Bosma Murder Trial 02.17.16 - Day 10

[Gibson67]

I suppose this could mean a lot of things but my guess is, these would be things that don't burn to ash but just melt. Metal things? Zippers, shoe eyelets, jacket buttons, etc.

wedding band?

 

[redheart]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 43s43 seconds ago
Huys describing long, pole-like item found with Eliminator. Dungey objects, calls it speculation. Crown disagrees. Judge allows description.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes now
Crown asks Huys to describe a long rod with flat metal end that was attached to the eliminator. Dungey objects, says it is speculation.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4s4 seconds ago
Done for the day. Huys back on stand for cross-examination in the morning.

 

[Velma]

Feb 17 2016 4:17 PM
Now we're seeing the space under the concrete bars of the Eliminator. The far end seems to show where the heat source would come from.

Feb 17 2016 4:22 PM
Crown now finished its examination.

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

I suppose this could mean a lot of things but my guess is, these would be things that don't burn to ash but just melt. Metal things? Zippers, shoe eyelets, jacket buttons, etc.

I think you are right. To fuse to the incinerator the items would have had to be something that was able to melt. MOO

 

[Velma]

Feb 17 2016 4:23 PM
Cross examination will come tomorrow morning.

Feb 17 2016 4:24 PM
Jury excused. We're done until tomorrow.

 

[redwing7225]

There was something I was thinking about last night, the way we all keep saying how strong Sharlene is. I can't but help but wonder if that's just something we tell ourselves because it makes us feel better to think she's strong and coping and can stare down Dellen Millard. My significant other is thin and blond and blue-eyed and boyish-faced like Tim, and he's gone on test drives from Craigslist while selling a car. If this happened to me, I'd like to think I could be 'strong' and stare down Dellen Millard and find some way to get through it, but I suspect I would just be crumbling and dying and furious inside, especially during the trial. My heart goes out to her so much.

Faith, support, therapy and perhaps some medication. She is coping, doing the best she can given the circumstances. There's many that hide their pain behind a beautiful smile...quite certain she is one of them. Blessings to her and family.

 

[redheart]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Crown asks Huys to describe a long rod with flat metal end that was attached to the eliminator. Dungey objects, says it is speculation.


What is this? Some sort of stoker/poker?

But why would Dungey object, and not Pillay? Unless he was just the quickest..

 

[andreww]

With DM being from the city, he would never think of this. Everyone in the country or from a small village or town knows everyone else's business. If they see something odd, they will investigate it. I agree with you, it would have been more private on the Maplegate property.

I don't think you recall how big a story this was at the time and how media was covering it. Did anybody come forward and say they saw a fire? Did anyone say the saw the incinerator? Nope, not a word until cops actually descended upon Millards farm. If not for that, nobody would have seen or noticed a thing.

 

[redheart]

I don't think you recall how big a story this was at the time and how media was covering it. Did anybody come forward and say they saw a fire? Did anyone say the saw the incinerator? Nope, not a word until cops actually descended upon Millards farm. If not for that, nobody would have seen or noticed a thing.

Actually, flipflop was here, following the media along with many of us. We know how big the story was. Someone did post a picture of the Eliminator on twitter. There was a big uproar here from <modsnip>, vilifying the <modsnip> neighbours.

 

[Gibson67]

I don't think you recall how big a story this was at the time and how media was covering it. Did anybody come forward and say they saw a fire? Did anyone say the saw the incinerator? Nope, not a word until cops actually descended upon Millards farm. If not for that, nobody would have seen or noticed a thing.

maybe we just have not heard from that witness yet...there have been quite a few so far that we did not know contacted police..neighbor by Bosma. AJ. Dirt Bike guy..maybe we just don't know yet.

 

[Velma]

I don't think you recall how big a story this was at the time and how media was covering it. Did anybody come forward and say they saw a fire? Did anyone say the saw the incinerator? Nope, not a word until cops actually descended upon Millards farm. If not for that, nobody would have seen or noticed a thing.

Do we know for sure that no one saw anything and called in a tip (Crimestoppers or otherwise)?

 

[canadiangirl]

For a CN to be out there in the dark in the bush helping her boyfriend park this thing..you've got to be some kind of something..this is just creepy beyond creepy. speaking of the ELIMINATOR

Uh huh. I'd be afraid to know ANYTHING about ANYTHING. I'd be afraid I'd be next.

 

[Velma]

Actually, flipflop was here, following the media along with many of us. We know how big the story was. Someone did post a picture of the Eliminator on twitter. There was a big uproar here from <modsnip>, vilifying the nosy neighbours.

Is that the time when the threads were all locked, effectively shut down? Did <modsnip> cause that?

 

[redheart]

Is that the time when the threads were all locked, effectively shut down? Did <modsnip> cause that?

That's happened a number of times, but I can't recall if it happened when they were going on and on about how terrible those nosy neighbours were for snooping on DM's property.

 

[Ontario Mom]

Actually, flipflop was here, following the media along with many of us. We know how big the story was. Someone did post a picture of the Eliminator on twitter. There was a big uproar here from <modsnip>, vilifying the nosy neighbours.

I remember the pic being posted on SM and then it disappearing real quick. Now I'm wondering, if the source wasn't the same witness that testified today?

 

[andreww]

Actually, flipflop was here, following the media along with many of us. We know how big the story was. Someone did post a picture of the Eliminator on twitter. There was a big uproar here from <modsnip>, vilifying the nosy neighbours.

You sure it wasn't the guy that testified today? He said he took pics of it on the 10th. He was from Toronto too

 

[redheart]

You sure it wasn't the guy that testified today? He said he took pics of it on the 10th. He was from Toronto too

No, I'm not sure. Maybe we'll find out.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Actually, flipflop was here, following the media along with many of us. We know how big the story was. Someone did post a picture of the Eliminator on twitter. There was a big uproar here from <modsnip>, vilifying the nosy neighbours.

I think that was the reason for the long legal arguments delay this morning - likely a last ditch attempt by the legal team to prevent the incinerator evidence from being entered because it was discovered by a "trespasser".

However, given the biker's assurance that he paid for the right to use the land with beer "cold and open, properly" - meaning sitting down with the farmer and sharing - there was a real agreement between the man that rented DM's land and the biker. Basically DM gave up his right to privacy on his land by renting it out, and that renter gave permission for the biker to be on the land.

There was a lot of discussion by DM's supporters way back when that the biker's testimony and the discovery of the incinerator should be excluded because the biker was trespassing. Apparently, he wasn't - he had a right to be there.

 

[palisadesk]

But I see no conceivable reason why he would have killed either Babcock or Bosma?

I don't know about Babcock -- but he did have a relationship with her, so there could have been something not immediately obvious to outsiders.

As to Bosma, no, no reasonable motive whatever (and clearly it was done immediately- all the more idiosyncratic and motive-less). I posted earlier about the infamous Loeb-Leopold case, and think there could be clues there. Those two young men wanted to commit the "perfect crime" and part of that entailed not having a motive. It was also a "thrill kill" as such types of crime have been called. At the time it was the "Crime of the Century" and immortalized in a non-fiction novel, Compulsion, by Meyer Levin.

Another similarity, the perpetrators were not nearly so smart as they thought they were and they left clues all over the place and were quickly picked up.

One more similarity, one was the leader, the other the follower. Some types of pathology defeat any attempt to "understand" them; best not to go there.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that it was actually the witness that testified today, that posted that pic. While he himself wasn't the neighbor to the farm in Ayr, his FRIEND was, and that's why he was there, hanging out with a friend, dirt-biking.