Bosma Murder Trial 02.17.16 - Day 10

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Dust and really small fragments from inside Eliminator swept into evidence bags.

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Huys: "A lot of it was really small fragments" @CHCHNews #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Photo from above of Dr Rogers squatting inside of it, too, gives a good indication of its size. #Bosma

 

[swedie]

It seems like he just threw the engine swap comment out there in passing. Previously he had only mentioned seeing the incinerator, excavator, and skid steer. I wonder if it is relevant to the trial and whether he will expand on it after the recess.

BBM - So are you suggesting he's lying on the stand? What would be the benefit of that. He's testifying under oath. And we know there is a lot of information held back prior to the trial. IMO I doubt he just threw that out there. IIRC there were photos way back that were posted showing a wooden platform built around the excavator. Some members suggested back then it was relevant to work/repairs being done on the excavator. HTH and MOO.

 

[kramkat]

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 3m3 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Police used a blue tarp to cover the eliminator when not investigating. @CHCHNews #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
We are seeing photographs of the forensic team doing their work at the Eliminator. One of Sgt Huys colleagues climbed inside #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Photo shoes blue tarp over Eliminator, Dr. Rogers in white suit, hood, inside the Eliminator passing items out to Huys.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Also found metal grommets inside Eliminator.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Looking at a photo of the anthropologist inside Eliminator collecting evidence. It is so big only her head pokes out the top door. #Bosma

This just made me feel queasy............ I knew this thing was big, but Lord!

 

[Velma]

Feb 17 2016 4:02 PM
Huys says the bone material was resting on some of the tubes or fallen between some of them. The biggest concentration was on one end of the device, on the left side.

Feb 17 2016 4:03 PM
Now seeing a photo of the bottom of the incinerator -- lots of little fragments seen here.

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Bottom of Eliminator lined with concrete tubes.

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
Biggest collection of fragments was on the far left side within the eliminator. @CHCHNews #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 23s23 seconds ago
Now photos of "debris" at bottom of Eliminator.

 

[Velma]

Feb 17 2016 4:04 PM
Court now seeing a photo of charred debris in the corner of the Eliminator.

Feb 17 2016 4:05 PM
Now court is seeing photos showing of the debris/bones were examined, collected and logged.

Feb 17 2016 4:06 PM
Seeing a photo of the bones in something like a tool kit for transport. Well over a dozen small bags of bones in this photo.

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 27s27 seconds ago
Now photos showing method of examination, collecting and logging of bones and other material.

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
Many small bone fragments collected with a broom and dustpan and put into bags. @CHCHNews #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 40s40 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Sgt Huys talking us through the careful packaging of the bones for transportation, for further examination. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 16s16 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
So far the only defence we've heard from either Millard or Smich's lawyers is trying to point holes in the police investigation #Bosma

 

[Ontario Mom]

Grommets makes me think he was wrapped in yet another tarp before being put in there, or that a tarp was tossed in there along with him.

 

[redwing7225]

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 3m3 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Police used a blue tarp to cover the eliminator when not investigating. @CHCHNews #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
We are seeing photographs of the forensic team doing their work at the Eliminator. One of Sgt Huys colleagues climbed inside #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Photo shoes blue tarp over Eliminator, Dr. Rogers in white suit, hood, inside the Eliminator passing items out to Huys.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Also found metal grommets inside Eliminator.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Looking at a photo of the anthropologist inside Eliminator collecting evidence. It is so big only her head pokes out the top door. #Bosma

Metal grommets...perhaps from a tarp being disposed of? If I recall correctly, the type of tarp seen in images have had the metal tie down grommets along the edge

 

[Ontario Mom]

“It was just a box. A small, tiny box. Just a little …” said a teary Sharlene Bosma, unable to finish the sentence, but making the shape of a box with her hands.

This is what was left of Tim http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/15/tim_bosma_comes_home_heartbreakingly_in_a_small_box.html

 

[redheart]

Metal grommets...perhaps from a tarp being disposed of? If I recall correctly, the type of tarp seen in images have had the metal tie down grommets along the edge

Or possibly from blue jeans? I think the tarp is more likely, though.

 

[musicaljoke]

Grommets makes me think he was wrapped in yet another tarp before being put in there, or that a tarp was tossed in there along with him.

Or perhaps from a jacket, either Tb's and/or clothing belonging to the accused.

 

[redheart]

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 13s13 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Slides show many fragments fused to inside of the eliminator. @CHCHNews #Bosma

 

[flipflop]

People who live on farms are generally very observant of any unusual activity. I'd say you'd have a better chance of getting away with something like this if he did it all at Maplegate. City people barely know who their neighbours are. Especially in Toronto. MOO

With DM being from the city, he would never think of this. Everyone in the country or from a small village or town knows everyone else's business. If they see something odd, they will investigate it. I agree with you, it would have been more private on the Maplegate property.

 

[andreww]

Or perhaps from a jacket, either his and/or clothing belonging to the accused.

That would be my thought, that they all discarded their murder-wear after cleaning up.

 

[Tealgrove]

To think that you could be with your family one minute, dead in maybe less than 5 minutes and reduced to bone fragments and ash within hours is the most frightening thought (or reality) I've ever experienced. And, who would expect something like that to happen? I am at such a loss I can't imagine how the family of Tim Bosma can come to terms with all of this. I recall Sharlene Bosma being interviewed shortly after Tim's murder and her comment was something to the effect of that she watched her husband leave the driveway and what came back to her was a little box of bones and ash. That's all she had of him. I will never forget her saying that nor forget her expression. This just became very real for me.

 

[Velma]

Feb 17 2016 4:12 PM
Court now hearing the technical aspects of how the examination went on, section by section.

Feb 17 2016 4:14 PM
By a tube at the bottom of the incinerator theres a load of debris. It's right by the wall of the Eliminator. It's debris, ash and bone, Huys says.

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 25s25 seconds ago
"She would collect it, pass it out to me, I'd do a couple of photos," says Huys about working with Rogers, then packing and sealing items.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 5s5 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
We are seeing a tight shot from inside The Eliminator. Sgt Huys says it was full of debris, ash, and bone #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13s13 seconds ago
Their process involves photographing debris and then labelling every bit of it with a number corresponding to the evidence. Painstaking.

 

[ArianeEmory]

To think that you could be with your family one minute, dead in maybe less than 5 minutes and reduced to bone fragments and ash within hours is the most frightening thought (or reality) I've ever experienced. And, who would expect something like that to happen? I am at such a loss I can't imagine how the family of Tim Bosma can come to terms with all of this. I recall Sharlene Bosma being interviewed shortly after Tim's murder and her comment was something to the effect of that she watched her husband leave the driveway and what came back to her was a little box of bones and ash. That's all she had of him. I will never forget her saying that nor forget her expression. This just became very real for me.

There was something I was thinking about last night, the way we all keep saying how strong Sharlene is. I can't but help but wonder if that's just something we tell ourselves because it makes us feel better to think she's strong and coping and can stare down Dellen Millard. My significant other is thin and blond and blue-eyed and boyish-faced like Tim, and he's gone on test drives from Craigslist while selling a car. If this happened to me, I'd like to think I could be 'strong' and stare down Dellen Millard and find some way to get through it, but I suspect I would just be crumbling and dying and furious inside, especially during the trial. My heart goes out to her so much.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Sean Leathong ‏@SeanLCHCH 13s13 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Slides show many fragments fused to inside of the eliminator. @CHCHNews #Bosma

I suppose this could mean a lot of things but my guess is, these would be things that don't burn to ash but just melt. Metal things? Zippers, shoe eyelets, jacket buttons, etc.