Bosma Murder Trial 04.28.16 - Day 42

[MsSherlock]

I'm sorry, but after that incredible landslide of evidence today, I'm having a hard time picking my jaw up off my desk to type anything. My heart goes out to the Bosma family for having to endure this insanity. None of us are better people today for having been exposed to this toxic waste. MOO

 

[Claroon]

If he did something nefarious at Riverside --- ash or blood pail washing, for instance--what time in the timeline might he have done this? The pail was in the car at the arrest, the hose was on since 9 am on the 10th. Just wondering about assumptions. IMO

 

[mskrisc]

For those asking about MB and why she has not been called to witness or to court, I was thinking about her absence today. There has been no word of her and I wondered if she might have left the country before she could be subpoenaed...... JMO

No, she's the one transporting the letters

 

[SnooperDuper]

So, he was on psych watch right from the get go. Suicide watch? Would they have actually kept him naked or is that just Dell being Dell? The mention of jam and bread right after that makes me think he's practicing his usual creative writing skills.

I was blown away by the reading of the letters today. There's lots of incriminating evidence in them as well as some really crazy stuff. A bit of a view into his psyche. The line about going from crying to smiling after looking at his tat is hilarious!

I would expect the suicide watch is standard procedure for someone coming in on a major charge. I am surprised that he alleges that he was kept naked, though.

I hear there are a lot of sandwiches in jail. DM may have been a little surprised, having lived off exotic stuff like hakka curry.

 

[Claroon]

Are letters not screened by the prison before they are sent out? Hmmm????

I think he may have given them to his lawyer who handed them to his mom thinking they were for his mom. So these ones not mailed. To that random chick, perhaps was mailed. IMO

 

[mskrisc]

Hi Mozzagirl, do you know if there are tweets to his reaction today? No worries if you don't know.

https://www.facebook.com/AM900CHML/posts/10154192558588628

 

[Claroon]

I'm saying a guy in a maximum security lock-up in solitary is receiving a lot of stuff that they don't even know about. What kind of prison is that?

Regular meetings with lawyer and mom. IMO

 

[SnooperDuper]

CN keeping or destroying the letter probably didn't depend on whether she followed through on DM's requests in them or not. She kept them because she apparently felt sentimental about them.

So, hypothetically, even if AM did change his statement to what DM wanted and then the letters were found anyways, AM would have been questioned in court or otherwise about why his change in statement seems to coincide exactly with what DM requested in his letter.

IMO, Crown lawyers don't get where they are by not being smart. To be a Crown lawyer you have to be pretty brilliant, so DM's simple games wouldn't fool them considering the evidence they had on these two accused.

MOO.

DM shot himself in the foot. Once in jail, he first thought to write a groupie (Dejiana, "Dee") for support. Once that exchange lit up the media he fell back on writing CN....and what he wrote her! The poor girl was madly in love with him, and only wanted to hear her love requited. DM did that, for the first time, telling CN she was the woman that he wanted to have his baby and he only realized this for the first time when he was in jail. (Note he said nothing about marriage! Just babies and conjugal visits!)

DM got burned because what he wrote to CN was so new and special to her she couldn't bring herself to throw them away. If only he hadn't expressed his love to her and manipulated her, she would have never kept the letters.

 

[Sillybilly]

I respected AM a lot through this testimony and today solidified that respect. Especially in DM's letter that he said he protected AM by not telling him anything. So to those that said AM *did* know more and was holding it back I hope that puts some clarity to the fact that he really didn't know any more than he said in court.

<rs&bbm>

Interesting because ... we know from AM that DM did say he was going to steal a truck. With DM saying he was protecting AM by not telling him 'anything', then I can only think that 'anything' must be referring to a plan to kill the owner (which plan AM did not know) of the truck they were going to steal (which plan AM did know).

 

[SnooperDuper]

CN stated today that DM wrote to her first but that she left that letter with MB. and the first letter read of today from DM was in response to her response to that letter. I didn't get that feel. I felt that this first read out letter was a response to her being the first letter writer. Remember it was noted way back when that she approached the attorney to see what she could do. I think she was told right then and there that she was on a no contact list. I think her and MB worked out the idea for MB to take letters. I think she wrote the first letter not him. Also as someone else also posted....us women are soft..as in love as she was, no way she was not keeping that first letter from her love if there was one. JMO

By the way..can any of them still be charged with breaking that order? Find it odd that MS got charged but not DM.

As I wrote, DM wrote Dee first and then realized that support person was a no-go, and then started to write CN.

MB facilitated the manipulation of CN by DM, IMO. She kept in contact with CN and delivered a letter every two weeks. She encouraged CN not to give up on her boy. Meanwhile DM was clearly playing CN, telling her he loved her with sparks flying from his chest (and the courtroom was laughing) with a passion unequaled to date, in between telling her that they needed to get their stories straight and AM needed to change his testimony.

CN got dragged into this because she was blindly in love with a handsome millionaire adventurer, who told her he loved her more than any other women (despite the other women). I honestly do think she loved him and got strung along by him, and now that she's been in the courtroom listening to the crowds laugh out loud at what DM wrote to her, the depth of her naivete must be sinking in for her.

She only kept the letters because DM finally told her she was loved by him. He got caught in his own manipulations.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Agreed, The Stranger Beside Me was a gripping book. IIIRC, Bundy was quite intelligent, scoring an IQ about the same as Karla Homolka, around 135, which is in the Superior range. Nothing about DM suggests that his is particularly high. Probably in the average range, though as things have gone on another idea has crossed my mind. I still think psychopathy is a real possibility, but wonder about another condition that strongly influences behaviour, especially criminal behaviour: Fetal Alcohol Syndrome/ Fetal Acohol Effects (different medical terms for basically the same thing).

<rsbm>

DM has a real knack for languages. English, French, Spanish, Ukrainian, Arabic...he's very interested and capable. He was able to fly a plane and a helicopter. He operated in the business world with all sorts of professionals. I think he has a plump brain.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Don't know, guess I didn't know this had turned into a referendum on prison letter security measures.

None of the lawyers are challenging the veracity of the letters, nor the story of how they were moved (via MB, who held I thought DM's power of attorney and could probably bring in paperwork). I wouldn't be shocked if the Crown allowed the letters through to gather evidence.

If the jail knew of them they would make copies and none of them would be missing (and they would likely have CN's side, too.)

 

[Claroon]

IMO Questions from me for the cross-exam. "You say you were so upset at the hotel you cried and drank all the wine, what were you upset about?" That Dellen had been caught and jailed? That you wouldn't be seeing him any time soon? Or was it that you couldn't fathom he had a connection to such an unspeakable crime and you were grief stricken over the gravity of his actions toward this family?

Did you suddenly clue into what the word "mission" meant? Did the meaning of an all-nighter come clear--he wasn't out with another woman, but busy murdering Mr. Bosma and cleaning up?

When news came out about Mr. Bosma's remains being found in the incinerator, did you suddenly put two-and-two together about why he dragged you out into the dark creepy barn that night?

When he took you to that barnyard, did you at any time fear for your life? I mean, wasn't that an unusual place to go in the middle of the night? If it were me, I might fear he was going to throw me into the incinerator in the dark, just as the wicked witch did in Hansel and Gretel?

Now that you know what he is charged with, does it make you take pause about sleeping with a man that had just cleaned up a murder scene and asked you to help him hide the evidence? Now that you know he possessed a gun, and murdered a man for no reason other than to have a thrill, does it make you fear what your future may have been if he were not caught?

Were you ever asked to be a lookout for missions? Was it normal for DM to be highly sexually stimulated after completing "missions?" All IMO.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Don't know if this was discussed, but why on earth did she bother to bring up the sex expedition and other love making episodes? Sensationalism? It's totally irrelevant to the case IMO.

I mean, if you want to give details, how about where you went for dinner and what you ate, where he hid his bloody clothes, if he smelled like burned sweat, or whatever.

CN was crazy in love with DM and just happy to be in his presence. (She's also minimizing her involvement and knowledge for the period of the 6th-10th to save herself.) It's all very relevant to CN's own position. The unfortunate thing for CN is it had to unfold over two days: we only saw her mad devotion and denials at first. With DM's letters, you can see she was manipulated.

 

[MorningStar22]

Are you following the testimony or media coverage? CN testified on the stand that MB was getting the letters to DM. If you don't believe that is what happened, what is your alternate theory of how the letters came to exist and be moved about, and ended up in evidence? Really don't understand what you're getting at.

I'm not completely caught up, but I believe the query is regarding CN's letters not turning up on the other side? If DM is held in such high security, how did he have any chance for the lack of supervision to allow him to read, write and prepare secret letters? Very interesting...

 

[Claroon]

Did she not say they had sex in the truck, then sex when they got home, then sex when they woke up at 6am (like 2 hrs later)?.

I just read a couple of articles about http://www.lovefraud.com/2013/04/26/truth-sex-sociopaths-3/ and this next one that says, "He&#8217;s ready anytime, and anywhere. His impulsivity, passion and spontaneity is so dizzying, and you can hardly keep up. You wonder where he gets the energy. But really, sociopaths lack humanity. They don&#8217;t feel in the same what we do. They require very high levels of stimulation to be entertained and occupied. The sky dive. They bungee jump. The take big risks on Wall Street with other people&#8217;s money. They have lots and lots and lots of sex with many, many, many people." http://www.beyondblackwhite.com/five-reasons-sociopaths-good-bed/

 

[Claroon]

<rsbm>

DM has a real knack for languages. English, French, Spanish, Ukrainian, Arabic...he's very interested and capable. He was able to fly a plane and a helicopter. He operated in the business world with all sorts of professionals. I think he has a plump brain.

But he can't spell or do math. Maybe now he can learn to. IMO

 

[Typhoo1961]

I'm saying a guy in a maximum security lock-up in solitary is receiving a lot of stuff that they don't even know about. What kind of prison is that?

I thought when someone goes to visit a prisoner in jail that the only contact is between phones with glass between them. Was this not the case with DM and his mother? I can't understand myself how she was able to get letters back and forth unless the lawyers were helping too.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Sounds plausible. So, how do you think he was getting rid of the ones at his end? Was he eating them?

Giving them back to his mother to hang onto for him ... or his lawyers. IMO

 

[Typhoo1961]

I hope the real pedo's in jail meet up with DM too

They won't be interested, DM is too old.