Bosma Murder Trial 02.08.16 - Day 5

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:39 PM
Now we're looking at calls to the Tumanenko phone.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
We're seeing the Bate phone pinged off towers in Etibicoke and North York between May 3 5, 2013.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Communications with Palmilli's phone show "Bate" phone located in #Etobicoke 4 times. Once in #NorthYork. #MillardSmich

 

[Snowglobe]

Thanks, I like being in that younger group!

 

[Sphinx]

Even if he didn't, the dogs would.

Yes, the dogs would have likely heard it, but how would they have reacted ? We have been told that gunshots in the countryside, with all the farmers, and hunters about, was a common thing.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 38s38 seconds ago
9:05 pm May 6 Bate phone is in Ancaster and calling #Bosma phone.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 59s59 seconds ago
First 3 communications with #TimBosma phone show "Bate" phone in #Etobicoke. On evening of May 6, records show it in #Ancaster calling Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Looking at calls between Bate phone and #Bosma phone. May 6, 7:24 am text from Bosma phone to Bate phone. Then 7:22 pm Bate calls Bosma.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
"Bate" phone records show 4 communications with #TimBosma phone. 3 calls, 1 text between them.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Now we're seeing the records of the Bate phone calling #TimBosma before he vanished. #HamOnt #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
"Bate" phone shows up on towers in #Oakville, #Etobicoke, #NorthYork in respective comms with Tumanenko phone. #MillardSmich

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 4m4 minutes ago
Looking at records between "Bate" phone & Igor Tumanenko's phone now. 3 Communications. All outgoing calls from "Bate."



None of this is new info, right?

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

If the eyewitness was looking west into the sun at the horizon, say down Book Road, his vision would have been impaired. This is a difficult time of day to see clearly. Shadows from trees and hay bales would be longer. The sun seems to set faster as it gets closer to the horizon.

Needless to say, vision would be impaired at 9:23 p.m. or so in early May. The moon was but a sliver that night.



http://www.moonconnection.com/moon-may-2013.phtml

Were there any farm lights in the field?

Sun was below the horizon so he would have been dealing with dingy/gloomy/impaired lighting conditions but not sun in his eyes or shadows. Likely contributed to why he couldn't clearly identify the second vehicle. MOO

 

[SnoopCat]

How many people here have actually hooked up a trailer? You typically don't need to get down underneath the truck...

with a receiver style hitch its not at all necessary to get under your vehicle to hook up a trailer. I tow a boat regularly in the summer. you will have to crouch or kneel to connect the trailer chains and light assembly once the hitch ball is connected to the trailer coupler.

 

[Alderbrook]

Given what was done to TB's body, I shudder to think what may have been done to him while he was still alive. And sadly because of how his body was disposed of, no one will likely ever know (unless the two start talking).



Anyone know if the skies were clear or cloudy that night? What about the moon?

It was clear from my memory. I had a baseball game that evening about 20 mins away from the Bosma house.


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[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:46 PM
Iaccio can't pinpoint exactly where the phone was. "It could have been 5 metres away from the tower or 2.5 kilometres away from it," he says.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:44 PM
The Bate phone was physically powered off after talking to Bosma, cell records show.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:44 PM
Pillay now cross examining.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:43 PM
Cell records show the Bate phone was pinging off a tower on Wilson Street in Ancaster the night Bosma disappeared. "The very last entry ... is to the Bosma phone on the 6th of May, 2013," Crown Craig Fraser says.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:41 PM
Now we're seeing the records of the Bate phone calling Tim Bosma before he vanished.

 

[LoyalSleuth]

Not to belabor the point...but this will give you a feel for the field that was being described, where we believe the second vehicle was stowed, in reference to the Bosma house. When you click the link you will see the hay bails in the field in question. This is looking NE up Trinity. Spin around pretty much 180 degrees and you see the Bosma house. The spot that this image is from is approximately halfway between the Bosma house and the corner of Trinity and Book. Sad to think how close to home. MOO

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.171...RuuUc5tA!2e0!5s20140701T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Thanks DWO.
I think I get the spot up at Trinity and Book, SE corner there is a driveway type thing, just past the brown Bell Box, this is where the second vehicle (yukon) and TB's truck were see leaving from... If the Yukon was left there, then these 2 walked 7 minutes along a country road, I just can't picture that.... However i am also not a subscriber to the third driver... So did they really walk that far? Or was the Yukon somewhere closer and for whatever reason they pulled in there to freakout talk abotu what happened to TB make a plan...I dunno...

OR

Maybe the CN DNA Cast out was presented today because there may be evidence found near that location that had her DNA?
MOO

 

[inbetweendoors]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 1m1 minute ago
The Bate phone was physically powered off after talking to Bosma, cell records show. #HamOnt #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Iaccio is walking us through phone records for LB phone. Last call listed is to Bosma's number at 9:05 pm on May 6. Then powered off. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
#Millard lawyer Pillay now cross examining Iaccio. Has him confirm #Bate phone powered off at 9:26 pm in #Ancaster on May 6/13.

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Cell records show the last number the "Lucas Bate" phone had contact with was Bosma's phone. #HamOnt #TimBosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Records show "Bate" phone called #TimBosma at 9:05 pm the night he disappeared. #MillardSmich


When Molly says "LB" phone I keep thinking Laura. Wish she'd just say Bate phone like everyone else, lol.

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:37 PM
The tower address can be seen on these records too. The tower most often being used when the Bate phone contacted Palmilli is 265 Markland Drive in Etobicoke.


265 Markland Dr in Etobicoke is very close to 5 Maple Gate and would be the closest cell tower to that address.

MOO

 

[inbetweendoors]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 48s48 seconds ago
Iaccio earlier testified towers like the one in #Ancaster usually have a radio of 2-2.5 km. Says now "most of the time it's changing."

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Iaccio concedes to #Millard lawyer he can't tell exactly where phone was in relation to tower. "Could be 5 metres away, could be 2.5 km."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Bate phone powers off at 9:26 pm May 6. Phone's last ping is off Wilson Street tower in Ancaster, Iaccio says under cross by Pillay. #Bosma

 

[Honey_West]

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:48 PM
Iaccio is excused. That's it for today.

Adam Carter
Feb 8 2016 3:47 PM
Pillay pointing out that tower coverage area isn't a concentric circle. “It could continuously change … minute by minute, second by second?” Pillay says “Yes,” Iaccio says.

 

[inbetweendoors]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 59s60 seconds ago

#Millard lawyer Pillay completes cross exam of Iaccio. #Smich lawyer Dungey has no questions. Court adjourned for the day. #MillardSmich

 

[Honey_West]

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[Alderbrook]

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that the tribute you are seeing IS for TB. It is right across from their front yard, it is constantly being refreshed/added to AND when I drove by a week ago, there was a laminated photo of Tim on the pole with the flowers. The accident was further north closer to the intersection with Book Road. I'm not even going to add an MOO to this because it isn't an opinion...it is fact. It is so great to see people still remembering Tim with this tribute, almost three years later.

I can second this. Whenever I drive by the house there are flowers and usually the gate is closed. I haven't driven by in a while but the last time I did there were flowers.


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[inbetweendoors]

Just a reminder that court doesn't start until 1pm tomorrow.

 

[JPC]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Iaccio was able to tell police in this case the LB phone was powered off around 9:20pm. Last ping was in Ancaster. #Bosma

The initials LB keep throwing me off. I keep thinking that it is in reference to Laura Babcock.

 

[Kamille]

What is with the Bate phone references in these tweets. It was powered down at 9:05, 9:20 and 9:26 according to these tweets.

Come on reporters...

MOO

ETA: Okay according to Susan Clairmont, the phone was shut off at 9:05pm and powered down at 9:26PM. Which makes sense. SMH at some of these tweets though.