Bosma Murder Trial 03.21.16 - Day 24

[matou]

LMAO Schlatman says DM wanted to burn his household garbage and wanted to burn this garbage in a bunch of barrells. SURE. JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
It was Dell's idea to build it, Schlatman says "it was basically to burn garbage."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Jury sees a photo that shows a makeshift incinerator Schlatman built at #Millard request. "It didn't work well." #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Photo of this the jury is seeing was taken may 28, 2012 on Schlatman's phone. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
Photo of home-made incinerator was actually taken May 2012, Crown clarifies date with witness #Bosma

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 2m2 minutes ago
Schlatman built homemade incinerator to burn garbage from Millard's Toronto properties at his farm

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Millard said it was to destroy garbage From two of his properties

 

[Kamille]

Not long after that incinerator that didn't work well was made, the decision was made to buy The Eliminator. "Why is it you were looking to purchase the Eliminator?" Fraser asks. "Dell had mentioned to me that he talked to his uncle ... and Dell was interested in purchasing this unit to start a business of cremating deceased animals from the veterinarians. He thought he could help his uncle out and possibly pick up other business from other veterinarians in the area." Schlatman says Millard told him he talked with his uncle about this.
by Adam Carter 11:14 AM


Millard's uncle denied any conversation like this happened:
by Adam Carter 11:14 AM

 

[matou]

Burn garbage, burn dead pets, burn everything. SURE. JMO

 

[ArianeEmory]

Not long after that incinerator that didn't work well was made, the decision was made to buy The Eliminator. "Why is it you were looking to purchase the Eliminator?" Fraser asks. "Dell had mentioned to me that he talked to his uncle ... and Dell was interested in purchasing this unit to start a business of cremating deceased animals from the veterinarians. He thought he could help his uncle out and possibly pick up other business from other veterinarians in the area." Schlatman says Millard told him he talked with his uncle about this.
by Adam Carter 11:14 AM

Ah, there it is. I was starting to wonder if SS was going to provide some solid proof the thing ever was really used for garbage.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Vaughan, Ontario
Crown: Why were you looking to purchase an Eliminator? Schlatman: 'Dell' was looking to start a business to cremate deceased animals ...

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
... From his uncle's vet business #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Photo taken May 28, 2012. Not long before Eliminator purchased. Dell said he talked to his vet uncle about cremating dead pets. #bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s60 seconds ago
Now moving onto purchase of The Eliminator. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 57s58 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Crown: Millard told you he had a discussion with his Uncle about this? Schlatman: Yes #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman says Millard said he and his uncle had talked about going into pet cremation biz. That it was a big prob for vets in TO. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Homemade incinerator built May 2012; shortly after failed tests, #Millard bought one from Georgia. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman says Millard wanted to buy the eliminator to destroy diseased animals to start a pet cremation business

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 57s57 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
You'll remember Millard's uncle told the jury he NEVER had plans to go into business with his nephew. #Bosma

 

[Ontario Mom]

"There was a lot of garbage produced from [his] properties, so he wanted a way of getting rid of it quicker and cheaper," Schlatman says.
by Adam Carter 11:09 AM

Appears to be three 50 gallon drums stacked on top of each other.
by Adam Carter 11:09 AM

We rented once from a man who had several other rentals and he would routinely bring junk to the property (left behind furniture, and other household items) and burn it all in a giant burn pit. So, I guess DM wouldn't be the only landlord who does/did this. Pretty sure it's also 100% illegal, unless you've got a burn permit (which I know my landlord didn't have, and highly doubt DM did either).

 

[Arnie M]

Adam Carter CBC 10:04 AM

Fraser now asking about the excavator that was found in the back swamp. Schlatman says Millard told him he was "out fooling around, having a good time," when he seized the engine

The excavator was eventually driven out of the swamp after Millard's arrest

Fraser now asking about the purchase of The Eliminator -- the incinerator in which bones were found on the farm.

Court now seeing a photo of a long green drum inside the hangar. Schlatman says he built it

The photo is from Schlatman's phone.

The device was built in late 2011 early 2012, "before we considered the Eliminator," he says. Adds that it was Millard's idea to build "an incinerator for burning off garbage."

Millard tried using it, he says, but it "didn't work very well."

"There was a lot of garbage produced from [his] properties, so he wanted a way of getting rid of it quicker and cheaper," Schlatman says.

Appears to be three 50 gallon drums stacked on top of each other.

Not long after that incinerator that didn't work well was made, the decision was made to buy The Eliminator. "Why is it you were looking to purchase the Eliminator?" Fraser asks. "Dell had mentioned to me that he talked to his uncle ... and Dell was interested in purchasing this unit to start a business of cremating deceased animals from the veterinarians. He thought he could help his uncle out and possibly pick up other business from other veterinarians in the area." Schlatman says Millard told him he talked with his uncle about this

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman says he might have met Millard's uncle once, when Wayne Millard passed away. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman said Dell told him he'd discussed it with his uncle. Schlatman thinks he may have met uncle once.

Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman was asked to make a homemade incinerator. He cobbled together some 55-gallon steel drums. It didn't work well. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Orig he wanted Shane to build the machine. But says cost-wise they determined it would've been easier to just buy a unit. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
Millard's uncle previously told jury he was 'absolutely blown away' when he heard his nephew had told people about a business plan #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
It was to help his veterinarian uncle Robert Burns, whom Schlatman says he only ever met once in all his time working for Millard

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
#Millard told Schlatman he wanted to go into business with vet uncle, cremating euthanized pets

 

[Tealgrove]

So DM had a homemade incinerator built to burn garbage and it didn't work well. So then he went out and bought a $15,000 Animal Cremator to burn garbage because that was a cheaper option for getting rid of garbage. And somewhere in all of this, DM has an idea to go into business with his uncle cremating pets. Hmmmm??? You know, when you LIE, you get caught up in those lies eventually because you can't keep it all straight.

This is beyond interesting.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman started researching incinerators for animals beginning in June 2012. Eliminator arrived in July 2012.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
(Court has heard from Millard's uncle Robert Burns they never had such a conversation. Had no intention of going into biz with DM). #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
Schlatman says the unit he built - the home-made incinerator - was for garbage, not animals. He says he does not know what happened to it.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 35s35 seconds ago
First, homemade incinerator was built to destroy garbage, Schlatman says. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 54s54 seconds ago
Schlatman says Millard told him about the pet cremation business venture at the hangar

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 47s47 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Crown asking Schlatman about the cost of the Eliminator - about $15,000. Schlatman says 'Dell' paid for it, by credit card #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s31 seconds ago
The Eliminator cost $15000. Dell paid for it by credit card, Schlatman says. #Bosma

 

[sab_bri]

Gives new meaning to "garbage account"

Who Knows - probably was initially intended for that purpose (Burning Garbage) so they could get rid of stolen items perhaps - then they came up with other ideas after the fact. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Millard bought the eliminator for $15,000 on his credit card

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 51s52 seconds ago
Re: discussion about pet cremation biz plans, says that was about a week before the order was placed. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 26s27 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Crown: Did you take directions from Millard, in all respect? Schlatman: Yes #Bosma

Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 20s21 seconds ago
He then researched commercial incinerators; Dellen Millard wanted one for pet incineration, Schlatman said Millard told him. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Eliminator $15,000, paid by Millard's credit card. Conversation about pet cremation business was a day or two before ordering Eliminator.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 1m1 minute ago Vaughan, Ontario
Schlatman tells the court 'Dell' took all responsibilities in the purchase of the Eliminator #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

Millard bought the Eliminator on his credit card, Schlatman says.
by Adam Carter 11:16 AM

Schlatman says Millard told him about the plan to go into the pet cremation business about a week before contacting the rep for The Eliminator.
by Adam Carter 11:17 AM

Schlatman was the one who dealt with the sale, but Millard was the one giving direction, he says.
by Adam Carter 11:18 AM

 

[loveisthemovement]

Either SS is telling half truths or he was completely oblivious (and not very bright). IMO.

 

[Kamille]

Schlatman says there had to be a "test burn" before the unit is used regularly. "You do a burn process on it where you raise the temperature slowly over hours."
by Adam Carter 11:20 AM

Schlatman did the "break in burn," he says.
by Adam Carter 11:20 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 54s55 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
We are seeing a photo that court has not previously seen. The arrival of The Eliminator #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 51s52 seconds ago
Seeing a photo of the Eliminator when it arrived at the hangar. Still cardboard around some parts. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s49 seconds ago
Now photo of Eliminator in hangar upon delivery.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 20s21 seconds ago
Even though Schlatman did the leg work, all approvals and purchasing decisions were made by Millard, he says

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s51 seconds ago
Now looking at photo of Eliminator, in hangar, just off delivery truck. Still partially packaged. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 49s50 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Eliminator is inside the hangar #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 17s17 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Before unit gets used regularly, you have to break in the fire side You do a burn process, where you raise temp slowly over hours: Schlatman

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 13s14 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Schlatman says he did the 'break in' process #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 14s15 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Schlatman says Millard knew how to operate it. 'I showed him how to use it, the instruction booklet' #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17s17 seconds ago
Needed to do a test burn, to break in the fire brick. Schlatman did the test burn without Millard. Taught Millard how to use Eliminator.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s4 seconds ago
Schlatman did the test or 'break-in' burn. Millard wasn't there for that, but he says he did know how to use it. He showed him how. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 15s15 seconds ago
Schlatman says he did the first burn on the Eliminator and he also taught Millard how to use it

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 14s14 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Schlatman says he gave Millard instructions around August, Sept. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 23s24 seconds ago
That test burn took about 6 hours. Start at 400 degrees and slowly turn it up over time. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12s13 seconds ago Vaughan, Ontario
Schlatman says there was difficulty with the initial burn test. Wouldn't burn properly. They got an automative tank, then it worked #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s13 seconds ago
Did test burn inside hangar, moved to outside when it got really hot. Took 6 hours, starting at 400 F, adding 200 every hour.

 

[matou]

Either SS is telling half truths or he was completely oblivious (and not very bright). IMO.

I think he is outright lying on the stand. JMO