Bosma Murder Trial 04.26.16 - Day 40

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Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Smich had a 'stupid idea' to sell the gun. He needed money, Dungey says. Meneses: Yes #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
Then he had the stupid idea to sell it, Dungey says. Yes. Meneses and Smich's sister Andrea both got mad at him. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
#Smich sister found out about gun & she and Meneses yelled at him to get rid of it. Not to sell it. Not to take it to police. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12m12 minutes ago
She thought it was stupid was going to try and sell it when he could sell the weed, there was about a pound of it #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
Smich needed money so decided to sell gun. His mother and sister were furious gun was in their house. Meneses doesn't go to police about it.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses did not tell Smich to go the police, she admits. #Bosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
They didn't tell him to take it to the police, she agrees. For several reasons. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
Why didn't she go to police? Didn't want people to be mad. Dell was Mark's friend. "Yeah and I was also scared." Meneses. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 13m13 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
'I was also scared,' Meneses tells the jury #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13m13 minutes ago
For one she says she was scared. "you wanted this to be a bad dream and to go away," Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12m12 minutes ago
Meneses says the gun was like a bad dream he just wanted to go away and she wanted to ignore it #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: You're ignoring the reality around you. Meneses: Exactly. Dungey: But it doesn't go away, does it. Meneses: No #Bosma

 

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Court now seeing a photo of four phones found at Meneses' sister's apartment. Meneses points out the phone. "So Mark didn't get rid of the phone as Mr. Millard's counsel is suggesting. It was at your sister's all along," Dungey says.
by Adam Carter 12:25 PM

"It wasn't destroyed at all, was it?" Dungey says. "No, it wasn't," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:27 PM

Meneses says Millard had given Smich an iPad, but Millard and his girlfriend would sometimes still use it.
by Adam Carter 12:28 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
Before the gun she'd told Mark to go to police. But he ignored her. But after the wedding, she agrees Mark was trying to get to a lawyer.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 13m13 minutes ago
TD "You're ignoring the reality around you." MM "Exactly." TD "The reality doesn't go away does it?" MM "No."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 13m13 minutes ago
"I was also scared," she says. AFter wedding Mark was trying to get a lawyer. He was looking for one.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12m12 minutes ago
After the wedding Smich was trying to get a lawyer Meneses says #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
"But this whole stupidity, the wedding," Dungey says. "It was very important to Mark." She agrees. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
The Smich family was very close. Mom and two sisters. No dad on the scene. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: The wedding was very important to Mark. Meneses: Yes. Dungey: He didn't want anything to happen to the wedding? Meneses: Yes #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12m12 minutes ago
The wedding was very important to Smich because he doesn't want his sister and close knit family to have a good time #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
Sister's wedding "was very important to him," says Dungey. A very close family. No father.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
His sister's wedding was very important to #Smich. It's a very close family; 2 sisters & mom. No dad. #Smich didn't want anything to go awry

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Smich was the 'man' of the family. Just a mom and 2 sisters. After the wedding, he was trying to find a lawyer #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: In retrospect, you realize it was wrong not to go the police, to go to the wedding? Meneses: Yes #Bosma

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
In retrospect, Meneses realizes it was wrong to not go to police, "It was stupid" to worry about a wedding when #TimBosma was dead.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
He didn't want anything to happen to his sister's wedding. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12m12 minutes ago
Meneses agrees with Dungey that comparing a wedding to the death of #TimBosma was "outrageous" #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
"When you compare a wedding to the death of Mr #Bosma...it was very stupid on Mark's part. And on your part," Dungey says. She agrees.

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 12m12 minutes ago
Dungee pointing out how outrageously stupid mark was to worry about a wedding given the big picture. #timbosma is dead. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
Now she realizes how stupid and foolish it was to care so much about wedding when #Bosma was murdered.

 

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Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
"You and Mark put yourselves in a state of denial, didn't you?" Meneses agrees tearfully #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
It was irresponsible, Dungey suggests. They'd put themselves in a "state of denial," she agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12m12 minutes ago
Dungey calls it "state of denial." She agrees.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 12m12 minutes ago
"No one was coming to reality, no one was coming to the fact of what really happened here," Dungey says. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 12m12 minutes ago
MM agrees their actions don't make her and #Smich look good. #TimBosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: Mr. Bosma's death was important. No one was coming to reality here. Meneses: Right #Bosma

 

[MorningStar22]

Particularly on the stand. 'Ask me a leading question and I will give you the answer you want to hear'.

I have to disagree. We can't generalize her like that. She's been plenty fiesty.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 12m12 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Meneses agrees both she and Smich were in a state of denial #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12m12 minutes ago
Meneses says she and Smich just wanted to ignore the reality of what was really happening #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 11m11 minutes ago
Smich didn't want to disappoint his family. You were both in denial. U didn't want to face reality. Mark believed he'd done nothing wrong."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 11m11 minutes ago
Dungey says Millard's lawyers went to great lengths saying she lied to police about the cell phones (re: cancelling Smich's phone). #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 11m11 minutes ago
He asks her to read a part of her statement to police. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 11m11 minutes ago
MM agrees w Dungee. Bosma family are looking down. Hard not to see the pain they feel over this utter lack of humanity. @AM900CHML

 

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Meneses says Smich and his mother were trying to help her get her licence. "So did Dellen," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:29 PM

Meneses says the reason she was happy working at the hangar is she was with Smich.
by Adam Carter 12:31 PM

Dungey now showing a photo of a Walther PPK that was found on Smich's Blackberry. "It was Dell's gun, right?" Dungey says. "Right," Meneses says.
by Adam Carter 12:33 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 11m11 minutes ago
Dungey suggests she was trying to be honest-that it was just a mistake when she said "last month." That she meant "last week." Yes, she says

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
Meneses wasn't lying to police when she said she cancelled #Smich phone the month before; she misspoke and meant "week."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
She's reading her statement out loud now. In it she's saying 'his phone was broken, didn't have $ for a new one so we just cancelled it.'

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10m10 minutes ago
Clarifying when she shut down her cell phone account. Says she and Smich cancelled it. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
Dungey suggests that saying "we" was honest-he was part of plan to cancel it. "You weren't trying to hide anything," he says. She agrees.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
She told police the phone didn't work well and they couldn't afford it. "So we basically just cancelled it." She wasn't trying to hide

 

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Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey: You weren't trying to hide anything about the phone, because Mark was telling you? Meneses: Right #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
Dungey suggests the reason they cancelled the phone was because Dungey had been paying for it before his arrest. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 10m10 minutes ago
She wasn't trying to hide anything about the phone. Cancelled it because Dell couldn't pay after his arrest.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Dungey is focusing on one of Mark's phones that Meneses cancelled.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
#Millard was paying for the phone. It was in Meneses' name. After his arrest they cancelled phone so they didn't incur the debt.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 10m10 minutes ago
Meneses was worried about her credit rating. #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 10m10 minutes ago
Meneses says she and Smich had to cancel a phone Millard stopped paying for after his May 10 2013 arrest #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
But it was under her name, Dungey says--she'd have to pay now. Wanted to cancel it so as not to affect her credit rating. She agrees. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Millard was paying for the phone, Mark was using it, but it was in Meneses' name. She cancelled it, because the screen was 'black'

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
She says - plus Millard was arrested, so there would be no one to pay for it, and she didn't want a hit to her credit score.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Smich's lawyer is showing court a photo of four mobile phones #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
Now seeing the photo of 4 cell phones seized by police from Meneses's sister's apartment. #Bosma

 

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molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
The phone in question is in the photo. She gets up and points it out for the jury. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9m9 minutes ago
Now looking at a photo we have seen, of 4 devices seized from 30 Speers. Meneses points at the one she & #Smich cancelled.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 10m10 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Smich's lawyer: Mark did not get rid of the phone, as Millard's lawyer suggested. It was at Meneses' sister's place all along #Bosma

Adam Carter ‏@AdamCarterCBC 9m9 minutes ago
"So Mark didn't get rid of the phone as Mr. Millard's counsel is suggesting. It was at your sister's all along" Dungey says #TimBosma #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 9m9 minutes ago
Meneses says Smich didn't get rid of the phone as Millard's lawyers were suggesting #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 10m10 minutes ago
Dungey: "So Mark didn't get rid of the phone as Millard's counsel was suggesting. It was at your sister's all along." She agrees. #Bosma

 

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This is the picture of the gun in question.
by Adam Carter 12:35 PM

We're now taking an early lunch, and will be back at 2:15 p.m.
by Adam Carter 12:36 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 9m9 minutes ago
Court waiting while Dungey finds a photo to show Meneses. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
Dungey suggests they cancelled the phone bc couldn't pay for it and then just left it at her sister's. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 9m9 minutes ago
Dungey establishes that #Smich phone was never destroyed. It was found at Liz Meneses' apt at 30 Speers @townofoakville #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
Dungey suggests she was trying to be honest with police about it. "There was nothing to hide you knew the phone was right there." She agrees

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
Dungey moves on. Establishing that Meneses tried to tell truth about phone to police...Millard also have Smich an iPad.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 9m9 minutes ago
Millard had given Smich an iPad. But Millard and his girlfriend would also use it, she agrees with Dungey. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
#Millard gave #Smich an iPad, but he & gf Christina Noudga and many others also used the device. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 8m8 minutes ago
Millard and Noudga would borrow iPad back sometimes.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
She says Dell and Mark were trying to help her get his license. There was talk of them getting Dell's Cadillac. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
#Smich and his mother were helping Meneses get her drivers' license. #Millard too; he was going to give them the Caddy they worked on.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
But Dungey suggests nothing came of that--"just another false dream." She agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 7m7 minutes ago
Meneses wanted to get her drivers' license. Thought Dell would give her his Cadillac. That never happened.

 

[Prairie_dawg]

So if it was 'Dell's gun' and Dell did the shooting, come on MS where is it? Time to fess up and bring that piece to the table!

 

[MsSherlock]

I have to disagree. We can't generalize her like that. She's been plenty fiesty.

Totally agree. IMHO, MM isn't hesitating to insert to complete the truth. i.e.) MS and his mom were helping her get her license- MM inserts "Dellen as well". IMO, she's just telling it like she knows it to be and is working hard not to leave anything out. MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 8m8 minutes ago Hamilton, Ontario
Smich and his mom were helping Meneses try to get her license #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8m8 minutes ago
Dungey says Millard's lawyer suggested she was happy at the hangar. He says that's because she was with Mark. She agrees. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 8m8 minutes ago
#Millard never gave them the car. "Another false dream," Dungey asks. Meneses agrees. She was happy with #Smich. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 8m8 minutes ago
Meneses says she was happy working for Millard because she was with Smich #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 7m7 minutes ago
Dungey again showing her the photo of the cell phones. She points out Mark's blackberry. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7m7 minutes ago
Meneses now pointing at the Blackberry device #Smich used; also among those found at 30 Speers. #TimBosma