Bosma Murder Trial 02.08.16 - Day 5

[Tamarind]

Is it just me or is it weird to anyone else that the word isn't centered?

It looks to me like he got it so that he can see it himself as a means of encouragement. Ambition and Discipline are words that maybe a grandfather would use to tell someone, to encourage them. JMO

 

[swedie]

Grass, hay bales and mud tracks? This is the corner of Trinity and Book.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/M...s0x882b469fe76b05b7:0x3146cbed75966db!6m1!1e1

This is the entrance to that field. The road you see to the right is Trinity that leads to the Bosma house.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.174...v0X2LBTP5MvtJpSAHw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1

Wow, that was pretty brazen of them. That area is right in the open and there's a house right on the corner.

A six minute walk. MOO.

https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/1273...167ada97834f931!2m2!1d-80.034334!2d43.1696343

 

[swedie]

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[Kamille]

Have we ever seen an actual link to an LE representative that claimed the the video surveillance of what they believed were the two vehicles was from the area of Trinity and Wilson? Or has this just been assumed all these years and threads later based on local posters who knew there was a traffic camera there?

MOO

 

[Sphinx]

a booster juice cup is Styrofoam, and IMO not a good source to get a finger print from,but I am not a forensics expert!

I think they needed her DNA, not her prints... I am starting to buy into the 3rd driver idea...

Thanks for your input about the cup being styrofoam. It has been explained to me that a smooth, dry surface is best for fingerprints. I thought they might want to be sure they had both DNA and fingerprints while they had the chance. I do not believe CN had any criminal record before her arrest in the Tim Bosma case. I am not a forensic expert either !

 

[Kamille]

This looks like some serious commitment to Desert Baja Racing. Just saying....

45th Tecate SCORE Baja 500

May 30 - June 2, 2013 *Pre-running started May 15, 2013.

http://www.race-dezert.com/home/course-unveiled-for-45th-score-baja-500-05-14-13-43635.html

 

[swedie]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 57s58 seconds ago
Sachak asks if people in the vehicle were "horsing around." Bullman says no. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Sakach drops the "horsing around issue." #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Sakach asks Bullmann if the ppl in the vehicles seemed to be horsing around. Bullmann says he didn't say that. "Certain. 100%."



Any thoughts on that line of questioning by DM's lawyer?

Perhaps B had put this in his initial statement to LE and S was testing his memory. I think that line of questioning could have worked against DM in all honesty. IF B had seen what seemed like "horsing around" then it could have meant, what he actually saw was a struggle going on. I've noticed this a few times now. He's trying to raise reasonable doubt, but could be bolstering the Crown's case. :notgood: MOO.

 

[missberry]

My thought about the DNA is maybe they found some of her DNA in the truck? She was helping DM move it and all. I still think there is no 3rd suspect. Them parking the Yukon, walking to the house, and killing TB shortly after leaving the driveway, then picking up the Yukon and traveling to Brantford makes the most sense to me.

 

[Sphinx]

Wow, that was pretty brazen of them. That area is right in the open and there's a house right on the corner.

A six minute walk. MOO.

https://www.google.ca/maps/dir/1273...167ada97834f931!2m2!1d-80.034334!2d43.1696343

I would like to know if the front passenger side window of Tim's truck, which was shattered, resulted in any glass blowing out, or if it stayed in the window. I would think that a bullet would likely penetrate, and leave a hole, maybe breaking a large portion of the glass. If that is the case, finding that spot, where glass is scattered on the ground, would mark the spot where Tim was shot. It might have been while his truck was moving, or when it was stationary, but it seems it was very close to home. If SB and her boarder observed the truck swerving at the end of their driveway, as it turned onto Trinity, and this was the place the shooting was carried out, I would think that they would have seen glass blow out of the window, or heard the shot, but maybe that is just when MS knocked him out with a blow to the back of his head. It is all so sad to think of Tim being killed or incapacitated perhaps even in view of his wife and friend, who had bad feelings about the test drive, but did not suspect anything like this.

I get chills when I think of DM turning in his seat, and looking back at MS when Igor mentioned his experience in the Israeli army during his test drive. That could have been a signal to MS not to try and hit him in the back of the head because he was trained and dangerous.

 

[inbetweendoors]

This looks like some serious commitment to Desert Baja Racing. Just saying....

I saw it as more of an achievement thing. Would be way douche-ier to get that same tat if he hadn't actually done the race, lol

 

[MsSherlock]

My thought about the DNA is maybe they found some of her DNA in the truck? She was helping DM move it and all. I still think there is no 3rd suspect. Them parking the Yukon, walking to the house, and killing TB shortly after leaving the driveway, then picking up the Yukon and traveling to Brantford makes the most sense to me.

Totally agree. The place they chose allowed for tucking the Yukon in and there also appears to be a lot of trees and brush. Perhaps the traffic cam at the corner picked up the Yukon travelling South on Trinity around 9. Not like LE had to look thru hours of video- they had a good idea when they arrived. Also, early LE reports said they had video of the truck being followed closely by another vehicle. I seem to remember seeing a picture of the tail end of the truck and the front end of the other vehicle but it was really grainy- going to see if I can find it. The pic I remember was definitely being shot as if it was a traffic cam. MOO

 

[Snowglobe]

Castoff DNA can be used to get a DNA warrant. About DNA warrants:

http://robsonhall.ca/mlj/content/mr-stillman-dna-and-discarded-evidence-criminal-cases
http://www.victimsofviolence.on.ca/research-library/dna-search-warrants/
http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cons/dna-adn/code.html

 

[Kamille]

I saw it as more of an achievement thing. Would be way douche-ier to get that same tat if he hadn't actually done the race, lol

Well technically he did not do the race. He rolled in the first 5 miles or something. And his buddy AM also got this tattoo and he was just there to ride shotgun. I wonder if SS got one too? :waitasec:

Do you think he was anxious to give it another go? Maybe do the pre running this time so he'd be more familiar with the course? It WAS the 45th Annual one.

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Really seems to be the DM show up to this point. And even though I get the fact that his defence is trying to create a reasonable doubt, I can't figure out why Sachak is bouncing on these innocent civilians who just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time rather than attacking any of the expert testimony. The whole "horsing around" thing was strange. People "horsing around in a field" with vehicles/dirtbikes/snowmobiles is something farmers have to often deal with- It's the action of ripping it on motorized vehicles in the wide open spaces- it's not even in the same category as people in a car "horsing around" MOO

 

[Sphinx]

I am thinking they killed TB in that field, then turned their phones off and drove away quickly, to get out of there. Realizing, once they drove for a bit (or maybe his phone rang or he got a message) that they had better shut his phone off, thus pulling over in Brantford to find the phone in his pocket, turn it off and throw it away.

How horrible to think he was possibly killed so soon, and so close to home.

MOO

Yes, they could have used the excuse of needing to relieve themselves, and pull over into the lane, or maybe it was just MS, who did not want to be inside the cab when shots were fired, so as soon as he got out, DM shot Tim. When they pulled in that lane, I wonder too if Tim might have seen the Yukon parked there, so DM would shoot him very quickly before he could even ask what that truck might be doing there. The dogwalker only saw the truck and Yukon driving out. They could have been sitting there for a few moments, and maybe he did not hear a shot because he was in his house, or out of the range for hearing it. Le seems sure Tim was shot very soon after leaving his home. Did they find shattered window glass from the front passenger window of his truck in the grass near the tire tracks ? If so, this is where he was shot. One can only hope it happened so fast Tim did not see it coming, or that he had already been knocked out by MS.

 

[Kamille]

Really seems to be the DM show up to this point. And even though I get the fact that his defence is trying to create a reasonable doubt, I can't figure out why Sachak is bouncing on these innocent civilians who just happened to be in the wrong place at the right time rather than attacking any of the expert testimony. The whole "horsing around" thing was strange. People "horsing around in a field" with vehicles/dirtbikes/snowmobiles is something farmers have to often deal with- It's the action of ripping it on motorized vehicles in the wide open spaces- it's not even in the same category as people in a car "horsing around" MOO

I know...that was just being nit picky. "You said in the police report you thought they might be horsing around in the field. Why did you not say that here today?" "Umm....because after hearing about what happened to TB's body I no longer think that? I said I thought they might have been horsing around to tell LE what I was thinking at the time I saw the vehicles because I did not know something was amiss. duh." Sounds like he put RP in his place with that attempt at tripping him up anyway.

Seems like RP just likes to get up every time to make it look like he's doing something.

MOO

 

[canadiangirl]

Just curious, what about the evidence thus far makes you believe there was a third person? Two vehicles, two drivers. DM's Yukon and TB's truck, DM and MS. MOO.

The evidence thus far doesn't have anything to do with why I think there was a 3rd person. It goes further back when we were all speculating in 2013. LE at that time said they were looking for a 3rd. They later said that they were no longer looking for a 3rd and they didn't feel there was any danger to the public.
IMO I think someone did drop them off and was waiting for them. Which is why the neighbour saw 2 vehicles leaving. I dont think there was any switching of drivers. I think the other vehicle was following them through downtown brantford etc as seen on surveillance from businesses.
Now who was in the other vehicle? I don't know. I think LE does. I suspect CN. And I'm wondering if a plea bargain is in place for a reduced sentence for her.
All MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

The evidence thus far doesn't have anything to do with why I think there was a 3rd person. It goes further back when we were all speculating in 2013. LE at that time said they were looking for a 3rd. They later said that they were no longer looking for a 3rd and they didn't feel there was any danger to the public.
IMO I think someone did drop them off and was waiting for them. Which is why the neighbour saw 2 vehicles leaving. I dont think there was any switching of drivers. I think the other vehicle was following them through downtown brantford etc as seen on surveillance from businesses.
Now who was in the other vehicle? I don't know. I think LE does. I suspect CN. And I'm wondering if a plea bargain is in place for a reduced sentence for her.
All MOO

CN's charges are dated May 9, so she was not involved prior to that point.

 

[swedie]

Is this standard practice? can someone explain this to me?

Sorry if this has already been answered. Yes this is standard practice. He will be called to take the witness stand again at some point. Possibly many times. Defense has questions for him but do not pertain to the testimony he gave today. HTH and MOO.

 

[canadiangirl]

CN's charges are dated May 9, so she was not involved prior to that point.

Does the date someone is charged indicate when their part took place?
Asking because I genuinely don't know