Bosma Murder Trial 02.25.16 - Day 15

[paris_paris]

Wasn't SS selling DM's stuff after DM was arrested?

 

[Kamille]

I can't pinpoint how I feel about SS being paid until April 2015.....

Does not bode well IMO as to how much "truth" he's going to be bringing to this trial. I think we can guess on who he is going to place the blame for the murder in his narrative.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 3m3 minutes ago
The jury is entering in now. Lisa Williams, MillardAir bookkeeper will continue testimony @CHCHNews #Bosma murder trial

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 3m3 minutes ago
Crown with continues questions for Williams about text messages to Millard @CHCHNews #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Court is looking at emails between #Millard and his bookkeeper. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Sorry, still examination in chief. More text messages between Williams and Millard. May 10, 2013. About MA employee health tax, WSIB.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Jury seeing texts between Williams and Dellen Millard about tax filings for MillardAir in Oct of 2013

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12s13 seconds ago
Back. Second set of texts btwn Millard and Williams being shown. Relate to EHT and WSIB for MA (Millardair) & MP (Millard Properties) #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s13 seconds ago
She was doing payroll and WSIB forms. We're missing 2009 filing for that year.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 30s31 seconds ago
Lisa williams and Delen Millard exchange business texts day of his arrest. It's business as usual. For now. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

 

[Kamille]

Adam Carter

Feb 25 2016 11:37 AM
Williams spoke with police after Millard was arrested. Moodie is referring to page five of her police statement.

Feb 25 2016 11:38 AM
"But the business, as far as the business ones, there is zero income on those ones," her statement says. The officer asking her questions then asked "they were operating at a loss -- bankrolling it?" She responds, "Exactly, yeah."

Feb 25 2016 11:39 AM
"If you're going by the money that's in the bank account, I'd say things are getting tight. Very tight," her statement reads.

Feb 25 2016 11:40 AM
Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak is now cross examining.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 16s17 seconds ago
Crown asking about the financial status of MillardAir. In Williams statement she agreed that the company was operating at a loss @CHCHNews

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7s7 seconds ago
Crown now back to the statement she gave police on May 14, 2013, in which she said based on bank account, $ was tight. #Bosma

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH now
Williams said "I would say things are getting tight, very tight" financially for the company in relation to their bank account #'s @CHCHNews

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15s16 seconds ago
Williams said money at MillardAir was getting right based on what she saw in the company bank account

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 22s22 seconds ago
Millard's lawyer will now question Lisa Williams @CHCHNews

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4s4 seconds ago
That was May 14 2013 - four days after Dellen Millard was arrested

 

[Kamille]

Feb 25 2016 11:40 AM
Projected amount of money Millard would make in 2013 was $125,00, she says.

Feb 25 2016 11:42 AM
Sachak now talking about how Williams doesn't have formal training. She is not a chartered accountant or an accountant - she never went to university or college to study to become an accountant. She never studied business management. Has never taken a bookkeeping course. "You are a self taught woman?" Sachak asks. "Yes," she says.

Feb 25 2016 11:43 AM
Wayne Millard was in charge of MillardAir and Millard Properties until his death. Dellen Millard got involved around December 2012, Williams says.

*** I thought DM was "in charge" of MillardAir when the new building was opened. He was the CEO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 55s56 seconds ago
#Millard bookkeeper says, based on bank account, money was "getting very tight" at Millard Air

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 48s49 seconds ago
A text message from Williams to Millard showed that in 2013 it was projected MillardAir would earn $125,000 @CHCHNews

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Cross examination started now

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 41s41 seconds ago
Gives police statement 4 days after arrest. Asked about Millards $ situation.she told them things r "Tight. Very tight"@AM900CHML #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 40s40 seconds ago
Williams says she's not accounted and never studied accounting in college and university or even a formal bookkeeping course

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 1m1 minute ago
Millard's lawyer said that $125k projected would have been more than enough for #millard to buy a truck.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She's self taught

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
She says when she talks about the financial affairs of companies she really doesn't know what she's talking about

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 1m1 minute ago
Williams admitted that she learned her bookkeeping skills on her own. She has never received training or schooling @CHCHNews #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 31s32 seconds ago
Williams testifies she never studied accounting or bookkeeping. She is self-taught. #Millard #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 1m1 minute ago
Lisa Williams has ZERO accountant training. Self taught book keeper. @AM900CHML #TimBosma

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 39s39 seconds ago
Defence says in January 2012, Dellen's dad was in charge of MillardAir and the property until he died. Then Dellen took over @CHCHNews

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s31 seconds ago
Sachak now up to cross. She is not a formally trained accountant or even bookkeeper. She agrees she is not. No diploma. Self taught. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 31s31 seconds ago
Williams said Millard was projected to make $125K in 2013, "enough to buy a pickup truck" Dellen Millard's lawyer Nadir Sachak adds

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s26 seconds ago
"So when you really talk about the financial affairs...of companies...you really don't know what you're talking about." She agrees. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 23s23 seconds ago
Lisa williams admits" she doesn't know what she is talking about." @AM900CHML #TimBosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 25 2016 11:44 AM
Williams says she could write cheques, but not sign them or pay any bills. She could prepare them, but Millard would have to sign off.

Feb 25 2016 11:45 AM
"We know now you don't have any expertise or real knowledge to opine on the financial affairs of a corporation," Sachak says.

Feb 25 2016 11:46 AM
Sachak now talking about how Williams would put information into an accounting program called Quick Books.

Feb 25 2016 11:46 AM
"You would input the data -- that was pretty much your function," Sachak says.

Feb 25 2016 11:47 AM
"Your job was to take this material, take it in a Quick Books program and categorize it," Sachak says. She agrees.

***I hope the defense was not able to block the actual CPA from testifying. Although I'm starting to question whether there was an actual accountant. :waitasec:

 

[SnooperDuper]

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 5s5 seconds ago
Defence says Williams had no authority to sign off on anything and had no expertise for her job @CHCHNews #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s26 seconds ago
She had no cheque signing abilities. Her job was to take bills/invoices, paperwork, and input into QuickBook. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 14s14 seconds ago
Wayne Millard would sign the cheques. After he died, Dellen Millard did that. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
Sachak: "Your job wasn't to question why/where money was going...your job was to categorize it." She agrees. #Bosma

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH now
Defence "If you did not know why an item was purchased you wouldn't ask why?" Williams says no. She would input data on Quickbooks @CHCHNews

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 21s22 seconds ago
Williams agrees that her job was to categorize the expenses not to question them. @CHCHNews #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 25 2016 11:48 AM
There was no income in January 2012, Williams says. There were expenses though -- the hangar construction at the Waterloo airport didn't finish until December of that year.


Feb 25 2016 11:50 AM
We're now hearing about the statement Williams gave to police. She was instructed to go there by Robert Burns -- Millard's uncle.

Feb 25 2016 11:51 AM
She says she didn't know that the questioning would be about expenditures and the financial well being of Millard. "Did you have any idea what they wanted to speak to you about?" Sachak says. "No, I assume they wanted to talk about Dellen being arrested," she says.

Feb 25 2016 11:53 AM
Sachak now saying she didn't know about what the hangar was worth. "There was a lot of equipment in that hangar. You don't even know the value of the equipment in that hangar." He says. Correct, she says.

Feb 25 2016 11:54 AM
"It's not only just the money that's coming in our out that determines the financial wellbeing of the company," Sachak says. "Yes," she responds.


***Nice try Sachak. The value of the properties and content don't count for liquid cash available to buy a truck.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 41s42 seconds ago
Williams agrees there was no income coming into MA before DM took over biz, when she started their bookkeeping in Jan 2012. #Bosma

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 40s41 seconds ago
Before Dellen's dad died defence says the company wasn't making any money. Williams agrees. It didn't change when Dellen took over @CHCHNews

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 14s15 seconds ago
Now defence questioning Williams on her statement to police. She speculated that things were tight looking at the bank accounts @CHCHNews

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 10s11 seconds ago
Williams tells the defence she had no idea what police wanted to talk to her about on May 14 2013 and she had no financial info with her

 

[Gibson67]

just my opinion but I'm kinda seeing no advantage to dellen killing his father..but I am seeing a reason WM might kill himself..the finances were pretty overwhelming.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Wasn't SS selling DM's stuff after DM was arrested?

From what we seen back then (3yeas ago) he was selling off cars ad toys I believe. But I wouldn't think this would be a "pay roll" job but rather a percentage of each item sold??

 

[CJPRINCESS]

just my opinion but I'm kinda seeing no advantage to dellen killing his father..but I am seeing a reason WM might kill himself..the finances were pretty overwhelming.

I think that $3.7M loan would be good reason?? No? We have yet to hear what became of that money.

 

[Abitcountry]

Recall reading sometime back that SS stayed on and dealt with the process of selling all of the DM toys left behind in the hangar.
Is MB's salary coming out of the proceeds and also from the sale of the properties that she managed for her son?
I'd like to hear the full story on the 3.7 m....real estate purchases of the farm and Distillery condo do not explain it all.

 

[Kamille]

Feb 25 2016 11:54 AM
Sachak now talking about how she was not Millard's personal accountant, so she didn't have knowledge of his personal finances. "You were not Dellen Millard' personal bookkeeper." Sachak says. "No, I was not," she responds.

***I hope this means there's an accountant on the horizon? And how could they, in good faith, have allowed these expenitures? Is Sachak blowing smoke here suggesting that she is not his accountant but failing to mention they didn't actually have one? Didn't this woman say she did their taxes?? Wouldn't their accountant do that?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4m4 minutes ago
She tells the defence she was just guessing money was tight and she has no idea what the value of the company's equipment and assets

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 4m4 minutes ago
Defence says that Williams didn't know the value of the hanger on May 14, 2013 when she gave the statement saying times were tight @CHCHNews

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Under cross, Williams agrees #Millard Air had expenses but no income before Dellen took over, when his father Wayne was still alive

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 3m3 minutes ago
Williams admits that she can't comment on the overall financial wellbeing of the company only the #'s she could see in the bank @CHCHNews

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
When she gave statement to police re: bank acct being tight, she did not know full value of hangar, equipment etc, Sachak says. She agrees.

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 3m3 minutes ago
Williams is not #Millard's personal bookkeeper or accountant. She did not know how much money he was making. @CHCHNews #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
She tells the defence when she told police money was tight she was talking about MillardAir and not Dellen Millard's personal finances

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Similarly he suggests she didn't know extent of his properties, investments etc. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
#Millard Air hangar was still under construction at beginning of 2012. Dellen took over Dec 2012. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"So when you're talking about $ being tight you're talking about s corporation, you're not talking about Dellen Millard." Correct. #Bosma

Nicole Martin ‏@nmartinCHCH 34s35 seconds ago
Williams agrees that when Dellen took over MillardAir a number of people were laid off. @CHCHNews #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Feb 25 2016 11:55 AM
Williams says she dealt with Wayne Millard before Dellen Millard took over the company.

Feb 25 2016 11:56 AM
"There was nothing there coming in, and there was nothing to deal with in that department," she said. Wayne Millard went through every bill and expense before she entered it into Quick Books, she says

Feb 25 2016 11:57 AM
Williams says that when Dellen Millard took over the company, employees were laid off. There was a meeting before that happened, she says, they were laid off and given a severance.

Feb 25 2016 11:58 AM
"Even when Dellen Millard took over, the expenses were getting paid," Sachak says. "Yes," she responds.

Feb 25 2016 11:58 AM
The $3.7M loan that was taken over was used to "restructure the business" and pay expenses, Sachak says. She agrees.

Feb 25 2016 11:59 AM
When Millard took over, there was a discussion about what to do with the business, Williams says. The plan was to rent out the hangar to planes overnight. "There'd be a hotel for the planes," Sachak says. She responds yes.

Feb 25 2016 12:00 PM
"It's not unusual, you'd agree with me, for a business to change directions to generate income?" Sachak says. "Yes," she responds.

***Restructure the business?? Show us one thing that indicates that the business was "restructured". One notice that MillardAir was in business and ready to operate as a rental facility. I guess that's a fancy term for "he wanted to keep the money and had to make up something to tell the bank".

 

[Gibson67]

3.7 mill was just that..a loan and if it was insured I think suicide would null and void the insurance..also it looks like from yesterday's testimony it was held and collected when the Riverside property sold..so they must have maybe used the house as collateral for the loan? They had to pay lease 19,000 a month plus expenses/hydro etc and now learning MB was paid 5,000/month..with nothing coming in how did the place stay afloat? You would have some sort of payment per month as well for the 3.7 mill.

 

[SnooperDuper]

just my opinion but I'm kinda seeing no advantage to dellen killing his father..but I am seeing a reason WM might kill himself..the finances were pretty overwhelming.

He just got an overwhelmingly positive $3.7 M show of support from the bank and was nearing completion of the project.