Bosma Murder Trial 05.02.16 - Day 43

[Massasauga Rattler]

Wow! How'd I miss this? Was this toady? I've always thought this was his reason for killing her! He had a little love triangle going on and LB was going to destroy that!

Speculation here, but if she was pregnant, perhaps the shoebox full of cash she left with her parents was payoff money from DM to get an abortion. Perhaps she refused, and plan to kill her was now on. This could easily explain the planning/purchasing of the incinerator a month or two before she disappeared. She may have been several months pregnant by the time she was murdered.

And here's an added thought. IF she was pregnant, and he killed her and disposed of the body somewhere, assuming one day someone found the body, forensics would likely determine she was pregnant. DNA could likely be extracted from the fetal remains which could be connected with a father who would possibly have motivation to have killed her. HENCE, the reason for incinerating the body....no proof of pregnancy, no fetal remains, no DNA, and less tangible motivation for anyone to have killed her. If LE had determined she was pregnant when she was killed, all of a sudden a list of suspects becomes much easier to piece together.

 

[mskrisc]

He probably manipulated the girl into having an abortion somehow.

Or killed her

 

[Claroon]

By killing LB?

Wow Rattler, good catch. I wonder if LE will look into her medical reports to see if there was a pregnancy? JMO

 

[canadiangirl]

Or killed her

This has always been a common WS theory....

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[Claroon]

Speculation here, but if she was pregnant, perhaps the shoebox full of cash she left with her parents was payoff money from DM to get an abortion. Perhaps she refused, and plan to kill her was now on. This could easily explain the planning/purchasing of the incinerator a month or two before she disappeared. She may have been several months pregnant by the time she was murdered.

And here's an added thought. IF she was pregnant, and he killed her and disposed of the body somewhere, assuming one day someone found the body, forensics would likely determine she was pregnant. DNA could likely be extracted from the fetal remains which could be connected with a father who would possibly have motivation to have killed her. HENCE, the reason for incinerating the body....no proof of pregnancy, no fetal remains, no DNA, and less tangible motivation for anyone to have killed her. If LE had determined she was pregnant when she was killed, all of a sudden a list of suspects becomes much easier to piece together.

I'm going to assume since LE has shown they already have texts from 2012, that they probably have revealing texts about all this. IMO

 

[Claroon]

See that's the last word I'd use to describe DM. Handsome. I actually wondered many times how he got so many women... One word. Money. Or the illusions of grandeur

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I found this photo particularly handsome. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. IMO

 

[mskrisc]

As for the transit of the letters back and forth from DM to CN, and vice versa, it's pretty clear they were initially going through MB since CN made mention of being worried MB may have read one of her "racy" letters after it was written and sealed in an envelope for DM. The MSM reports tonight talk about it being MB who handled the letters back and forth but I think it stands to reason she wasn't the only one. Did she (MB) simply hand them off to MB's lawyer to deliver to him? Were they tucked inside letters from her (MB) so to make it all look completely above board?

Just thinking out loud on this one. Maybe someone else has already figured out how those letters went back and forth??

I too think it was through lawyers. MB passed letters through them and they unknowing passed them to DM, believing it was Mother/son letters. Jail officials don't check lawyer letters so they passed through easily.
Also, Deepak was no longer part of DM's legal council and Pillar was retained instead right around the same time frame the letters were discovered and CN was charged .

 

[Kamille]

In one of the letters, DM is telling CN what her testimony should be and he's talking about MS working at the hangar "grinding away rust and repainting" (underlining that part in the letter). So it appears that he wanted a pic from MS's facebook of him grinding something at the airport with sparks flying. He also talks about the black backpack and how she needs to talk about how MS carried that everywhere (which we know his defense will have pictures of as they were on AM's facebook) with his spray paint for tagging. We know that DM's attorney talked about MS and a backpack right at the beginning of this trial and we know that there is a lot of white spray paint that has not been accounted for so far in this trial. Are they really going to go with some of this stuff that CN was originally supposed to be testifying to as their star witness? And is she going to be agreeing to any of these suggestions during her cross. Because that's the only way I can see them getting his story out there...whatever that may be. I'm so confused as to what DM's defense is going to do now knowing that he was floating all kinds of different "theories" and lies via these letters.

Was he passing off the grinding of MM's motorcycle VIN on MS? Or the grinding off of identifying numbers and repainting of other stolen items in the hangar?
Was he passing off the request for cases of white spray paint on MS for his tagging habit?
Was he passing off the E-bay gun holster purchases on MS?
Was he passing off his gun purchase and contact with MWJ as "collecting props for music videos and meeting with musicians for MS's rap career"?
Was he passing off the oxy that MS was asking him for as something he was holding for MS to help him kick his habit?

And oh my...I just got to the part where CN was supposed to testify that MS was DM's good deeds charity case.... Pffft.

I think I've read enough for one evening.

MOO

 

[mskrisc]

DM's letter to CN are very telling of his values. He seems to believe that others worships wealth, tools and luxuries as much as he does. That it can be used to persuade someone to do almost anything, no matter who the person he is trying to control.

I wonder if that value was nurture or nature?

MOO

Nurture! MB is one of the biggest enablers I've heard of in a long time! Maybe it was her guilt that pushed her to parent this way? What mother sends her young child to live with the known alcoholic father? What mother doesn't want to raise her child? Did he cramp her style? Maybe MB was a narcissist too? I have no respect for her as a person or a parent.
Her name has popped up one too many times during this case!

MOO

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Speculation here, but if she was pregnant, perhaps the shoebox full of cash she left with her parents was payoff money from DM to get an abortion. Perhaps she refused, and plan to kill her was now on. This could easily explain the planning/purchasing of the incinerator a month or two before she disappeared. She may have been several months pregnant by the time she was murdered.

And here's an added thought. IF she was pregnant, and he killed her and disposed of the body somewhere, assuming one day someone found the body, forensics would likely determine she was pregnant. DNA could likely be extracted from the fetal remains which could be connected with a father who would possibly have motivation to have killed her. HENCE, the reason for incinerating the body....no proof of pregnancy, no fetal remains, no DNA, and less tangible motivation for anyone to have killed her. If LE had determined she was pregnant when she was killed, all of a sudden a list of suspects becomes much easier to piece together.

I should also mention that if he killed LB because she was pregnant and refused an abortion, it makes his $20k spent on Eliminator and trailer, money well spent compared to what 20 years of child support would have cost him, as well as having an unwanted heir to the Millard fortune. That $20k becomes a no-brainer decision for a guy like DM.

 

[Arnie M]

Speculation here, but if she was pregnant, perhaps the shoebox full of cash she left with her parents was payoff money from DM to get an abortion. Perhaps she refused, and plan to kill her was now on. This could easily explain the planning/purchasing of the incinerator a month or two before she disappeared. She may have been several months pregnant by the time she was murdered.

And here's an added thought. IF she was pregnant, and he killed her and disposed of the body somewhere, assuming one day someone found the body, forensics would likely determine she was pregnant. DNA could likely be extracted from the fetal remains which could be connected with a father who would possibly have motivation to have killed her. HENCE, the reason for incinerating the body....no proof of pregnancy, no fetal remains, no DNA, and less tangible motivation for anyone to have killed her. If LE had determined she was pregnant when she was killed, all of a sudden a list of suspects becomes much easier to piece together.

Good points but I always suspected the shoebox of cash was connected to her disappearance (death) .... did she steal it from DM's stash of emergency cash he kept at the house? Or did she steal it from one of the local drug dealers ? Some of those guys would punish by death . That box of cash stands in stark contrast to reports saying LB was broke and homeless and sleeping on couches.

Good point also on the DNA .... if she wanted to keep the (presumed) baby DM would know he was responsible for support ..... and we know how he avoids responsibility.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Letters

I think that is one thing that did happen--giving Dell the pills to hold--and she's covering it up to protect someone. IMO

I think, it did happen but CN wasn't in the Yukon at that time/wasn't close by at that time.
DM writes: MS took 2 pills out of the bottle and said they were for tonight. - He would perhaps not go into the detail if it never happened. Although DM wrote instructions for CN what to say (lie) he got lost in his true memories at the same time, I think.

Seemingly DM had some turbulences in his friendship with his beloved Mark at the time before the robbery incl. murder (too much drinking, too much smoking, too many "orange guys", too little work activity). Mark wanted to go to Calgary as MM also testified. My thought: Did DM fear to loose his best and beloved friend/soul mate?? Is it a better feeling for DM to know Mark being in jail than in Calgary with new "boyz"?

I have noticed also:

In March Mark told you that he didn't think Dell was ever going to get around to making the rap album. That he thought Dell was too busy with his grandfather's company.

Interesting to name Millardair "grandfather's" company. Important for another trial, IMO.

I don't understand why DM is weaving a story of them going to US, having no joint with him/them because of guaranteed search every time when he is crossing the border. Once Mark isn't allowed to cross, they all (whoever) turn back.

What is Mark "tagging" with spray cans every time when DM is driving with him to somewhere and always parks his truck around the corner? Not important but I would like to know.

 

[jash]

I don't understand why DM is weaving a story of them going to US, having no joint with him/them because of guaranteed search every time when he is crossing the border. Once Mark isn't allowed to cross, they all (whoever) turn back.

RSBM. I too wonder about the significance of the border search story. It could be related to something that DM's lawyers were successful in keeping out of court. Maybe DM smuggled something back into Canada (weapons? ammunition? drugs?) and his claims of being searched every time at the border was an attempt to disprove it?

At trial, we heard DM texted MS on April 15, 2012, and said "five fingered you some practice ammo". Based on my notes, DM was on a road trip to Nevada during that month (I believe CN was with him, and they picked up the Camaro for SS in Texas on the way back).

 

[Inspector_North]

So, assuming we have seen the last witness for the Crown, we have now seen the totality of the evidence against DM and MS (with the exception of the cross examinations). I have said it before, and still say, I bet MS will not be convicted on 1st degree. My guess is 2nd.. Happy to be wrong.

And TD most likely knows his client has a sliver of chance for 2nd. His cross of CN will most likely reflect that.
MOO

 

[andreww]

And TD most likely knows his client has a sliver of chance for 2nd. His cross of CN will most likely reflect that.
MOO

How so? MS willingly participated in the theft/abduction that resulted in TBs death. That's 1st degree.

 

[Inspector_North]

How so? MS willingly participated in the theft/abduction that resulted in TBs death. That's 1st degree.

Good question. According to a few posting here, I have been told that participating in a planned theft that resulted in an accidental death is not murder one under Canadian law. The proof of abduction, or the definition of abduction as it relates to this case has not been clearly defined IMO. DM seemed to agree with your definition, and I have been told it's not correct. So, please prove me wrong.

The Judge will instruct the Jury when the time comes. We discussed that angle on this page.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sma-Murder-Trial-Weekend-Discussion-12/page28

MOO

 

[deugirtni]

I should also mention that if he killed LB because she was pregnant and refused an abortion, it makes his $20k spent on Eliminator and trailer, money well spent compared to what 20 years of child support would have cost him, as well as having an unwanted heir to the Millard fortune. That $20k becomes a no-brainer decision for a guy like DM.

Surely if LB was preg, she would have shared this news with *someone*, a close friend? I guess even if she did, we wouldn't necessarily know about it though. That would sure provide a large motive for DM to need her gone, and perhaps even to take the time to plan it, although the longer time went on, the greater the risk of more people knowing about her condition. Surely that news would have made it out via MSM somehow. Very interesting theory anyway!

 

[andreww]

Good question. According to a few posting here, I have been told that participating in a planned theft that resulted in an accidental death is not murder one under Canadian law. The proof of abduction, or the definition of abduction as it relates to this case has not been clearly defined IMO. DM seemed to agree with your definition, and I have been told it's not correct. So, please prove me wrong.

The Judge will instruct the Jury when the time comes. We discussed that angle on this page.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...sma-Murder-Trial-Weekend-Discussion-12/page28

MOO

Aside from the abduction angle, I think there is also adequate evidence that there was a plan to kill Bosma and incinerate him. The need for a change of clothes, the fact that a successful mission was an "all nighter", and the texts of the sausages and fireside furniture all point to the fact that both these guys knew what was going to happen. If this was not a planned murder, they would have forced Tim out of the truck and the mission would have been completed by 11:00. What possible explanation would there be for the mission taking all night if it just involved the theft of the truck?

 

[Gibson67]

Hmm, now I question whether all the letters went through his mom?

This one passage from a letter made me think it wasn't her directly sometimes or at all.

"I saw my Mum this morning. [...] I expect a messenger is coming soon to pick this up."

I think the letters were transferred from CN to MB to Lawyer (Lawyer thinking they were letters from his Mother) Then DM wrote letters to CN gave them to his Lawyer then Lawyer gave them to his Mother. The Lawyer had to have been thinking these letters were to her..otherwise if they knew the content they would surely be advising him not to be doing this. I can imagine the look on the Lawyer's face when he was told about the letters being found and then the disclosure of the content...he would be thinking OMG could this get any worse? This guy is a complete menace and soooooooo self destructive, thank GOD for the Bosma family that he basically put the nail in his own coffin, after advising everyone else to cover for him. Karma.

 

[Coldpizza]

Good morning, not sure if this has been posted yet.

Dellen Millard's letters from jail

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