Bosma Murder Trial 04.05.16 - Day 30

[Gibson67]

If MS was NOT the shooter then why not tell his best friend that DM shot someone...I would think that the whole I f'd up thing is referring to himself and his own mistakes...if he was truly thinking that he f'd up by just going with DM and being at the wrong place at the wrong time, then I think he would confide in his buddy to try and help him get out of this mess. I still think he was the shooter, I am hoping he told MM the truth about what happened and that she will be able to paint the whole picture.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Meanwhile, DM had left the truck sitting out in the hangar where various people saw it. I don't think MS threw the phone out the window, I think that was DM. MS would probably have hidden it in his mother's washing machine.

What side of the road was the phone found on? Left or right? I always assumed it was found on the right (passenger side) that TB or MS possibility tossed it.

 

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Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 10 Std.Vor 10 Stunden
#TimBosma trial witness Brendan Daly testifies Mark Smich said "the n____s are coming to get me. I ****ed up." No additional comment

lease: I need help, don't know the missing word. :blushing:

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 10 Std.Vor 10 Stunden
#TimBosma trial witness Brendan Daly testifies Mark Smich said "the n____s are coming to get me. I ****ed up." No additional comment

lease: I need help, don't know the missing word. :blushing:

It's what people of color don't like to be called but a word gang or racist people like to use.

 

[MsSherlock]

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 13h13 hours ago
"These guys don't **** around, they're going to find me. He said he f---ked up," Daly says about a conversation with Smich.


"These guys." SS and AJ? So far from what we've heard during trial, it doesn't sound like MS knew SS and AJ very well other than from seeing them around the hangar once in a while and some small talk. Did DM tell MS if he got out of line "these guys" would find him? Maybe DM had other friends who MS feared?

MS telling BD he f&%$ed up. Sounds to me MS was saying be regretted going along with DM for the test drive because he didn't know a murder was going to happen. His erratic and paranoid behaviour, that would be normal behaviour for someone in his position IMO. Especially not knowing if DM threw him under the bus right after his arrest. Could MS have meant he F'ed up by going and picking up the gun and DM's friend (who turned the toolbox/gun over to him) now knew MS was involved? Did MS confide in DM's friend and he regretted telling him? Or he F'ed up by giving his gun to DM sometime prior to TB's murder? It could have many meaning but I wouldn't necessarily say it goes to prove that he was the shooter, as some seemed to have jump to that conclusion already based on those three words "I f&$%ed up." ALL MOO.

MS's choice of words to BD were interesting. Even though DM had lots of people around him, it seems like he compartmentalized them. Was really more like a master/slave relationship with many of them, so it wouldn't surprise me if DM's extended his imaginary powers to include having "connections" who would swiftly deal with insubordination. Who's going to mess with the guy with the incinerator? Not letting MS off the hook by any means, but I often give him the benefit of the doubt because I just can't imagine that there were 2 psychopaths at work here and I'm certain that DM is certifiably psycho. Why would MS think he f'd up and saying that "these guys don't f around. Was he thinking he did something that got DM caught? Was it being with DM to steal a truck and ending up with someone dead? Going along with DM and the incinerator? Was the whole gun thing like everything else DM did, where MS thought it was his, but it was really DM's and MS just got to believe it was his? I somehow don't think we're going to hear any of DM's friends saying DM was running around saying he f'd up. It's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds. MOO

 

[billandrew]

Going off the timeline of May 7 to 10, these are some possible times that Daly saw MS get dropped off by DM:

May 7 around 8:30am - IMO it's not very likely that Daly would have been waiting to pick up pot from MS so early in the morning. DM would have been driving the Yukon.

May 7 after midnight / early May 8 - the timeline is blurry here, but the Meneses/Smich phone pinged at the farm May 7 at 11:30pm and DM's Yukon was seen towing the incinerator out of the hangar around the same. Daly could have seen them when they eventually got back to Oakville later that night. DM was likely driving the Yukon.

May 9 around 9-9:30pm - this is the most likely time that Daly saw them, IMO. DM would have been driving the red Dodge Ram with the 5th wheel trailer in tow - and Bosma's truck inside - although Daly made no mention of seeing a trailer. By this time, DM and MS had been alerted to something (say, AJ's call to Crimestoppers) which made them paranoid. This would explain why MS stormed into his residence without acknowledging Daly and Meneses was sent out with the pot saying "You have to get the hell out of here." It is also possible that DM and MS had an argument over something, such as how things had been handled or who would hang onto to the gun. I expect Meneses will shed some more light on this when she gets up on the stand.

 

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#Bosma trial: Accused killer lives in a world where loyalty trumps snitching #HamOnt http://bit.ly/1Xgxoi7

 

[Gibson67]

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 10 Std.Vor 10 Stunden
#TimBosma trial witness Brendan Daly testifies Mark Smich said "the n____s are coming to get me. I ****ed up." No additional comment

lease: I need help, don't know the missing word. :blushing:

my understanding is it can mean alot of things in t h u g language but in this case I thing it means cops.

The ops
The police. This ranges from patrolmen to federal agents and everything in between.
Lil Durk: "**** the ops, die cops, snakes"

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=The+ops

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Police+🤬🤬🤬+🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

 

[HackD]

Ann Brocklehurst ‏@AnnB03 10 Std.Vor 10 Stunden
#TimBosma trial witness Brendan Daly testifies Mark Smich said "the n____s are coming to get me. I ****ed up." No additional comment

lease: I need help, don't know the missing word. :blushing:

It's a derogatory, racist term originating in the Southern states of the USA, describing individuals of a certain color and ethnicity dating back to before the prohibition of slavery.

It's since been used as slang to describe generally unsavory individuals (not necessarily of any color or ethnicity) in the hip-hop and gangsta-rap culture. Also, paradoxically, a term of endearment used between friends and associates in those cultures.

Don't be white, and use it in the presence of those ethnicities... or you tend to find out that dental work gets real expensive, real fast.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

It's what people of color don't like to be called but a word gang or racial people like to use.

:blowkiss: Thanks, now I'm able to follow.

 

[meterclicks]

I could be mistaken, but I get the impression that AC is unable to make edits/corrections to his live blog after the fact. I have noticed other errors have remained uncorrected, and one time I noticed there had been an edit which stated it had been made by CBC as opposed to AC.. at the time, that confused me, because I was wondering why CBC would edit out something that AC had typed.

You're right, he can't edit them only delete them once they've been posted.
I know from copying the live feed here on days, I've read something and had it ready to post and it's disappeared, some come back worded slightly different.

 

[Juballee]

DM seemed to be leading in that video, just like he always is.

I thought the guy with the gun always likes to let the unarmed guy walk in front of him, so he can't be jumped from behind.

My opinion only.

 

[HackD]

MS's choice of words to BD were interesting. Even though DM had lots of people around him, it seems like he compartmentalized them. Was really more like a master/slave relationship with many of them, so it wouldn't surprise me if DM's extended his imaginary powers to include having "connections" who would swiftly deal with insubordination. Who's going to mess with the guy with the incinerator? Not letting MS off the hook by any means, but I often give him the benefit of the doubt because I just can't imagine that there were 2 psychopaths at work here and I'm certain that DM is certifiably psycho. Why would MS think he f'd up and saying that "these guys don't f around. Was he thinking he did something that got DM caught? Was it being with DM to steal a truck and ending up with someone dead? Going along with DM and the incinerator? Was the whole gun thing like everything else DM did, where MS thought it was his, but it was really DM's and MS just got to believe it was his? I somehow don't think we're going to hear any of DM's friends saying DM was running around saying he f'd up. It's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds. MOO

I also have been thinking about this - what if MS was afraid of repercussions of using the firearms sold to him and DM? What if these firearms weren't clean, and already had 'bodies' on them previously, that could be traced back to MWJ and/or his associates? Just how dumb was MS, to try to sell on this same firearm to 'Bleach', who would be as equally dumb to buy a now "hot" firearm?

A clean, untraceable firearm is worth it's weight in gold on the illicit market. A "hot" firearm is certainly worth a lot less.

We've heard that DM and MS both bought firearms from MWJ. DM's "Zombie gun" appeared to be a Glock, which certainly has cachet in hip-hop gangsta circles. Was this used in what is now WM's suspected murder, and disposed of afterwards? Would DM have actually been that stupid enough to keep the gun around, or did he dispose of it at that time - leaving these two individuals to now have one weapon between them? If, in that case, did MS "F- up" by handing over 'his' PPK to DM, to shoot TB? Is this how DM came into possession of the PPK, which MS later would get back from DM's friends after DM's arrest?

Things that make you go hmmm...

 

[billandrew]

MS's choice of words to BD were interesting. Even though DM had lots of people around him, it seems like he compartmentalized them. Was really more like a master/slave relationship with many of them, so it wouldn't surprise me if DM's extended his imaginary powers to include having "connections" who would swiftly deal with insubordination. Who's going to mess with the guy with the incinerator? Not letting MS off the hook by any means, but I often give him the benefit of the doubt because I just can't imagine that there were 2 psychopaths at work here and I'm certain that DM is certifiably psycho. Why would MS think he f'd up and saying that "these guys don't f around. Was he thinking he did something that got DM caught? Was it being with DM to steal a truck and ending up with someone dead? Going along with DM and the incinerator? Was the whole gun thing like everything else DM did, where MS thought it was his, but it was really DM's and MS just got to believe it was his? I somehow don't think we're going to hear any of DM's friends saying DM was running around saying he f'd up. It's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds. MOO

I agree - DM is the certified psycho. And he was sitting on a pile of money. MS was the poser gangsta with no job living at his mom's house. Put them together and suddenly the most vile concoction was created.

IMO DM was attracted to "living dangerously" and pursuing exciting, risky adventures. Up to a point, his closest friends such as Michalski would follow along, going to Baja races, going skydiving, etc. However, when MS came along, DM's mind turned toward more criminal type adventures. DM provided the money and enabled the "criminal fantasy" while MS was the willing partner with whom he could share those fantasies. It was a fetish taken to the extreme, and they totally f***ed up.

IMO it's similar to the way DM maintained sexual relationships with women like Lisa Whidden or Laura Babcock. DM basically maintained a criminal fantasy relationship with MS. I cannot see any other reason why they'd be friends other than to live out their sick fantasies together.

 

[HackD]

IMO it's similar to the way DM maintained intimate relationships with women like Lisa Whidden or Laura Babcock. DM basically maintained a relationship rooted in criminal fantasies with MS. I cannot see any other reason why they'd be friends other than to live out their sick fantasies together.

I think it was a mutually parasitical relationship. MS was given opportunities and benefits of the relationship with DM, that he otherwise wouldn't have had. Similarly, DM would have gained access to the gangsta contacts through MS, which included firearms, drugs, perhaps even contacts to obtain desired stolen items,or fence off stolen/suspicious items that apparently appeared with regularity in the Millard hanger.

Either one, without the other, would have had diminished opportunities in the social circles that they were not individually familiar/not entirely comfortable with.

 

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Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16 Std.Vor 16 Stunden
"He snaps at you, right?" Daly agrees: "His mood changed very quickly." Smich looked at him hard. <------- :slap:

Adam Carter &#8207;@AdamCarterCBC 16 Std.Vor 16 Stunden
Daly says that Smich got angry when he asked him about Bosma. #TimBosma #Bosma

molly hayes &#8207;@mollyhayes 16 Std.Vor 16 Stunden
When Daly asks Smich what was going on, he agrees with Pillay that Smich "snapped" at him. #Bosma

ulbm

In HIS circle of friends MS seems to be the "boss" whom one has not to ask "silly" questions. The same with SS when it comes to AJ and his uncomfortable questions. Only when together with the BIG BOSS Dellen MS/SS are knuckling.

&#8220;I was not afraid, but not 100 percent comfortable&#8221; around him, he said.

(said a former customer of MS at Oakville High School).http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/tag/mark-smich/page/4

 

[Inspector_North]

We are hearing more detailed specifics of the events with each witness as we get closer to the GF's. Not only from an accumulative perspective, but actual detail of events. From Daly's testimony, I expect to hear some further detail from MM. MM has not been charged, and unless CN has struck up some kind of deal, she may be reluctant. The fact that MM told them to scram is telling of her understanding of the situation.

The way the crown is proceeding, I do believe that we will hear from a witness that will have many of the pieces to make this puzzle complete. Just reflect on what we learned from SS and BD, along with the scheduled legal arguments for an upcoming female witness, and there is not doubt in my mind that some very (the most) damaging testimony for the two accused is still ahead. And that is the reason the crown hasn't been overly aggressive with the witnesses so far. Dungey does not have that luxury, hence his strategy to show DM as the 'dictator'.

MOO

 

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Adrian Humphreys &#8207;@AD_Humphreys 2 Min.Vor 2 Minuten
Smich was &#8216;jumpy, anxious, trying to lay low&#8217; after #Bosma disappearance: http://natpo.st/1UUBFKD (with video of witness lashing out at me.)

 

[billandrew]

I think it was a mutually parasitical relationship. MS was given opportunities and benefits of the relationship with DM, that he otherwise wouldn't have had. Similarly, DM would have gained access to the gangsta contacts through MS, which included firearms, drugs, perhaps even contacts to obtain desired stolen items,or fence off stolen/suspicious items that apparently appeared with regularity in the Millard hanger.

Either one, without the other, would have had diminished opportunities in the social circles that they were not individually familiar/not entirely comfortable with.

Yes, exactly. They enabled each other. MS didn't have the means to be more than a petty drug dealer, while DM didn't have the connections or the image. Without MS, DM was just a sociopathic rich kid working at Millardair. He wanted to be cool, so he used his money to surround himself with all the cool people. He hosted the parties and provided the drugs. Once he connected with MS, it ignited the criminal tendencies within both of them.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Daly said he saw an immediate change in Smich the morning after Bosma&#8217;s disappearance.

He was waiting outside Smich&#8217;s house to collect some marijuana. Millard&#8217;s truck zoomed up and Smich climbed out, Daly said, but he blew right past him, steaming inside without saying hello or acknowledging he was there.

Smich&#8217;s girlfriend, Marlena Meneses, then came out of the house.

&#8220;He sent Marlena out with my weed and she said &#8216;You guys need to get lost.&#8217; &#8221;

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...g-to-lay-low-after-bosma-disappearance-friend