Bosma Murder Trial 04.26.16 - Day 40

[mozzagirl]

So hypothetically, if the plan was premeditated to steal a truck and kill the truck owner and MS was paid to be on this "mission", if MS pulled the trigger, does that make DM essentially someone who hired a hitman? Which is first degree murder isn't it?

All MOO, just a thought I had when seeing that MS was apparently supposed to be paid well to be on this "mission".

 

[meterclicks]

"Mark never at any point says he helped kill Mr. Bosma, did he? He was simply there to steal a truck," Dungey says. Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:05 PM

When Smich was arrested, he was telling Meneses to keep quiet. "But you don't listen to Mark, do you?" Dungey says. "No," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:07 PM

Dungey is attempting to show that Smich didn't have a sway or control over Meneses to give more weight to her testimony.
by Adam Carter 12:08 PM

 

[meterclicks]

"A man had been murdered, and you knew better, and you were going to tell the police everything that you knew," Dungey says. "Yes," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:08 PM

Dungey now saying the idea for the weed from Millard's home to be brought to Smich was Meneses' idea. She says "not totally."
by Adam Carter 12:09 PM

After reviewing her statement: "You agree with you it was your idea to get the drugs?" Dungey says. "Yes," Meneses says. it was over a pound of weed, court hears. She says she wanted to smoke it.
by Adam Carter 12:11 PM

She says Smich never asked for a toolbox or a gun when she was around.
by Adam Carter 12:11 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Smich told her that Millard murdered #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 2m2 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: You asked Mark, who did it? And Mark said, 'Dell did it.' Correct? Meneses: Correct #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
She also told police that Mark was helping steal a truck because he needed money. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
She wasn't trying to protect Mark, she says. Mark wanted to help steal the truck because he needed money. "It was all Dell," Smich told her.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Smich helped to steal #Bosma's truck because he needed money and that "it was all Dell" #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Meneses told police #Smich helped steal the #TimBosma truck to get money. She believed the crime was all #Millard's doing.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
"you weren't taking sides, were you?" Dungey says. She says she was not. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: Mark needed money, that's why he helped steal the truck? Meneses: Yes #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
She believed #Smich was only there to steal a truck and get money. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Dungey: (Smich) was simply there to steal a truck. Meneses: Yes.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
Smich never at any point told her he was there to help kill #TimBosma he was just there to steal a truck, Meneses says

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
"Mark never said at any point that he helped kill Mr #Bosma did he? He was simply there to steal a truck," Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Mark says, "I'm a drug dealer. I don't know how to do any of this." Meneses agrees. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
When she'd asked Mark about the incinerator he'd told her he was a drug dealer and didn't know about that stuff. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: Mark said 'I'm a drug dealer, I don't know how to do any of this.' Right? Meneses: Right. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Smich: "I'm a drug dealer. I don't know anything about how to do this." Smich to Meneses about killing #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 8m8 minutes ago
When she asked Smich told her "I'm a drug dealer, I don't know anything about this" #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
Dungee; "mark told u he didn't help murder Bosma. He told u Del did it. HE murdered Bosma. U ask who did it? Mark says Del did it!" 1/2

 

[meterclicks]

Smich arranged for his friend Arthur to pick up the drugs, court hears, and that Smich didn't expect the tooldbox and the gun. "He was surprised and shocked, right?" Dungey says. "Yes, Meneses says, adding that he said Michalski dropped it off.
by Adam Carter 12:13 PM

"Mark didn't want that gun, did he?" Dungey asks. "No, he didn't," Meneses says. "That was the gun [Millard] used to shoot Mr. Bosma, wasn't it?" Dungey says, and Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:14 PM

"You want this to go away, so you're ignoring the reality around you, aren't you," Dungey says. "Exactly," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:15 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
Dungee; "mark told u he didn't help murder Bosma. He told u Del did it. HE murdered Bosma. U ask who did it? Mark says Del did it!" 1/2

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
During his arrest, Smich told her not to say anything. Dungey: You didn't listen to him though. You told the truth. Meneses: Yes #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
As Mark was being arrested, he yelled at her not to say anything.

"But you didn't listen to Mark did you," Dungey says.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
"You get in there and you tell police the absolute truth, everything Mark told you," Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 8m8 minutes ago
"Smich was just there to simply steal a truck! " yes- marlena says. @AM900CHML #timbosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 8m8 minutes ago
Meneses says Smich never tried to influence what she would say, she only knew what happened because she pressed him #TimBosma

 

[Skibunny]

My only word for this woman is "malleable". JMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: He wanted you not to tell the police about Dell murdering Mr. Bosma. Meneses: Right #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
At arrest, Smich yells to her not to say anything. But she does anyway. Smich didn't want her to tell police anything.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
She took his words to mean not to say anything about the truck--"Or about Dell murdering Mr #Bosma," Dungey suggests. Yes, she says.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
Meneses believes #Smich wanted her to tell police she didn't know anything, "But you knew better." Yes. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 8m8 minutes ago
When he was arrested Smich told her not to say anything, but she told police everything she knew, Meneses says #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
Dungey now talking about the drugs--the phone call btwn Mark and Andrew. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
He suggests that was her idea. "Not totally," she says. Dungey says he's going by the transcript. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
Dungey suggests it was Meneses' idea to get the weed from #Millard's house after his arrest. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Meneses says it was not totally her idea. They are looking at the transcript of her police interview. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Dungey has asked Meneses to refresh her memory by looking at police statement.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Dungey has her reread her statement. "You'd agree it was your idea to get the drugs," he says. Yes, she says. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 6m6 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses said it was her idea to try and get weed after Millard was arrested #Bosma

 

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After the wedding Smich was looking for a lawyer, Meneses says. She says the wedding was very important to him.
by Adam Carter 12:16 PM

Meneses says Smich's family was "very close." "It was his sister's wedding, and he didn't want anything to happen to that wedding, right?" Dungey says, and Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:17 PM

"When you compare a wedding to the death of Mr. Bosma, it's a little outrageous, isn't it? ... No one was there saying, 'forget the wedding, let's get to the police station,'" Dungey says. Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Meneses says she wanted the drugs "to smoke it." It was more than a pound of weed. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
He asks why she wanted it. "To smoke it," she says. Agrees there was a lot of it--over a pound or so. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
IT was Meneses idea for Mark to get the drugs from Dell's house. Why? "For smoking." Over a pound. Mark talked to Michalski about it.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
#Smich never asked for a toolbox, as far as Meneses knew

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 6m6 minutes ago
MM says it was she who wanted the drugs from millards home. 1 lb of weed. "I wanted to smoke it" @AM900CHML #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Re: Mark's call to Andrew, she agrees Mark never asked for a toolbox or a gun. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: There was no conversation about Mark getting a gun, getting a toolbox? Meneses: Not when I was around. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
Meneses couldn't leave 30 Speers because he didn't have a key to the apt. That's why he had Arthur pick up the #Millard drugs

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Dungey suggests that bc he didn't have a key to the apt he arranged for someone else to go get the drugs. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
That was Arthur. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Meneses never heard Mark talk about getting a gun delivered to him. Just drugs. Arthur went and got the drugs. Mark didn't expect gun.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey says Mark did not expect to get the gun in a toolbox. He was 'surprised and shocked.' Meneses agrees. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 6m6 minutes ago
When he gets the drugs there was a toolbox and a gun. "He was surprised and shocked, right?" Yeah. #Smich didn't know he'd get gun

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
He told her after that there was a gun in a toolbox. "He was surprised and shocked," Dungey suggests. She agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
"All he expected and all you were expecting was the drugs," he suggests. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
All they were expecting was drugs. "Because Dell had a lot of drugs." Yes. #Smich didn't want that gun.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 6m6 minutes ago
Meneses says Smich was surprised when the backpack of weed came with a toolbox containing a gun #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
"Mark didn't want that gun did he--he was shocked by it wasn't he," Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

 

[meterclicks]

"What had happened is you and Mark had put yourself in a state of denial, didn't you?" Dungey says. "Yes," Meneses responds. She agrees it was foolish and stupid.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

"Mr. Bosma's death was the important thing and everyone was ignoring that," Dungey says. "Right," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:19 PM

Dungey now talking about Millard's legal team saying Meneses was lying to the police about who wanted Smich's cellphone cancelled.
by Adam Carter 12:20 PM

 

[Nosey Parker]

My only word for this woman is "malleable". JMO

Particularly on the stand. 'Ask me a leading question and I will give you the answer you want to hear'.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 7m7 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: Mark didn't want that gun. He was shocked by it. Meneses: Yes #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
#Smich had already told her that #Millard had shot #TimBosma with that gun. He didn't want anything to do with it. But then decided to sell

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Mark was surprised about toolbox with gun in it. He was only expecting weed. She says it was the gun used to shoot #Bosma.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
"He told you Dell shot Mr #Bosma. That was the gun used to shoot Mr Bosma. He didn't want anything to do with it," Dungey says. She agrees.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 7m7 minutes ago
Smich didn't want it, he was surprised and shocked he had it, Meneses said #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 7m7 minutes ago
MM: Smich didn't expect to get the tool box. He was shocked by the gun. He wanted nothing to do with it. So he gets stupid idea to sell it.

 

[meterclicks]

Meneses says when she said "last month" in her statement to police, but she had meant last week.
by Adam Carter 12:21 PM

"We basically just cancelled it," Meneses says in one of her statements.
by Adam Carter 12:22 PM

Meneses says part of the reason that phone was cancelled was because Millard was paying for it, but it was under her name, and Millard had been arrested.
by Adam Carter 12:23 PM

 

[loveisthemovement]

After the wedding Smich was looking for a lawyer, Meneses says. She says the wedding was very important to him.
by Adam Carter 12:16 PM

Meneses says Smich's family was "very close." "It was his sister's wedding, and he didn't want anything to happen to that wedding, right?" Dungey says, and Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:17 PM

"When you compare a wedding to the death of Mr. Bosma, it's a little outrageous, isn't it? ... No one was there saying, 'forget the wedding, let's get to the police station,'" Dungey says. Meneses agrees.
by Adam Carter 12:18 PM

MM realizes it was dumb to be concerned about a wedding over a murder....but was focused on getting the weed back...to smoke it.