Bosma Murder Trial 05.02.16 - Day 43

[hellkat2]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 26s27 seconds ago
#Bosma court taking a lunch break.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Taking the lunch break. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 54s55 seconds ago
Jury going to lunch until 2:05 p.m. #Bosma

Lunch at 2 pm. Jury must be thrilled.

 

[leafs_fan93]

Lunch at 2 pm. Jury must be thrilled.

Til 2pm. They generally leave for lunch between 1245 and 100, returning between 2pm and 215, usually getting an hour and fifteen min

 

[jash]

I'm aghast. I wonder how the Bosma family felt hearing DM's words about sparing the spider's life. Assuming he was being truthful, that spider is lucky it didn't have anything DM felt entitled to take.

 

[Tiggertoo]

Those letters are something else. DM is just so full of himself. The girls he attracts must be a special kind of not very bright and very insecure. He just manipulates over and over.

 

[Elisabeth]

If DM was actually innocent or even just guilty of some lesser charge then his letters would be telling a different story. He would be telling CN to tell everyone to come forward, he would want them to come out, tell their stories, tell the truth. But the way his story unfolds in those letters tells a very different story and it's not the story of an innocent man. iMO

Not sure if this has been posted...he also said in the letters that he shielded AM - implying he didn't tell him everything. Well he told AM he was going to rob a truck so what else was he planning to do besides rob a truck...hmmmmm?

 

[Georgeo]

This guy is a nutcase. Period.

 

[MsSherlock]

From DP's media scrum when charges were upgraded to 1st degree murder.

44 sec's "Obviously there's a story behind it that I can't get in to"

1:21 "there are other suspects out there, from my understanding and once they've been apprehended I think you'll get a fuller picture of what's going on"

2:48 DM's finances? "I can speak to it absolutely, his finances are fine, he's not in debt, he owns a number of properties that are paid for, he was not hurting financially....the police have confirmed he had sufficient funds to easily purchase this truck if he wished to do so."

3:45 Anything to pass onto the Bosma family? "Certainly, as a human being, condolences, I'm sure my client feels extremely remorseful for what's happened, but we maintain his innocence and we're going to defend this."

4:20 DM's mother? "She's completely shaken up- to the point of being, being very much in shock, very shaken up. "

4:35 What is his mother saying? "She's not saying anything other than being extremely shaken up, that she would find her son who she has indicated to me just to be of previous good character, a good son, an obedient son, and someone who's always excelling at things"

[video]https://youtu.be/ZpJcSozmeJo[/video]

 

[hellkat2]

Remember, she was pretty disgusted with the stealing anyways. That's why DM didn't like her. She wasn't into the Peter Pan lifestyle like the rest of them. She didn't even approve of the incessant, juvenile video play.

She got him to get the weed though.

 

[Webulls]

I just read the letters and am further appalled not only by the contents, but the way DM signed off in Ukrainian or code with the fist two letters TB. That oddity I find very disturbing.

All MOO.

Actually, in Ukrainian (Cyrillic alphabet), the letter "B" is actually pronounced as "V". So in his signoffs, it is pronounced as "TViy Cholovik", or "Your Man".

 

[hellkat2]

Well... it would appear DM was busy at work dreaming up his own special version of what happened that night, and who was actually where, and with whom, etc. The thing is, if DM was actually innocent of this crime, there'd be no need to go into such elaborate, false detail to have CN relay for him.

What I find REALLY interesting, as was previously mentioned, is that some of DM's revised history was repeated online in various ways over and over again. Such as, the repeated insistence of their being 3 people involved that night even after LE were no longer looking for a 3rd suspect. Almost as if... he'd shared the story (with who, it's impossible to know - he could have been getting all kinds of mail from people simply interested in the case and NOT on that no-contact list) in hopes of someone spreading it & creating all sorts of doubts as to his actual involvement.

I know LE did originally suspect a 3rd person simply based on the lie DM told the Bosma's, that a friend had dropped them off and went to Tim Hortons to wait until the test drive was over. They did drop that angle though (LE) pretty early on, but that story just refused to go away.

Things that make you go hmmm... :thinking:

I thought there was a third person simply because DM and MS would have been walking up the side of a highway to get to the Bosma house and that would have drawn some attention and would have been something they may not have wanted to do. I saw a picture of the Bosma home in the media. It has a long drive way and looked like it was in a rural setting but could be wrong about that.

 

[Tealgrove]

Those letters are so transparent to me. I am at a loss for words. How can any woman believe all that rubbish and put herself in such a precarious position? I'm never going to understand it.

I wonder how long the Jury will take to find them guilty?

 

[Inspector_North]

This guy is a nutcase. Period.

And it seems he was that way for a very long time. Going all the way back to the days when he was eating dog treats at school.

When you look at who he was hanging around with, it is clear that this guy had few if any true friends. MH stated that he knew DM through family ties, and has known DM all his life.

The tree

MH - family affiliation
AM - school friend of MH
CN - school friend of MH and AM

Other folks that acted as lookouts on missions are all affiliated with the above 3, except for MS.

This guy was seen as an odd ball years ago. He needed to leverage his access to money and drugs to keep friends. In his letter he even suggests he would buy CN a car to keep her loyal. Something he has been doing successfully for years.

And for those not into drugs, he promises things like a home on his farm property. He is a real piece of work that does not have the capability to experience what a true friend is, because he lived in a world of lies.

What was he calling his good friend AM in the letters?

MOO

 

[hellkat2]

My question is why isn't the mother up on charges? Wiping prints. Paying people. Breaking court orders. Obstruction of justice much? How is this possible?

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IMO it is because she was cooperating with the police by passing letters back and forth.

 

[mozzagirl]

I am just reading the letters and I have come to my own conclusion that DM is full of s*** when writing to CN that undercover cops are watching his mom's house and stopped someone who went there. I highly doubt undercover cops were tasked with watching DM's mom house every day months and months after his arrest. IMO, it was a manipulation tactic of his to scare her into being very careful if she ended up talking to AM. In the same letter as this story about his mom's house, his next paragraph lists how he wants her to contact AM.

MOO.

 

[mozzagirl]

IMO it is because she was cooperating with the police by passing letters back and forth.

If she was cooperating with police, they would have the other letters that CN supposedly left with MB and would probably have CN's letters to DM also.

IMO, there is absolutely no way MB was cooperating with police

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm just really besides myself thinking that MB is still on the loose, able to tamper with evidence and work on statements for the other two charges DM faces. SS worked for MB up until mid 2015. MB has a close relationship with CN. MB knows MH's family. IMHO, she has a lot at stake with the WM murder charges- after all, if DM is guilty of murdering his father, whatever is left of the Millard fortune may permanently slip from her control. Actually, it may all work much better for her if DM is locked up for TB's murder and found not guilty in WM's, because then she'd be able to make sure the money doesn't go to waste. IMHO, WM's murder trial is a biggie to the financial welfare of both DM and MB. I'd feel much better if LE charged her for assisting in breaching the "no contact" order along with tampering with evidence in this case. Just doesn't seem right that she hasn't been charged. MOO

 

[Inspector_North]

IMO it is because she was cooperating with the police by passing letters back and forth.

How do you explain the deliberate breach of the no contact when she phoned DM from a pay phone? LE does not condone breaking the law for something like a voice call that is not recorded. MB was cooperating all right, with DM.

MOO

 

[hellkat2]

Seriously, I don't know if I could handle someone like MB up on the stand. IMHO, LE and the media have been way to kind to this woman. Not that I like to see people suffer, but, IMHO, she was so incredibly self absorbed and idiotic that she was willing to do anything to keep DM and the money that he had "control" over out of jail, even if it meant tampering with evidence and breaking the law herself. IMO, failure to hold her accountable is sending the wrong message to other parents who may want to cover up for their offsprings criminal activity. No one wins when people like MB are allowed to go free- with her assistance, her son, DM, was trying to implicate MS and a couple of his "unknown friends", perhaps even the Bosma family themselves, along with attempting to tamper with evidence. IMO, she should be in jail. MOO

Well stated. The apple didn't fall far from the tree ...IMO.

 

[flipflop]

Wow, I'm so glad that CN kept these letters....DM incriminated himself by writing them!!

I really wonder why DM was so insistent that CN give him the details of her story as to where she was/who she was with etc on May 6th from 5pm until May 7th in the early morning? If she was not involved, why the need to spin up a story about this time? Leads me to believe she was more involved than what we know.

 

[canadiangirl]

IMO it is because she was cooperating with the police by passing letters back and forth.

Interesting. You think she was setting up her own son? Interesting perspective

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