Bosma Murder Trial 03.08.16 - Day 21

[SnooperDuper]

I'm still sitting here reading all the facts from today, can someone who believes this wasn't "premeditated" explain your thoughts on that.
maybe I'm oblivious to how sick and twisted society is but who the H*LL brings a gun to test drive a truck?

A LOADED gun...if DM and MS only intended to intimidate, they could have successfully done that with an unloaded gun.

Why was the gun loaded? Why did they need bullets?

 

[Typhoo1961]

So we know how many people are following along and have interest in this case. HTH.

And now we have more visitors. There are currently 168 users browsing this thread. (52 members and 116 guests)

Forgive me but I don't know why that would be important to know. It doesn't contribute to what is going on with the trial. Just my opinion.

 

[brightii]

Mar 8 2016 3:56 PM
Court just watched from 9:47 p.m. until 10:03 p.m. Two vehicles are seen coming to and then eventually leaving the area. I didn't hear any bangs, though.

Mar 8 2016 3:56 PM
Plaxton says he thought he'd see them heading in the opposite direction.

Mar 8 2016 3:56 PM
Also says the cab lights weren't on.

Mar 8 2016 3:57 PM
Plaxton says the direction they were seen driving would pass by where Bosma's phone was found.

Mar 8 2016 3:59 PM
Plaxton says he included the entire clip because some small lights can be seen in the video. "It's possible a cigarette maybe. It all indicated to me there was some activity happening around the trucks." Lights are seen at 9:55 p.m. and 9:58 p.m.

***So they did stop in this area for about 15 minutes. Matches with the phone pings.[/QUOTE]

bbm

You said this for awhile now Kamille! You are an incredible sleuth, IMO!!

All MOO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Forgive me but I don't know why that would be important to know. It doesn't contribute to what is going on with the trial. Just my opinion.

scroll and roll.

 

[Typhoo1961]

It sounds like they got the footage from the wood preservers place across the road

I thought it might be from across the road but I didn't see any legible street numbers. That was why I asked. I'm not familiar with that area.

 

[swedie]

scroll and roll.

:tyou: Snooper

 

[andreww]

A LOADED gun...if DM and MS only intended to intimidate, they could have successfully done that with an unloaded gun.

Why was the gun loaded? Why did they need bullets?

Millard had killed two people by this point. He wasn't going to bring an unloaded gun.

 

[zencompass]

Thank you so much for posting the tweets from the trial.

You are providing a record on these threads of each day of the trial and that will be so helpful in the future as well to follow this.

It is very kind of you to do this!

 

[SnooperDuper]

Millard had killed two people by this point. He wasn't going to bring an unloaded gun.

Exactly - because he PLANNED to kill.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 6m6 minutes ago
Don't see can running lights on arrival but do see them on departure.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Lead vehicle switched overhead lights on cab, says Paxton. Also appears to be chrome rims, consistent with #Bosma truck. Departs 10:01 pm.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 54s54 seconds ago
Expert also collected video from Eastern Wood Preservers, located 2 mins from #Millard farm near Ayr. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 30s30 seconds ago
First vehicle seen in that video, he says, is consistent with #Bosma's vehicle (looks like has running lights, chrome rims).

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 42s42 seconds ago
Next video is from a business called Eastern Wood Preservers on Dumphries Road which is just over 2 km away from Millard farm.

bbm

I wonder: clever or impertinent?

 

[Typhoo1961]

I wonder: clever or impertinent?

Bold as brass, more like.

 

[JuneBug67]

However...for the sake of argument, let's say that is what took place. Wouldn't that create an entirely different blood pattern than what was described here? MOO

I don't think so. As others have noted your hand and arm extended into the cab through an open window could put the weapon in a similar position as it might be if you were shooting from the driver's seat. Regardless, no expert witness has declared anything definitive beyond the facts that there is a strong case for a firearm being discharged in the vehicle and that somebody bled in the passenger seat. I don't think anybody has linked the blood patterns to anything more than those two facts.

 

[billandrew]

The video testimony today has me going back to the cell phone activity, and as I'm trying to line everything up, I found this strange inconsistency:

On trial day 3, Det. Sgt. Greg Jackson testified that at 10:01pm TB's phone accessed the browser data and at 10:02pm the phone was shut off. This is around the same time the vehicles departed the Bobcat dealership in Brantford. Then, at 10:56pm TB's phone pings at Colborne St in Brantford. How could TB's phone ping after it was turned off? Is this possible? Three different reporters (Adam Carter, Susan Clairmont, Nicole Martin) tweeted this so it doesn't seem like an error in the reporting. Maybe in error in the testimony?

The vehicles were captured on video in Cambridge by 10:26pm, so it's not like they went back to Brantford and turned TB's phone back on at 10:56pm.

You can review the tweets about the mysterious 10:56pm ping here.

 

[Gibson67]

The video testimony today has me going back to the cell phone activity, and as I'm trying to line everything up, I found this strange inconsistency:

On trial day 3, Det. Sgt. Greg Jackson testified that at 10:01pm TB's phone accessed the browser data and at 10:02pm the phone was shut off. This is around the same time the vehicles departed the Bobcat dealership in Brantford. Then, at 10:56pm TB's phone pings at Colborne St in Brantford. How could TB's phone ping after it was turned off? Is this possible? Every reporter tweeted this so it doesn't seem like an error in the reporting. Maybe in error in the testimony?

The vehicles were captured on video in Cambridge by 10:26pm, so it's not like they went back to Brantford and turned TB's phone back on at 10:56pm.

You can review the tweets about the mysterious 10:56pm ping here.

TB's phone was still in Brantford as it was thrown out...would it ping when the battery dies?

 

[brightii]

I'm not sure if either DM or MS planned to kill TB, but I do think the evidence suggests strongly that one or both went on that test drive prepared to kill TB if things didn't go as they expected, IMO.

The thing that makes me lean toward the idea that the murder was planned is in context to what we presume to know about LB and WM having been murdered prior to TB by one or both of the accused, IMO. Unfortunately, as I understand it, the jury will not have information about LB or WM's deaths to prejudice their assessment of the situation regarding TB's murder, but these prior murders surely prejudice mine, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[billandrew]

TB's phone was still in Brantford as it was thrown out...would it ping when the battery dies?

I guess so, but Jackson said the phone was turned off at 10:02pm. Maybe by "turned off" he meant stopped using the browser as opposed to actually powering off the phone.

 

[Night_is_Mine]

Yes if the phone is turned off it still will ping. So even if you turn your phone off but someone calls/texts you, they will expose your location.

 

[Kamille]

Exactly - because he PLANNED to kill.

In another scenario, what would have happened if TB decided to be naive and just let them take the truck on a test drive? Would they have returned it and gone looking for another one because they wanted to kill someone?

IMO DM kills for necessity. If someone is a problem or in the way, he seems to have no problem eliminating them. I don't think he set up this elaborate scheme to steal a truck and told people about it beforehand just to kill someone for the thrill of it. He could do that anytime, anywhere if he needed a "fix".

But the anticipation/thrill of actually being in the vehicle with the intent to steal it after leaving TB's home and the overwhelming feeling of what to do about the fact that there is an owner in the truck that perhaps is not going to be all that accommodating about the plan to steal his truck, may have just triggered his instinct to eliminate the person who was in the way rather than to just let him go and potentially ID him.

MOO

 

[paris_paris]

TB's phone was still in Brantford as it was thrown out...would it ping when the battery dies?

Colborne St. isn't near Oak Park Rd. It must be 9:56? You can drive from Colborne St. to Oak Park Rd. in that time. Why oh why would they drive through downtown Brantford? If they had taken the 403 there is an exit to Oak Park Rd.

edit: No. Can't do it that quick, and the time still doesn't work. Must be an error on the time.

 

[JuneBug67]

Some have speculated that Smich might have taken the wheel of the truck at some point the night of the 6th. I wonder if that becomes less likely given the fact that only DM's print was found on the rear view mirror? It's a pretty automatic adjustment for most drivers I think. It requires a few assumptions to be made, but it might support the idea that Smich was never behind the wheel.