Bosma Murder Trial 02.18.16 - Day 11

[RandomName479]

Feb 18 2016 3:11 PM
He says they used to put up tree cameras on the property to see what the deer levels were like.

Feb 18 2016 3:12 PM
McGrath says he knows the area very well. He was there on May 11, 2013 to go turkey hunting with his dad.

BBM - are you thinking what I'm thinking???

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 3:14 PM
McGrath says he knew about the Bosma investigation from the news.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
"We'd seen a white SUV + a dirt bike going over the hill," McGrath thought he'd introduce himself to the farmer, whom he'd never met #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
McGrath + his father saw the incinerator on a pathway, when police jumped out and yelled, 'whoa whoa whoa.' Told them to stay put #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 59s59 seconds ago Hamilton, Ontario
McGrath said he'd never seen the incinerator before #Bosma

Feb 18 2016 3:15 PM
McGrath was on the property on May 4th and 5th, he says, and didn't see the incinerator in that laneway then.

Feb 18 2016 3:15 PM
Now a 20 minute afternoon recess.

 

[Tealgrove]

Gotta love the farmers and the hunters! They always notice stuff going on. I wondered about Turkey hunters. That property looked prime for Turkeys and it was prime Turkey season.

 

[Kamille]

May 6th between 21:20 - May 7 @ 09:18, MS phone had no cell tower communication.
May 7th @ 00:12 DM txt rec'd from Whidden location Hanger. DM phone cell ping between Hanger and Farm at 00:29.
According to what I have, May 7th, DM was sending SS and AJ text at 05:55 location mapped as hanger.

Could have been the 8th. I can't find the phone record for that day. Anyone else?

 

[Kamille]

Gotta love the farmers and the hunters! They always notice stuff going on.

There was way more going on than DM was aware of, that's for sure. That's what happens when you rent out your property.

MOO

 

[Kamille]

BBM - are you thinking what I'm thinking???

I'm thinking, could LE have gotten that lucky? But he said "used to". So I'm not anticipating but it would be an unbelievable thing if there is actually surveillance he didn't know about on his own farm. :what:

MOO

 

[Avvocato]

He mentioned using trail cams for deer. I wonder if he use them for turkey a well.
Can you imagine if they had trail cam video of this, that would be fantastic, to see all th players who were there.

 

[redwing7225]

Could have been the 8th. I can't find the phone record for that day. Anyone else?

May 8th - DM phone activity - 00:30 til 00:36 pinged near the farm
01:52 & 01:54 - pinged along QEW (area)
05:42 - txt sent to MS on 401 (area)
05:43 txt sent to MS on 401 (area)
07:30 - 17:56 cell pings from Hanger

May 8th MS "phones" in the Oakville area

 

[DeepWoodsOff]

He mentioned using trail cams for deer. I wonder if he use them for turkey a well.
Can you imagine if they had trail cam video of this, that would be fantastic, to see all th players who were there.

If they did, would it be admissible? A camera on DM's property that he wasn't aware of? Anyone have any knowledge if these pictures would be usable?

 

[canadiangirl]

I'm thinking, could LE have gotten that lucky? But he said "used to". So I'm not anticipating but it would be an unbelievable thing if there is actually surveillance he didn't know about on his own farm. :what:

MOO

I hope the accused are crapping their pants right now, never know what a witness might say IMO
Great time for a break judge!! Let them SWEAT!!

 

[canadiangirl]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Hamilton, Ontario
McGrath + his father saw the incinerator on a pathway, when police jumped out and yelled, 'whoa whoa whoa.' Told them to stay put #Bosma

<rsbm>

can imagine the kid and his dad were crapping their pants too, imagine, him and his dad with guns, going about their business, police finding an incinerator, has to be a tense moment!!

 

[JPC]

Feb 18 2016 2:44 PM
Seibert says he was bringing the horses in on Tuesday or Wednesday night on the week of the 11th of May. "I had seen some flashlights bouncing off the silo at the back of the barn," he said he told police.

Feb 18 2016 2:45 PM
This was around 11 or 11:30 at night, he says.

Feb 18 2016 2:45 PM
"Had you seen that sort of activity there before?" Fraser asks. "No," Seibert says.

Feb 18 2016 2:46 PM
He said he was concerned about people breaking in, so he drove around his buildings. He didn't see anyone around in the area, so he went back home.

Feb 18 2016 2:47 PM
Crown is done. No questions from the defence. He's excused.

My daughter attended a sleepover equestrian camp that is very close to this property. I felt sick dropping her off 4 weeks after TB'S remains were found so close by.

 

[Kamille]

May 8th - DM phone activity - 00:30 til 00:36 pinged near the farm
01:52 & 01:54 - pinged along QEW (area)
05:42 - txt sent to MS on 401 (area)
05:43 txt sent to MS on 401 (area)
07:30 - 17:56 cell pings from Hanger

May 8th MS "phones" in the Oakville area

Thanks. Do you have a link to the evidence map for that date? For some reason I think ABro missed posting that one on her site. Or I'm just not seeing it?

 

[MsSherlock]

BBM - are you thinking what I'm thinking???

So as of right now there's the dirt biker, the horse farmer, the dairy farmer, the cash cropper and the hunter- and chances are DM didn't have a clue that they were all paying attention to their surroundings MOO

 

[palisadesk]

If they did, would it be admissible? A camera on DM's property that he wasn't aware of? Anyone have any knowledge if these pictures would be usable?

I am hypothesizing, but suspect that "implied consent" would factor in here. These hunters had access to the property for their hunting activities from the previous owner (Snider) and it was still operational after DM's ownership (2 years previous), whether explicitly or not. Hence, implicit consent. Snider, then by inference DM, consented to their hunting turkey and deer, and by extension to whatever reasonable activities this involved, for example setting up a temporary campsite, cameras, whatever. Some things, like right of way over a property, continue from year to year and have to be explicitly terminated. If they go on long enough, they can't be explicitly terminated (in some jurisdictions, anyway).

 

[Juballee]

I'm thinking, could LE have gotten that lucky? But he said "used to". So I'm not anticipating but it would be an unbelievable thing if there is actually surveillance he didn't know about on his own farm. :what:

MOO

I have similar tree cameras. They take still photos with a flash, so if they were operational at the time, it would have been highly noticeable to anyone present, in my opinion.

 

[Kamille]

Feb 18 2016 3:39 PM
Court now resuming. The jury is being recalled.

Feb 18 2016 3:41 PM
McGrath still in the witness box. "Had you ever seen any farm animals on the property at any time?" Fraser asks. "No," he responds.

Feb 18 2016 3:42 PM
Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak now cross examining.

Feb 18 2016 3:42 PM
McGrath says there was a gate to the property, but that it "was never locked."

Feb 18 2016 3:43 PM
"All the times you went hunting, nobody ever interfered with your ability to hunt?" Sachak asks. "No," McGrath says.

Feb 18 2016 3:44 PM
He was also on the farm on April 25. Four deer came out of the woods then.

Feb 18 2016 3:46 PM
He says he was also on the farm on several occasions between then and May. Again, McGrath says, nobody said to get off the property. He also says again the gate wasn't locked.

 

[MsSherlock]

More riveting cross examination- I guess maybe if DM knew so many people accessed the property he may have done things differently- perhaps the lack of restrictive access to his farm was simply a result of his ignorance. MOO

 

[ArianeEmory]

The defense strategy doesn't get any less annoying no matter how predictable it is.

 

[JPC]

Gotta love the farmers and the hunters! They always notice stuff going on. I wondered about Turkey hunters. That property looked prime for Turkeys and it was prime Turkey season.

I own a motion sensor bird cam and put it up at my parents farm to capture Great Horned Owls. We have captured all kinds of interesting activity including trespassers and hunters. I live in Toronto and had it in my yard to see birds and caught a neighbour stealing my herbs : )