Bosma Murder Trial 04.13.16 - Day 34

[CJPRINCESS]

Susan ClairmontVerified account ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
No entry fee had been paid for 2013. Millard had yellow Jeep TJ, put $80,000 in modifications into it for race. #

Hahaha....$80k in mods for that Yellow TJ?? WOW my CJ must have over $200k invested! That's as bad as the $8k to build a trailer! Oh my, these people are on a pipe dream!!

 

[JuneBug67]

"Nobody held a gun to your head?"

Ugh with this lawyer. Great turn of phrase in this trial.

 

[JPC]

I agree. DM could easily have gone on the test drive alone as well. Or he could have sent someone else in his place and then went back later under cover of darkness with his lookouts and assistants to steal the truck, IMO, DM could have sent SS to check out the truck and report back to him if it was a good truck for DM's purposes, IMO. There was no good reason to have two people on that test drive, unless the plan was to be in a 2 on 1 situation, overpower the truck owner, together force him out of the truck, and if there was any resistance, then suddenly decide to kill him, IMO.

All MOO.

Not to mention that they had initially had the intention of stealing ITs truck in broad daylight in a busy area of town. I don't know how they thought that they would get away with it, without harming him. In the end I think that they aborted the mission because of his military experience

 

[Inspector_North]

A witness that will bark back at TD?

 

[studyer]

I'm wondering why the hockey questions. Any ideas?

 

[brightii]

According to Sachak, with confirmation from AM, DM is apparently loaded, could have definitely bought TB's truck, had sunk 80k into a jeep, yet at the same time DM thought it was just fun to steal a Bobcat and other stuff DM wanted but could have afforded to buy? I don't understand at all why DM's defense team keeps burying their own argument over and over again with this lame and contradictory line of defense, IMO.

DM's defense are just proving that DM could buy things sometimes, but would also chose to enlist his buddies to steal on a whim with him just for the hell of it, IMO. Sachak is so lost and overwhelmed by the damning evidence against DM, that I can only conclude that he seems to have lost his mind too, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[ArianeEmory]

According to Sachak, with confirmation from AM, DM is apparently loaded, could have definitely bought TB's truck, had sunk 80k into a jeep, yet at the same time DM thought it was just fun to steal a Bobcat and other stuff DM wanted but could have afforded to buy? I don't understand at all why DM's defense team keeps burying their own argument over and over again with this lame and contradictory line of defense, IMO.

DM's defense are just proving that DM could buy things sometimes, but would also chose to enlist his buddies to steal on a whim with just for the hell of it, IMO. Sachak is so lost and overwhelmed by the damning evidence against DM, that I can only conclude that he seems to have lost his mind too, IMO.

All MOO.

And if we can't make heads or tails of their strategy, who knows what the jury is making of it.

That said, whenever the defense team gets extremely schizophrenic in their approach, I assume they are just following DM's instructions. ("Make sure you use the word 'mission' a lot, 'cause that sounds cool.")

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Not to me. Look at MM's colour in the elevator, and when she is getting in the Yukon. You will see it's the lighting. MOO

I don't know how to take snips from the video. When the Yukon passes by the camera, you can see MS has a black hoodie on. When they are leaving and MS has window down and pass camera.

ETA: unless I'm completely color blind, that looks black to me!

 

[Staceys]

Im with you there. I don't think it was premeditated, just an armed robbery gone wrong.

So then would there be reasonable doubt that he was "forcibly confined"???

 

[JPC]

I'm wondering why the hockey questions. Any ideas?

No kidding and MSM has referred to him as single A and triple A rep goalie. Big difference between the two

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

So then would there be reasonable doubt that he was "forcibly confined"???

That's similar to the point I raised yesterday... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Trial-04-12-16-Day-33&p=12465390#post12465390

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

No kidding and MSM has referred to him as single A and triple A rep goalie. Big difference between the two

I don't think he played jr. A. I did a google search for his name and hockey and nothing comes up. Any junior leagues have all their stats/rosters, current and historical, online. In fact, even PeeWee house league teams do these days also. That said, it's likely a none-issue anyway.

 

[Nosey Parker]

When and where did they change out of their bloody clothes (which I assume went in the incinerator)?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Finally caught up after a morning away. Thanks for the tweets everyone.

Now I have to ask, If MB was in town (instead of out of town as was previously reported in MSM 3 years ago), and busying herself worrying about Pedo the dog after DM was busted, then *surely* she knew his trailer was parked in her driveway. Yes?

 

[redwing7225]

Im with you there. I don't think it was premeditated, just an armed robbery gone wrong.

IMO...I think quite the opposite.
Plan to steal the truck as per AM, illegal LOADED weapon taken to the test drive, Mr. Bosma did not return home.
There was DM and MS in the vehicle with Tim...surely with all of their internet searches, they could've came up with a way that one of them would've been able to "knock out" Tim, even for a brief period of time so that they could get him out of the truck and successfully "steal" the Dodge.
There is no reasonable explanation as to why DM and MS needed to have the gun present if in fact, the test drive was set up to simply steal the truck.
Again, imo...I just can't wrap my mind around how the theft of a truck would include a gun.

 

[Inspector_North]

I don't know how to take snips from the video. When the Yukon passes by the camera, you can see MS has a black hoodie on. When they are leaving and MS has window down and pass camera.

ETA: unless I'm completely color blind, that looks black to me!

You are right. I went back to the video and he may have taken it off as he was getting in. Doesn't look like a hoodie when they pass by the camera. MOO

 

[andreww]

That's similar to the point I raised yesterday... http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Trial-04-12-16-Day-33&p=12465390#post12465390

Hard to say. Technically any time you use a gun, you are forcibly confining someone aren't you?

 

[ADAWG]

Maybe the "someone to change testimony, if they knew it would get DM life"
So they knew (AM atleast) that DM was going to steal a truck. Premeditation would be "the test drive" Because you DON'T test drive a truck that you plan to steal! That's a great way to get caught, too risky!

Really too risky doubt it not for the are. They would've found the burner phone and it's fake address, taken a statement and it ended up in a file with the other 1000's of stolen cars that were taken the exact manner. In fact being that it is a truck and location of the theft they police would've likely chalked it up to being stripped and burned on the reserve.

 

[brightii]

I'm really stuck on the fact that AM testified about DM having told him about DM's plan to steal a truck, and yet when DM confirmed that DM had in fact stole it, that AM would not have asked him "HOW???" "How did it all go down???" "Where is it now???" "Was it the same one we looked at???" "Did Smich end up going with you???" etc. etc.

AM was no angel himself, IMO. AM had been involved in thefts with DM and company prior to May 6th. I simply cannot buy it as anywhere near truthful that AM and DM did not discuss after the fact all the details of the theft, IMO.

And "sup?" with MS having given AM a nickname that stuck to him and that DM's chosen missionaries all knew AM by? That to me seems to suggest that AM and the crew all knew MS more than any are willing to let on, as they will try now to distance themselves from MS (the "sketchy" guy") in light of the situation they're in now, IMO. AM is still, like MH, as I predicted, covering his own butt while doing his best to not throw DM too far under the bus. Although, being as objective as I possibly can be, AM is likely aware that his friend, DM, and his friend, MS are likely going to be convicted, so his priority and concern, IMO, is to protect himself as much as he can.

All MOO.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Hard to say. Technically any time you use a gun, you are forcibly confining someone aren't you?

I guess it depends on the strict definition of the word "confinement." I suppose you could define it as physically detaining someone, or, more technically, it could be making someone do anything against their will.

If just using the broader definition of physically detaining, then pulling a gun and using it to tell someone to get out of the truck would not be confinement. However, technically, you forcing someone to do something against their will.

I dunno! :thinking: