Bosma Murder Trial 02.18.16 - Day 11

[ThelmaLouise]

FWIW (I'm not an expert in forensic anthropology in any way, shape or form), but the skull is made up of 22 bones....fairly small and thin.....I wouldn't expect these to really be intact.

Also, I believe it was the humerus that was somewhat intact (although warped by the heat), not the radius.....

You bring up an interesting point though....the femur....being the largest bone....don't recall any testimony about them.....so you may be onto something? It does seem like they tried to clean out the incinerator, but obviously didn't do such a great job....maybe the location of these more intact bones were due to them being in a more difficult location to clean out?

Correct about the humerus. Since I was paying half attention, I guess I am not wording my questions correctly. What you stated about the bones being in a more difficult location, ...that is what I was gearing towards. If they found the humerus intact, then there is possibly some other bones also intact, that might of been carried out elsewhere. It almost sounds like DM might of been spooked off while cleaning out the incinerator. Maybe headlights pulled in the drive, or he heard something that made the job a rush. After all, it seems like the 'sleepy' farm property, wasn`t all that sleepy.

Yes the skull is many bones fused, but from previous self-education, when those bones are fractured or broken, they tend to follow certain fault lines because the skull is not uniform in thickness. I guess I had the thought of missing bones, and what pieces might still be intact ? A possible skull piece with evidence of a bullet exiting would of answered some questions about the events of the actual shooting, I imagine. Also anything like a femur or rib might of answered some thoughts about how humane his death may of been. Sorry ahead of time for any visuals.
Since the testimony today from Dr.Rogers states that she was trying to give as many cremains as possible back to the Bosma family, I guess what they found in the incinerator, is all they found ? Or not ?

 

[flipflop]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 23s23 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
Hank Bosma follows Dr. Rogers out of the courtroom. Through the glass door, we see him embrace her in a hug #Bosma

Pass the tissues!!! Kudos to Dr Rogers, an amazingly caring woman with a heart of gold!!!!!

 

[flipflop]

Since when is diesel hard to get?

Does he mean that he could not find any diesel trucks to steal at the time?

 

[Sillybilly]

Pass the tissues!!! Kudos to Dr Rogers, an amazingly caring woman with a heart of gold!!!!!

And to Hank Bosma to have such caring for another human being while experiencing his own grief. This is the type of man who raised a boy named Tim Bosma.

 

[MsSherlock]

That report has always been a mystery because I believe it was at the time when LE from Toronto were at the farm searching for clues about LB's disappearance. However they said they found no evidence for her. I would have thought if more remains were found for TB, it would have been part of this forensic pathologists testimony?

MOO

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IMO, Rogers was brought in to determine if the contents of the incinerator and burn sites contained bones that were human and if they could have been those of TB. I did catch in one of the tweets that it would require a forensic biologist to determine actual identity, so perhaps if there were more remains found, they were sent for this type of identification. Also, I don't think they can mention anything about LB or any other crime unrelated to TB during this trial. I'm also thinking that we'll hear from a lot more forensic experts over the weeks to come. MOO

 

[jash]

Thanks to everyone for spelling out the follow-the-trucks game.

So they were highly motivated to get a truck AND a new trailer built with a short deadline (Baja in late May).

Buying a truck wasn't feasible, so it had to be theft and murder.

Millard was able to pay $15k for the incinerator in summer 2012, but not $25k for a truck he REALLY wanted, less than a year later. Definitely confused about the financial situation.

IMO, the biggest issue DM may have run into was the death of WM and the impact that may have had on DM's access to cash. I'm sure we're going to hear from bankers and accountants that will shed some light into DM's financial well being. MOO

According to my notes, the Distillery District condo that closed that week was paid for in cash... $627,000. So it doesn't sound like cash was an issue for DM at that time.

 

[flipflop]

Okay so he bought the red Ram truck he used to go on the 2012 Baja trip shortly before the trip? So he bought it used? :waitasec:

I still believe the motive here was to get another truck to get to that 45th annual race by the 15th of May.

MOO

ETA: Okay it looks like he bought it in 2008. So did he go to Baja another time prior to 2012? I can't remember what we researched on this.

Legally bought it?

I remember looking into the Baja race coming up in May, IIRC we did see that DM was registered to race.

 

[Gibson67]

That report has always been a mystery because I believe it was at the time when LE from Toronto were at the farm searching for clues about LB's disappearance. However they said they found no evidence for her. I would have thought if more remains were found for TB, it would have been part of this forensic pathologists testimony?

MOO

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There are reports more remains have been found on the farm near Ayr that belongs to the man charged in Tim Bosma’s murder.

It’s unclear if the remains are human or animal.

Police confirm they have now wrapped up their forensic investigation on properties in Waterloo region owned by Dellen Millard.

this came out on May 20th 2013..it was still while they were at the farm for TB
http://www.chch.com/reports-more-remains-found-on-millard-farm/

 

[Kamille]

According to my notes, the Distillery District condo that closed that week was paid for in cash... $627,000. So it doesn't sound like cash was an issue for DM at that time.

Unless that purchase, which was actually done in April, maxed out all available cash for Millard Properties, likely owned by DM. Not to be confused with MillardAir, which was owned by his father and may have still been in probate?

MOO

 

[Kamille]

There are reports more remains have been found on the farm near Ayr that belongs to the man charged in Tim Bosma’s murder.

It’s unclear if the remains are human or animal.

Police confirm they have now wrapped up their forensic investigation on properties in Waterloo region owned by Dellen Millard.

this came out on May 20th 2013..it was still while they were at the farm for TB
http://www.chch.com/reports-more-remains-found-on-millard-farm/

Hmmm...thanks for that. I always thought that report was after TO LE went to the farm. So...maybe more remains found by Hamilton LE, but Toronto LE say no evidence was found by them.

Interesting.

MOO

 

[Gibson67]

Hmmm...thanks for that. I always thought that report was after TO LE went to the farm. So...maybe more remains found by Hamilton LE, but Toronto LE say no evidence was found by them.

Interesting.

MOO

lets hope they did find them and they are not still buried on that farm somewhere and that the family was able to get all of him back

 

[flipflop]

Feb 18 2016 2:07 PM
Ayr is also the area where the incinerator was found.

Feb 18 2016 2:08 PM
Back in 2013, Snider also had a cash crop on Rosedale Road. He spoke with police on May 13, 2013.

Feb 18 2016 2:09 PM
He leased land on a property in Ayr. Initially he leased the farm from a cousin - then after two years he had sold the farm to Dellen Millard. So he was leasing from Millard, in the end.

Feb 18 2016 2:10 PM
Snider points out Millard in the courtroom. Millard waves to him from his seat.

I hope the jury waves goodbye to him forever, if and when he is on his way to prison. JMO

 

[Kamille]

lets hope they did find them and they are not still buried on that farm somewhere and that the family was able to get all of him back

I was thinking more along the lines of Hamilton LE finding remains that belong to a Toronto LE investigation.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Only 1 set of human remains found at Millard farm, police say

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...ns-found-at-millard-farm-police-say-1.1335718

Police located Bosma's remains and said they were "burned beyond recognition."

In the last few days, police sources had told CBC News they believed they had found other remains on the property, but they were unsure if they were animal or human.

On Tuesday, Hamilton police Sgt. Matt Kavanagh said, "We're dealing with one set of human remains."

 

[lanman]

Hi all...it's been a while since I've posted, but I've never stopped following this case closely. Just never had too much to say.
Anyway, after all this time since the trial started, I'm surprised that something hasn't been mentioned since we learned about the possibility of the incinerator being used at the hanger, not the farm. (or maybe someone mentioned this and I missed it).

On Friday May 17, 2013 when the police were searching the hanger, "The Hamilton Police marine unit was also seen on site, looking at what appeared to be drainage areas"

Perhaps this might answer todays questions on what may have happened to the rest of the remains. I wonder if the marine unit found anything.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/investi...n-with-dellen-millard-1.1286519#ixzz2TahvQfVA

 

[Claroon]

What got me was he paid $15,000 for the incinerator. That would have helped toward a new truck instead.

 

[ADAWG]

I still believe a few friends were threatened with charges. In return to have them dropped they had to spill their guts to not have any charges pressed. I imagine they were threatened with more serious charges than would ever stick as a way to fry the bigger fish.


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[redwing7225]

"On Tuesday, Hamilton police Sgt. Matt Kavanagh said, ""We're dealing with one set of human remains.""

Maybe over analyzing wording but Hamilton police saying "We are dealing with..."
Possibly Toronto dealing with the remainder of the findings?
Or would he have said "investigation complete, one set of remains found"?

 

[redheart]

Hi all...it's been a while since I've posted, but I've never stopped following this case closely. Just never had too much to say.
Anyway, after all this time since the trial started, I'm surprised that something hasn't been mentioned since we learned about the possibility of the incinerator being used at the hanger, not the farm. (or maybe someone mentioned this and I missed it).

On Friday May 17, 2013 when the police were searching the hanger, "The Hamilton Police marine unit was also seen on site, looking at what appeared to be drainage areas"

Perhaps this might answer todays questions on what may have happened to the rest of the remains. I wonder if the marine unit found anything.

http://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/investi...n-with-dellen-millard-1.1286519#ixzz2TahvQfVA

I'd forgotten all about that - thanks for the reminder.

 

[Sillybilly]

This is the trial thread. Please don't speculate on individuals/witnesses who have not been charged with a crime.

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