Bosma Murder Trial 04.06.16 - Day 31

[Ontario Mom]

So Colin Butler thinks constantly referencing the witness as "stoner" is appropriate? Classy journalism right there IMO

Yeah, that struck me as rather condescending and unprofessional as well. I mean, they were "stoners" technically, I guess, but that's the way I'd say it (not condescending, just the word I use) - not the way I'd expect a professional to report.

 

[brightii]

But Daly already testified, (without being led this this) when questioned by the crown, that MS asked him to get the toolbox, and when he didn't answer his phone he had Arthur get it for him. How would DM have gotten the message the AM to take the tool box to MS from prison when he was freshly arrested? I think TD is just muddling the water and also trying to make AM look bad before he testifies, to taint the jury's opinion of another witness before they testify, likely with damning evidence against his client.

BBM

I believe BD testified that MS asked him to help get rid of the toolbox once MS had it, not to go get it from someone.

All MOO.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Not to mention, if MS was dropped of by DM and scared of something on the 6th, it was before the murder. Are they referring to the morning of the 7th? How did MM end up in MS's house before DM dropped him off. None of this makes sense. Why won't any of these lawyers get the timeline correct? Because they don't want to. Confusion is good.

MOO

Maybe a reporter error not lawyer error? I've seen the 7th quite a few times. This fits the 7th's timeline when DM,MS and MM phones ping in Oakville.

Again, Daly met DM 5-6 times before the 6th. Where he seen him wear sunglasses at night and thought he was sketchy.

 

[Juballee]

It's been questioned why MS would have been involved in the truck escapade at all - perhaps the arrangement was he would be paid with a wholesale supply of weed.

But MS was the drug dealer. It's more likely he would be paying others in weed than that he would need to be paid in weed, since as a dealer, he had to already have plenty of weed on hand.

 

[Kamille]

Well BD has made it very clear that he's terrified of guns and has never seen a gun in the possession of MS . Not during the weeks after the murder and apparently not ever before that. Even though we know a Walther PPK .380 gun first made it's appearance, in a photo, in DM's hand, on Feb 14, 2012.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 52s53 seconds ago
Daly has kind of a Bubbles look going on from Trailer Park Boys

...and DM = Julian and MS = Ricky

sorry, this made me LOL

 

[Ontario Mom]

I confess I'm truly confused so Dungey must be doing something right. That said, I think BD's police statement from 3 years ago is probably more accurate than his memory of events NOW. Despite the fact he admits he was hungover the first time and had smoked pot the second time he spoke to police. I know that sounds weird but the events were much fresher in his mind then, than now. HOWEVER, it's also entirely possible MS was lying his face off to BD when he said that stuff about not being there, being scared of DM, being afraid of being set up, etc.

But..... LE never did find any physical evidence of MS in Tim's truck, which I find bizarre since there's no way he was that smart to leave zero evidence.

 

[Kamille]

BBM

I believe BD testified that MS asked him to help get rid of the toolbox once MS had, not to go get it from someone.

All MOO.

Well MS never did get rid of the toolbox. It was found in his messy bedroom. So apparently the toolbox was not an issue to MS, just the contents.

MOO

 

[RandomName479]

?? I don't know what I'm reading, but I'm not seeing the same thing. You have to remember we haven't heard the rest of the story. You can't just take BD's testimony out of context- I don't think the Crown will be leaving any questions unanswered. MOO

But taking it out of context is the only way it fits the DM is innocent theory......MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

But MS was the drug dealer. It's more likely he would be paying others in weed than that he would need to be paid in weed, since as a dealer, he had to already have plenty of weed on hand.

Dealer has to buy weed to sell it. That's why satchie suggested a "wholesale" quantity of weed might be the payoff. MS would sell that to make his money.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

BBM

I believe BD testified that MS asked him to help get rid of the toolbox once MS had, not to go get it from someone.

All MOO.

I understood, MS had called BD but his calls weren't answered. Actually he wanted BD to take the toolbox from the hidden place where DM had it brought to. But then MS had to chose Arthur to get the box.

 

[Juballee]

If MS had a/the gun before all of this, don't you think he would have already had a good hiding spot for it? It is like as soon as it was in his possession with the toolbox, he had no idea where on earth to hide this gun. Like really?! His first thought is to hide it in a washing machine? That seems so bizarre. If he had it before, why not just put it back where he always did? No need to get flustered and get a bunch of people involved like he did unless it was dumped on him and he was scrambling, IMO.

MOO.

I think before it wasn't a murder weapon, so he didn't feel the need to hide it so well. Why would he think that DM hide a pound of pot in a toolbox at a friends house and that it was imperative for him to get that pot back or be framed for murder? That doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Ontario Mom]

What the heck was all that about AM and toolbox in the stairway business? How did that even fit into anything?

 

[Kamille]

I am seeing lots of posts speculating, but what about sleuthing the evidence, or questioning the missing pieces?

What truck did MS get out of on the 6th? Red, Black, Dark Blue SUV??
What time of day?

Have they been answered, and I just missed them?

These are important! According to DT, it occurred on the 6th. Ignoring these I could speculate some wonderful scenarios.

MOO

Yes...before the murder? Couldn't have been after because they didn't make it back to Oakville until the next morning. Or is this when they are talking about? The morning of the 7th? Let's get these timelines verified defense team. Was MS afraid of people before he set off with DM to TB's house that evening? :waitasec:

MOO

 

[mozzagirl]

But MS was the drug dealer. It's more likely he would be paying others in weed than that he would need to be paid in weed, since as a dealer, he had to already have plenty of weed on hand.

If he wasn't growing the weed himself (which no plants have been found that we know of), he needs to get it from somewhere. Maybe DM hooked him up with a supplier and having weed dropped off to MS was normal. Drug dealers don't magically have product to sell if they don't grow it, it has to come from a supplier.

<modsnip>

MOO.

 

[Abitcountry]

"He just kept saying that he thought he was going to get blamed for something ... Dell was in jail, and he thought that this guy might turn on him and blame him for something," one of Daly's statements reads.
by Adam Carter 12:37 PM

MS sounding like DM setting up his defense when he realizes he's in s#!t. Of course he doesn't know then he was caught (not positively identified in court) on the hanger camera or that his GF would be testifying against him. Won't lie TD is doing a great job. Just even after today he's got some sleuthers convinced that he was unaware of the gun in the toolbox. Why not just go to LE if you were being set up for a murder once you saw the gun. Nothing you have to potentially hide because of self incrimination is gonna trump a first degree murder charge....unless you're hiding the fact you were a part of the murder. all MOO

........and unless of course, you have nothing to hide like the fact that this is not the first murder or disposal you have ever been involved in with the same DM. The only thing that trumps a first degree murder charge is 2 first degree murder charges.

 

[loveisthemovement]

Why would MS move home and tell BD it was safe when the toolbox was still in exactly the same spot? It was found in the washing machine, was it not?

 

[Satchie]

I can see why the Crown's strategy was to lay out the forensic evidence and call the reliable witnesses first. It seems the testimony of the associates is going to be confusing.

To me, the takeaway from this witness is that MS knew he was in big trouble and was going to be arrested, and behaved and spoke chaotically, as terrified people do.

 

[mozzagirl]

I think before it wasn't a murder weapon, so he didn't feel the need to hide it so well. Why would he think that DM hide a pound of pot in a toolbox at a friends house and that it was imperative for him to get that pot back or be framed for murder? That doesn't make sense to me.

But it isn't like he wanted a better hiding spot than he always had for his gun before this. He didn't have a hiding spot he could think of other than a washing machine. Which even to me who has no criminal record or inclination, is a really dumb hiding spot.

 

[Inspector_North]

Yes...before the murder? Couldn't have been after because they didn't make it back to Oakville until the next morning. Or is this when they are talking about? The morning of the 7th? Let's get these timelines verified defense team. Was MS afraid of people before he set off with DM to TB's house that evening? :waitasec:

MOO

YES! Either that or we all need a joint to see it like this motley crew of witnesses do. :websleuther: