Bosma Murder Trial 04.04.16 - Day 29

[Claroon]

Either SS is as dumb as a stump or he's lying through his teeth. Either way, I suspect the members of the jury are finding his answers rather interesting.

I liked the part when AC said, "Schlatman is getting redder in the witness box, and his voice is now rising." What would a body expert say?

 

[Abitcountry]

SS is an admitted liar.
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10h10 hours ago
Schlatman admits he lied to police when they asked him where red Dodge was

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 9h9 hours ago
Schlatman now says "I might have talked to him Thursday night" after just telling court he didn't talk to Millard until Friday.
Etc., etc., etc.,

So if this is the case, sounds like the theft over charge might have been dropped? Perhaps the judge is referencing the other stolen good in the hangar, but not in reference to TB's truck. IMO the jurors should be entitled to consider the other thefts as it goes to show "part" of the reason why DM murdered TB. Because he wanted TB's truck without having to pay for it and he wanted to kill and incinerator someone. Imagine that, $23,000 for the incinerator and trailer...almost the asking price of TB's truck. If DM really wanted to purchase a truck he could have. He would have found a way. There was the murder aspect to this case also. MOO.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11h11 hours ago
Judge telling jury Millard is not on trial for theft of vehicles. Can't use that as evidence that Millard is guilty of murder.

To Schlatman, Jennings and witnesses in this case or any other:
In a recent interview a brilliant lawyer was asked what she would advise as a strategy for clients on the witness stand.
Her reply was simple --
"I would tell them to tell the truth...the whole truth....and nothing but the truth" said Marie Henein, lawyer in the recent Gomeshi trial in Toronto. She went on to say that even if the witness found it embarrassing or difficult, the truth was still the best strategy always.
Words to testify by.

 

[flipflop]

To Schlatman, Jennings and witnesses in this case or any other:
In a recent interview a brilliant lawyer was asked what she would advise as a strategy for clients on the witness stand.
Her reply was simple --
"I would tell them to tell the truth...the whole truth....and nothing but the truth" said Marie Henein, lawyer in the recent Gomeshi trial in Toronto. She went on to say that even if the witness found it embarrassing or difficult, the truth was still the best strategy always.
Words to testify by.

Great advise and easy to remember the truth. SS just keeps digging his grave deeper and deeper.

 

[Abitcountry]

I liked the part when AC said, "Schlatman is getting redder in the witness box, and his voice is now rising." What would a body expert say?

Hahaha....that one is easy....:whiteflag:Tighty whites aren't so white and tight right about now---In my professional opinion. LOL

 

[ArianeEmory]

I'm struck by the way a few of us were leaning towards giving SS the benefit of the doubt, a week or two ago. I'm really glad TD went off the "script" we've gotten used to. I hope we, and the jury, are fully awake now.

 

[Claroon]

I've never thought MS actually shot Tim, but do believe he was there, knew ahead of time what was going to go down (at least the theft of the truck), and never took the opportunity to call 911 at any time, or walk into a local PD and tell police he needed to report something. I was about to say that was his biggest mistake, but the bigger mistake was ever thinking DM was his friend to begin with.

moo.

We can think what we want and I think they both might have shot him--just for fun. I have my own speculative theory as do many others.

I am saddened the judge tells the jury not to use the character references in their decision. MS has a criminal background--Long history with the justice system--
and IMO that matters. http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

 

[ArianeEmory]

We can think what we want and I think they both might have shot him--just for fun. I have my own speculative theory as do many others.

I am saddened the judge tells the jury not to use the character references in their decision. MS has a criminal background--Long history with the justice system--
and IMO that matters. http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

I won't pretend to understand the justice system (any justice system) but I assume there are reasons the crimes are tried in a "vacuum", as it were. Doesn't mean I know what they are, but I assume it goes to objectivity and/or something akin to scientific method. Correlation not equaling causation or something like that.

Is that info allowed to be applied during things like sentencing or parole?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 20m20 minutes ago
Dellen Millard’s privileged, reckless, controlling, fantasy-land life revealed; my report on today's #Bosma trial: http://natpo.st/1N5z5ZT

 

[brightii]

We can think what we want and I think they both might have shot him--just for fun. I have my own speculative theory as do many others.

I am saddened the judge tells the jury not to use the character references in their decision. MS has a criminal background--Long history with the justice system--
and IMO that matters. http://globalnews.ca/news/585372/who-is-mark-smich/

Notable though is the absence of any violent crimes in MS's history, IMO. And DM had no criminal history and yet look how dangerous he became and he went undetected into his later 20s until TB. I don't think criminal history or lack thereof regarding either accused makes much difference in this trial. Now if the other two alleged murders (LB and WM) could be raised, that information IMO would have quite the impact with the jury, but we all know that will not happen.

All MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

Adrian Humphreys ‏@AD_Humphreys 20m20 minutes ago
Dellen Millard’s privileged, reckless, controlling, fantasy-land life revealed; my report on today's #Bosma trial: http://natpo.st/1N5z5ZT

"Usually looking alternately confident or bored as he watches his trial, Millard uncharacteristically looked irritated during the cross examination of Schlatman."

 

[Abitcountry]

There is a huge difference in the two cases when one had a guilty plea while the other pleads not guilty!

If you think what I wrote is all about the plea then I know you have missed my point.
It really is all about accepting the consequences of criminal behaviour in an adult manner that is poised and mature and reflects the willingness to accept personal responsibility for one's behaviour----not moaning whining and making excuses for the unacceptable like an undisciplined child.

 

[swedie]

Clairmont: Defense lawyer’s cross-examination brings drama to Bosma trial

Murder trials are mostly undramatic.


They politely plod along, thick with legal arguments, meticulous questioning and best behaviours.


But for 92 minutes Monday an old-school defence lawyer unleashed a of attacks unlike any the jury has seen at the Tim Bosma murder trial. Thomas Dungey's grilling of Crown witness Shane Schlatman brought more drama than any courtroom exchange since the trial began nine weeks ago.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/6...ross-examination-brings-drama-to-bosma-trial/

Take heed and let this be a lesson to those up and coming witnesses :seeya: to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It is easier to remember the truth than lies. Dungey will tear a strip off you, chew you up and spit you out. Respectfully, this veteran has been around the block a time or two. He knows how to get the job done. MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

"Usually looking alternately confident or bored as he watches his trial, Millard uncharacteristically looked irritated during the cross examination of Schlatman."

Quoting myself quoting the reporter, but someone remind me, wasn't today the day we also heard about DM trying to stare down MS?

Was the stare meant as "how dare you have your pitbull lawyer go after SS while he's serving up my reasonable doubt? How dare you allow your lawyer to finally point out the obvious to everyone?"

 

[Claroon]

Imaginary conversation:

DM: See if you can find an incinerator we can steal.
SS: Spent all week looking, can't find one, guess we'll have to buy one. :thinking:

 

[Abitcountry]

Take heed and let this be a lesson to those up and coming witnesses :seeya: to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. It is easier to remember the truth than lies. Dungey will tear a strip off you, chew you up and spit you out. Respectfully, this veteran has been around the block a time or two. He knows how to get the job done. MOO.

Good one Swedie....thanks:woot:

 

[Claroon]

DM is likely wondering what MS told his lawyer.

It's the battle of the boyfriends. :back:

 

[Abitcountry]

What a day this has been....and I am done. Good night all.fftobed:

 

[Claroon]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Schlatman just admitted he talked to #Millard after the meeting where he learned #TimBosma truck was in hangar. Not the next day, as said b4

Betrayed by his trusted friend, basically. If SS hadn't gotten AJ the job and AJ hadn't snapped the photos and been a first-hand witness to seeing the truck complete with VIN proof etc., they all could deny there ever was a truck in the hangar. This would all be a very different lie being told by SS.

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm struck by the way a few of us were leaning towards giving SS the benefit of the doubt, a week or two ago. I'm really glad TD went off the "script" we've gotten used to. I hope we, and the jury, are fully awake now.

Talk about going off script. I seriously doubt that P & S saw that 100 car train coming down the track. Seriously doubt that DM himself thought that Dungey would have that much leeway in his cross examination. It saddens me to think that a full grown man like SS would be so weak and cowardly. He was so dependent and needy that he was completely void of a moral compass. How much of WM and LB did SS know about? How many other skeletons does this guy have to sleep with every night.

I can't imagine WM didn't know DM had some serious problems. When SS spoke of the MRO and it's certification, he knew full well that all of the stuff he was working on there would have to go somewhere. Before WM died and Millardair had 13 other employees working there at the hangar- getting things ready for the MRO, exactly what was SS doing? Just going about his merry way doing whatever Dell wanted him to do completely oblivious to WM's aviation maintenance crew? Ignoramuses. Can't even imagine the embarrassment and frustration WM must have been continuously experiencing with his one and only son.

So at the end of the day, MB is the one dealing with the mess. The stolen vehicle investigations, WM's estate, putting all the money that DM took out of MA back into the coffers, DM's mounting legal bills, more trials, more publicity. IMHO, when WM died and DM made her part of MA, I doubt she thought that the 5K a month was going to take her to a place where her life was consumed with dealing with the aftermath of her evil son. MOO

In regards to the lawyers. Dungey can pull off these explosive cross examinations and it comes off like it could be in a movie. He's got the looks, age and experience. S & P on the other hand? Neither of them have the charisma TD has. IMO, if P & S tried the same thing they'd come off as arrogant jerks. But with that being said, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sachak rev it up a notch and try to impress the media. After the trial, perhaps Dell can invite P & S down to Barton to do some "stand up" ? MOO

 

[Claroon]

Right away? I have no idea how the timeline would work. Just assumed they would be moving anything that could be sold and sell it quick.
I didn't realize they could just seize an entire estate and assets, that would sure be helpful!

"Under s. 489, a peace officer in lawful execution of their duty may seize anything without a warrant that they reasonably believe to be:
obtained by crime;used in a crime; or affords evidence of a crime.
All items that are seized must be reported to a justice of the peace pursuant to s. 489.1. The justice of the peace will grant a detention order for a period of time. The property must be returned on the expiration of the order unless the justice grants an extension under s. 490(1) or if charges are laid."

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Canad...actice/Search_and_Seizure/Seizure_of_Property