been now, who have commented on DM's inappropriate smiling? Several. I also saw it with my own eyes. They speak the truth. It is fine to look, (briefly), but it is simply not fine to smile, stare, nor follow someone out of the courtroom with a stare. These are *not* the accused's friends and family members.

I'm sure we all stare. .. even 'sleep with our eyes open' at times, perhaps. That is like a blank stare, almost trancelike.. not a stare where you swivel in your chair so that you can continue to stare down the witness, smiling, until she has exited the room. That gives me the shivers, just thinking how intimidating that had to have been for the poor woman, and after all that she has already been through. Just wow.

Like I said, its all down to interpretation in my opinion, whoever may be there. I am giving my opinion. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about my opinion, to be honest. I think its fine to look and fine to smile, my opinion is as valid as anyone elses. <modsnip> JMO

 

[Tamarind]

I still think that it's really odd that MS's fingerprints have not been mentioned yet. I wonder if he pulled down the sleeves of his hoodie over his hands to open the truck door when he got in, and then he put on gloves he was carrying, or if only his prints were scrubbed from the truck afterwards.

From the opening statement transcript one of the things that stands out as showing that at least DM didn't plan the murder was the fact that it took him a couple of days to arrange to have someone paint and remove the identifying stickers from the truck. I would think that if he had planned to murder someone for their truck that he would have been bothered to line up that important service before committing the crime. I also think he would have moved the incinerator with a less conspicuous vehicle ahead of time and given employees a better excuse and a chance to gather up belongings before the last minute warning to not show up.

My opinion only.

They said his hands were in pockets all the time. I am guessing that's the front pocket of a hoody. Maybe he had gloves on already ? I would think he must have touched the door handle to get into the truck, unless he nose dived through the window, which is a rather reaching assertion.

I am still wondering where the rest of the teeth are. Just one seems rather odd. I am having a hard time believing a 6' 1" male was incinerated. Seats and car mats I can visualize but not a man that size, to be only left with one bone fragment and one tooth. JMO

 

[canadiangirl]

So sad to be back here ...but happy the time has finally come. Now hoping justice is served. Nice to see familiar faces still around

 

[swedie]

Looks like each is going to say that their client went there with the intention that this was a truck purchase and the other had an alterior motive and pulled out a gun after they left TB's home.

:notgood:

MOO

Hahaha it's not going to work though because we have MS's girlfriend's testimony and DM's room mate's testimony, them saying there was talk of stealing a truck and then admission of stealing one. In the end it isn't going to matter who pulled the trigger. They've both admitted to others of stealing a truck. MOO.

I guess these lawyers have to make it look good, like they are trying to help their clients. Maybe these defense lawyers have a conscience. I recall another murder case not too long ago where I had that niggly feeling. Could this be another? Time will tell.
JMO.

 

[canadiangirl]

Or a sick reference to the " Bates Motel " in the movie Psycho, directed by Alfred Hitchcock ?

This was my first thought too. Sick

 

[swedie]

Post 79- Lucas Bate- a distant relative to Lucas Skywalker?? lol Has to be some reason behind choosing "Bate" as a last name. Perhaps that the phone would be used as a baiting device? MOO

We don't call you MsSherlock for nothing. :hilarious: Hey, but yeah, good catch. JMO

 

[swedie]

Makes sense. That probably establishes Millard as the driver. Usually the first thing you do when you drive a vehicle that isn't yours is reach up and adjust the rearview mirror with your right hand. It is a habit everyone has and as suggested does it without even realizing its been done..

Other possible reasons for DM adjusting the rear view mirror, leaving his thumb print on it.

* DM needed to adjust it to see that his Yukon was following behind.
* if there was a struggle inside the truck, the mirror could have been knocked it out of alignment. Therefore DM needed to adjust it.
* DM was paranoid and wanted to make sure LE weren't tailing him.
* if DM backed the truck anywhere, he may have used his rear view mirror.
* after the incinerator was hitched up to TB's truck, DM wanted to make sure he could see it in the rear view mirror tagging along.
MOO.

 

[swedie]

Is it just me, or does Pillay appear to be cross examining just for clarification of the obvious things that are pointing to his clients guilt? Am I missing something? MOO

Seems that way to me too. I assume he's trying his best to give DM a bang for his buck.

 

[deugirtni]

....

If the truck were parked, the shot could have come from outside the vehicle if one stepped out to tinkle. I am hoping that there will be an expert to verify the trajectory of the bullet(s). I thought I remember reading something about large amounts of blood splatter on the ceiling for both the passenger and driver side, so I wonder if the direction of the splatter supports the 'shooter standing outside' theory.

....

It wasn't large amounts of blood splatter (sic) on the ceiling, it was "Significant amounts of gunshot residue were found on the inside of the truck, with especially high concentrations in the front seat area, both passenger side ceiling and driver&#8217;s side ceiling" (from the Crown's opening address) - which indicates the gun was shot from the front seat area inside TB's truck.

 

[deugirtni]

....

I am still wondering where the rest of the teeth are. Just one seems rather odd. I am having a hard time believing a 6' 1" male was incinerated. Seats and car mats I can visualize but not a man that size, to be only left with one bone fragment and one tooth. JMO

I'm not sure where you are getting 'only left with one bone fragment and one tooth'? From the Crown's opening statements: "The opinion of the expert was that inside the vault area was cremated adult human remains of one individual."

 

[swedie]

Yes to all of this. I've always been reluctant to straight-up call him a serial killer, but he's giving me all kinds of Ted Bundy at this point.

And for whatever reason, involving other people is obviously part of the thrill for him.

Good reminder that murderers (and serial killers) do not necessarily fit the perfect cookie-cutter molds we envision after watching all those 'profiler' crime shows.



Thanks, redheart. So if he's driving, he has to turn a bit in the seat to fire with his left hand.

Well, do lefties necessarily fire with left hand? Going to ask left-handed boyfriend tonight. (Not that he's ever fired a handgun, but I'm guessing there's some instinctive knowledge of how you would hold something like that.)

I'm left handed and I don't believe it would difficult or awkward to hold and shoot a small calibre gun in my right hand but that's JMO.
These images are examples of a .380 calibre gun. HTH.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder how TB's blood got onto various areas of the undercarriage of his truck? Did they run him over too?

"Tim Bosma&#8217;s blood was also found in various areas on the undercarriage of the truck."

 

[swedie]

Were Smich's fingerprints not found in the truck?

Doesn't sound like his finger prints were found anywhere on or in the truck according to the Crown's OS. Likely because he didn't touch anything. Perhaps the only thing he did touch on the truck were the rear passenger door handle to get in and out of the truck. And maybe he pulled his hoodie sleeve down over his hand prior to using the handles. It hasn't come out yet where DM's prints were found on the exterior yet.
ALL MOO.