Bosma Murder Trial 02.24.16 - Day 14

[ADAWG]

Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 8m8 minutes ago
New #photo of Mark Smich, accused in #TimBosma murder, shown to jury; police surveillance photo of him w/ girlfriend

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Wow that young girl can't be much more than 15.


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[Stratocaster]

With all the testimony of finances today it's MOO that WM wanted to go big, and build a prosperous, legitimate business at the hangar. The last sentence in his obituary penned by DM just sickens me

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=161695472

 

[redheart]

Wow that young girl can't be much more than 15.


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She's almost 22.

 

[SnooperDuper]

WM and MB had divorced over a decade prior. CM was still alive. IMHO, from the moment CM died, so did the Millardair of old. WM was building a new Millardair with his own money and as we had suspected, but just got confirmation today, 3.7 worth of the Banks money. AFAIK, MB did not have anything to do with Millardair until WM died. If there are any links out there indicating she did, I'd love to see them All I know is that she was with DM at WM's house the night WM was found dead. MOO

Remember, DM wants to buy mom a brand new Tesla http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...rn-to-world-of-fast-cars-and-exotic-adventure

Seems DM and MB were closer than once thought...he really wanted to make sure that she was provided for.

I doubt WM was showering his ex with paycheques and cars.

 

[sleuther76]

But his involvement was clearly before and after. What's more the only 'hard' evidence they have against MS is the cell phone records. However, at this point we have no conclusive evidence that the "smich phone" actually belonged to MS.

 

[Ironworker736]

But his involvement was clearly before and after. What's more the only 'hard' evidence they have against MS is the cell phone records. However, at this point we have no conclusive evidence that the "smich phone" actually belonged to MS.

...so far...much more evidence yet to be presented IMO

 

[ADAWG]

...so far...much more evidence yet to be presented IMO

Agreed there is obviously reasons they wanted MS DNA and it's not just because of his cell phone pings.


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[Stratocaster]

With all the testimony of finances today it's MOO that WM wanted to go big, and build a prosperous, legitimate business at the hangar. The last sentence in his obituary penned by DM just sickens me

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/thestar/obituary.aspx?pid=161695472

 

[MsSherlock]

so perhaps all the speculation that DM was selling off his properties to protect all his money..maybe the Bank was pressuring to have the loan paid so that is why he transferred all the properties to his mother to liquidate. I see that one property was listed at 4.1M

The one for 4.1 was Riverside- it sold for 2.8 and closed Nov/14. That was the property that RBC had the leases assigned to them and a 3.8 million mortgage against it.

"Update Oct. 22: Dellen Millard’s Riverside Drive property is no longer on the market and the Royal Bank has registered a $3.8 million charge against it, according to property records."

http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2013/08/dellen-millards-mother-sells-more-of-his-properties.html

 

[Kamille]

WM and MB had divorced over a decade prior. CM was still alive. IMHO, from the moment CM died, so did the Millardair of old. WM was building a new Millardair with his own money and as we had suspected, but just got confirmation today, 3.7 worth of the Banks money. AFAIK, MB did not have anything to do with Millardair until WM died. If there are any links out there indicating she did, I'd love to see them All I know is that she was with DM at WM's house the night WM was found dead. MOO

There aren't any links saying she wasn't being paid by MillardAir prior to WM's death either. I dont think any of that will come out until the WM trial but the bookkeeper today did not indicate one way or the other whether MB was on the payroll when she took over in Jan 2012. She also was not asked, and did not say, whether MB was an add on to the payroll after WM's death. No surprise there because this testimony starts treading close to another trial IMO so the crown has to word things very carefully.

I do believe she was listed as a board member on a charitable organization established in the name of WM's deceased girlfriend EG so there's that

ETA: This one too https://opencorporates.com/companies/ca/4435958

MOO

 

[sleuther76]

Agreed there is obviously reasons they wanted MS DNA and it's not just because of his cell phone pings.

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So you believe that they have a connection between the DNA swab they picked up and something in the case? I don't believe we heard anything to that effect in the opening statements.

What if there is no DNA evidence to connect MS? What then? Just a cellphone history for a cellphone that isn't conclusively connected to him.

This all just seems very suspect. On one hand you have a lot of evidence against someone who is not in the witness box and on the other hand you have very little evidence against someone who is. What's more it would appear that the person not in the box cut some sort of deal ... MOO

 

[SideKick]

Have not had much time to post, but wow! This is unfolding in a way which doesn't surprise me (for some odd reason). Rather, it sickens me that these people are - were out there, living their lives while so many are hurting due to their sheer ignorance and stupidity.
Money sure does not give one pure happiness... As in the Casey A case... What a waste!
I am going trust the jury to think thru all evidence, testimony and accounts that they will indeed make the right decision.
MS appears like a little punk. DM... No words.
MM, just too stuck on being the girlfriend and way too immature.
CN, I'm stuck on. Tho hey, she conquered a rich boyfriend!!
Much sarcasm -
Awesome posts ya'll! You have it down!
:loveyou::loveyou:

 

[flipflop]

Six officers were conducting this surveillance.
by Adam Carter 12:40 PM

Smich was first seen in the early afternoon that day. Officers also saw him with his girlfriend.
by Adam Carter 12:42 PM

Then for two days there was no surveillance -- all Oxley can say is it's an "Investigative issue."
by Adam Carter 12:43 PM

Now we're looking at Tuesday, May 21.
by Adam Carter 12:43 PM

Was it this weekend or the weekend before that there was a MS family wedding. Pics were online but have since been removed.

 

[Kamille]

I suspect Abro's gonna come back tonight and yell at us again for being curious about "deals", but the SS situation just gets more and more inscrutable. And infuriating.

Lol...I think she is referring to plea deals. The deal with SS, if there was one, would not be a plea deal because he was never arrested.

MOO

 

[Ironworker736]

So you believe that they have a connection between the DNA swab they picked up and something in the case? I don't believe we heard anything to that effect in the opening statements.

What if there is no DNA evidence to connect MS? What then? Just a cellphone history for a cellphone that isn't conclusively connected to him.

This all just seems very suspect. On one hand you have a lot of evidence against someone who is not in the witness box and on the other hand you have very little evidence against someone who is. What's more it would appear that the person not in the box cut some sort of deal ... MOO

What if...this is just the beginning of a lengthy trial? I don't think the crown is done presenting it's case, do you? Do you believe they would indict MS solely on "suspect" evidence?

 

[Tealgrove]

So you believe that they have a connection between the DNA swab they picked up and something in the case? I don't believe we heard anything to that effect in the opening statements.

What if there is no DNA evidence to connect MS? What then? Just a cellphone history for a cellphone that isn't conclusively connected to him.

This all just seems very suspect. On one hand you have a lot of evidence against someone who is not in the witness box and on the other hand you have very little evidence against someone who is. What's more it would appear that the person not in the box cut some sort of deal ... MOO

BBM
We didn't hear about it with CN either and they went looking for DNA cast off from her. It appears to be that they had unidentified DNA and wanted to know who it belonged to. IMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Lol...I think she is referring to plea deals. The deal with SS, if there was one, would not be a plea deal because he was never arrested.

MOO

And this is where I start asking the questions that get me yelled at.

Say I have done things that should at least qualify me for a charge of "accessory" or whatever. LE knows I did those things. Under what specific circumstances do I NOT get charged for those things, and do the specifics of that transaction ever end up in any official record?

Or to state the obvious, if it's not a plea deal, what is it called? How is he not getting charged?

(I'm not trying to be argumentative or obtuse, and I know this probably isn't the first time I've asked this. Bear with me; I'm at the age where the short and mid term memory doesn't stick so well, and each week we learn more about SS's involvement. Plus I really don't do trials.)

 

[Kamille]

So you believe that they have a connection between the DNA swab they picked up and something in the case? I don't believe we heard anything to that effect in the opening statements.

What if there is no DNA evidence to connect MS? What then? Just a cellphone history for a cellphone that isn't conclusively connected to him.

This all just seems very suspect. On one hand you have a lot of evidence against someone who is not in the witness box and on the other hand you have very little evidence against someone who is. What's more it would appear that the person not in the box cut some sort of deal ... MOO

But they have witness testimony that he was there when TB went on the test drive with two men. So between that and his cell phone history, he was likely one of the men who got in the truck for the test drive. Question is, was he there when TB was being confined and ultimately killed?

MOO

 

[MsSherlock]

Lol...I think she is referring to plea deals. The deal with SS, if there was one, would not be a plea deal because he was never arrested.

MOO

What if SS was arrested in another jurisdiction and LE just haven't told us about it. For example, what if he was actually charged in Brant or Waterloo?

 

[Sillybilly]

LOL, I was thinking the same thing! But I can't wrap my mind around how there wouldn't be ANY charges against SS unless there was some kind of deal.

In itself, having knowledge of a crime is not a crime. Participating in it is. As far as we know, SS may have known about the plan to steal the truck (but that knowledge is not a crime); he did not help steal the truck, he did not help murder Tim, and he did not necessarily help DM or MS cover up the crime of murder (unless he knew the truck was Tim's. I believe it was said that SS told AJ the truck was purchased in Kitchener, so maybe DM had told SS that and SS believed it to be true). JMO