Bosma Murder Trial 02.08.16 - Day 5

[RandomName479]

Anyone have a link to CN's charges? Does it specifically state "after the fact" or just "accessory"?

 

[bluemoon2U]

Can someone shine some light on who Brendan Daley is?

Feb 8 2016 2:40 PMTwo production orders were of interest to Hamilton police: 647-303-2279 - the "Lucas Bate" phone, and the other was 289-400-4124, a Brendan Daley.
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Adam Carter

 

[canadiangirl]

Duplicate post

 

[EspressoBean]

Anyone have a link to CN's charges? Does it specifically state "after the fact" or just "accessory"?

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2015/02/why-did-christina-noudga-choose-to-go-straight-to-trial.html

It looks like she is charged as an accessory, after the fact.

 

[hopingforjustice]

This always had me thinking too. Because if you've just murdered someone, possibly premeditated, would you want someone without a license to drive either vehicle? I just have this "third person" feeling and have had it all along...

They have just murdered someone (allegedly). Worst crime imaginable. No respect for their victim or the law in that respect, I highly doubt they grew a conscious about a little thing like not having a drivers license i

 

[LoyalSleuth]

Yes, so we know CN didn't get wrapped up in this until May 9, the Thursday, probably recruited to help DM cover his tracks.

By that time, surely MS and DM didn't want to be seen together, and DM had LE hot on his trail and loose ends all over.

Could it be possible CN was the driver and she plea bargained to not get charged with the murder by becoming a crown witness putting both DM and ME in the murder one charge... if my memory serves me right, CNN was not charged for quite awhile after.

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[canadiangirl]

They have just murdered someone (allegedly). Worst crime imaginable. No respect for their victim or the law in that respect, I highly doubt they grew a conscious about a little thing like not having a drivers license i

I don't think that's what was meant, more like if he gets pulled over with no drivers license that's a huge red flag!

 

[canadiangirl]

Could it be possible CN was the driver and she plea bargained to not get charged with the murder by becoming a crown witness putting both DM and ME in the murder one charge... if my memory serves me right, CNN was not charged for quite awhile after.

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That's my theory. I'm in a minority though. Lol

 

[EspressoBean]

Could it be possible CN was the driver and she plea bargained to not get charged with the murder by becoming a crown witness putting both DM and ME in the murder one charge... if my memory serves me right, CNN was not charged for quite awhile after.

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She was charged almost a year later.
CN driving - doesn't add up to me.

 

[Variant]

Can someone shine some light on who Brendan Daley is?

Feb 8 2016 2:40 PMTwo production orders were of interest to Hamilton police: 647-303-2279 - the "Lucas Bate" phone, and the other was 289-400-4124, a Brendan Daley.
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289 is a GTA mobile area code. Reverse lookup of the full number shows Oakville. Perhaps Smich's burner phone?

 

[flipflop]

Of course DM may have gotten out and driven the Yukon, but considering that it would appear that DM wanted the truck, I can't imagine him letting MS- who didn't even have a drivers license #1) drive a truck that size #2) take the lead (testimony that Yukon was following TB's truck) MOO

I don't think DM is the law abiding citizen or would he care if MS was caught driving without a licence.

 

[swedie]

That's my thought. I really think we'll see her driving the Yukon that trailed behind. MOO

See Libtech's post 425. Also, IF anyone else was involved...third person, akd Donut, they would have been found by now and charged with murder also. Very soon after MS's arrest there was no further discussion by LE of a Mr. Donut. There is no third person involved. MOO.

"Police have said Bosma's truck was followed by a second vehicle the night he was abducted. That vehicle was a dark blue Yukon SUV owned by Dellen Millard, according to police. They say only a driver was inside."

http://www.metronews.ca/news/hamilto...-in-focus.html

 

[EspressoBean]

I don't think DM is the law abiding citizen or would he care if MS was caught driving without a licence.

He'd probably care if either of those vehicles were impounded, though.
But I don't imagine that he saw that as a big risk. It looked like he perceived himself as somewhat untouchable.

 

[canadiangirl]

See Libtech's post 425. Also, IF anyone else was involved...third person, akd Donut, they would have been found by now and charged with murder also. Very soon after MS's arrest there was no further discussion by LE of a Mr. Donut. There is no third person involved. MOO.

"Police have said Bosma's truck was followed by a second vehicle the night he was abducted. That vehicle was a dark blue Yukon SUV owned by Dellen Millard, according to police. They say only a driver was inside."

http://www.metronews.ca/news/hamilto...-in-focus.html

She didn't commit the murder though. And at the time she's following does she even know TB has been murdered yet? There is no further discussion by LE because I think there's a plea bargain. A weak link if you will, told all. I look at it this way.
We have CN with a future ahead of her. No criminal record. University student. Career. Bright future. Supportive family etc.
Then we have DM and MS.
It's in her best interest to fully cooperate.
MOO

 

[Sphinx]

If she was involved in the theft of the truck on May 6 she would also be facing first-degree murder charges...but she didn't pitch in until May 9. Accessory after the fact.

Could she still be an accessory after the fact if she was not there when the murder was committed, but was just down the road, waiting in the Yukon, or even if she was not in Tim Bosma's truck when it happened, but saw DM shoot him from the parked Yukon ? LE did say she helped DM in his escape, and could that include driving the Yukon ? I would really like to know if she has a solid alibi for that night. They did keep her in jail for a long time before giving her bail, and she appeared in court with chains around her ankles. There was speculation even then that they were keeping her in jail to keep her under pressure to release evidence, and maybe agree to a plea deal. I can see DM wanting someone else there in case something happened to him or MS in a struggle, or something else going wrong. She kept those letters from DM, and the video recorder from the hangar that he gave her, even after he asked her to destroy evidence. I think she is in very deep, and kept them to help her bargain with LE if they arrested her. She also got a top lawyer, right away, after DM was arrested, as I recall. If she was there that night, she will likely claim that she thought there was going to be a truck hi-jacking, and that is all. If she was involved in any way in the murder and/or disposal of Laura's body, then she may have been so compromised that she had to do what DM asked, and she was hoping to marry a millionaire. It would take a lot of nerve to go along with such things, but she skydived with him. There is a picture of them together, and she looks very happy, so I think she was quite a risk-taker too. When she left jail with her dark glasses on, and the hoodie around her face there was a slight smile, maybe even a smirk. Perhaps she and DM were well matched.

 

[Kamille]

She was charged almost a year later.
CN driving - doesn't add up to me.

Me either.

Did CN even know how to drive or have a drivers license back then or even now? She took the subway to school.

And where did she go at 1:30am when DM and MS were at the hangar alone with both vehicles? Did they drop her off somewhere? What did her electronic footprint reveal? Did she have an alibi for that night? Did anyone see her or call her that night?

LE didn't need her to level the charges on DM and MS, they've got plenty on them without her. She didn't co-operate with them about anything until she was arrested it appears. If she was there and LE knew it by her electronic footprint, or lack of one for that evening, she would have been charged with 1st degree just like the other two. Think Karla.

So I agree with you. Doesn't add up to me either.

MOO

 

[Sphinx]

Could it be possible CN was the driver and she plea bargained to not get charged with the murder by becoming a crown witness putting both DM and ME in the murder one charge... if my memory serves me right, CNN was not charged for quite awhile after.

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That might have been the evidence that caused them to skip all the usual pre-trial procedures, and ask to go directly to a trial. We were told that this is a rare event, and leads one to believe that the evidence is over-whelming. An eye witness, and someone who helped in the escape would likely seal that deal.

 

[JPC]

Her DNA might be on the toolbox that held the gun.

Or on the trailer that she helped move, the truck in the trailer or the incinerator. All items that she may have touched while helping move them with DM.

I still think that LE may have a treasure trove of information from hard drive seizures. DM and MS allegedly told people prior to the theft of the truck that they were going to steal a truck. If they were sharing details that freely through verbal means what would stop them from doing it through email and text.

 

[Kamille]

She didn't commit the murder though. And at the time she's following does she even know TB has been murdered yet? There is no further discussion by LE because I think there's a plea bargain. A weak link if you will, told all. I look at it this way.
We have CN with a future ahead of her. No criminal record. University student. Career. Bright future. Supportive family etc.
Then we have DM and MS.
It's in her best interest to fully cooperate.
MOO

But she didn't. She lawyered up, communicated with DM against the no contact list (or at least accepted letters. Don't know how she got them) and didn't speak to LE until she was arrested and charged with accessory. After they had to do all the grunt work of investigating her role before arresting her.

MOO

 

[swedie]

What a douche like looking expression.

Agree. He should have put his dentures in for the mug shot.

Wow! I have to say how impressed I am with IT. That tattoo is small and I could imagine it would have been hard to make out unless someone was fairly close. The fact IT said there was a box around it...I wouldn't doubt IT was right. I have to wonder what DM was doing when IT was able to decipher that tattoo.

DM drew the box on with a sharpie or pen I bet. MOO.