Bosma Murder Trial 05.04.16 - Day 45

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s41 seconds ago
In it, Millard references a visit he received in jail by a TV producer from 48 Hours. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 40s41 seconds ago
Noudga back on the stand. Letters up. DM talking about 48 hrs coming to see him in jail. Producers tell him they think "I'm innocent"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 34s35 seconds ago
He chatted with the producer for 20 minutes about Millard's childhood. "Thus begins the dangerous work of engaging the media," MIllard wrote

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 33s34 seconds ago
Looking at a letter now where #Millard writes to Noudga that a producer from "48 Hours" visited him for 20 mins.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 50s50 seconds ago
Millard says the guy said his feeling is he's innocent. Says he might just be saying that to get the next interview. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 48s49 seconds ago
Jury now seeing letter from Millard talking about "dangerous work of engaging the media" and his talks with 48 hours and the toronto star.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s38 seconds ago
"Of course I'm suspicious that he might say whatever would get him the next interview. That's applicable to all media," Millard wrote

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s38 seconds ago
Millard talks about "engaging the media." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s50 seconds ago
Millard told Noudga "to not engage with the media."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 49s49 seconds ago
Dungey asks if he references media in previous letters to Noudga. She says yes--he tells her not to talk. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 44s45 seconds ago
#Millard tells Noudga the producer told him he felt that DM was "innocent." Tho Millard wonders if he's just trying to secure another intvw.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 31s32 seconds ago
In this one he says there are plans underway for a chat with the Toronto Star. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Dungey now going back to the letters Millard wrote.
by Adam Carter 2:03 PM

"So today the producer of 48 hours, it's an American crime show, came to visit me," Millard writes. "We chatted for twenty minutes about what it was like for me growing up. We didn't talk about the case. Thus begins the dangerous work of engaging the media ... The producer has covered a lot of cases in the states. He is experienced. After the short interview with me, he said his feeling is that I'm innocent."
by Adam Carter 2:05 PM

Dungey says that Millard is trying to "manipulate the media" like he manipulated Noudga. She says he didn't try to manipulate her.
by Adam Carter 2:07 PM

 

[don_quixote]

What is Dungey getting at? For MS, there are no prints. The only evidences against him are
1) The testimony that he went for the test drives (and he admitted that he went with IT, but not with Tim Bosma)
2) His phone(s) pinged close to the three key places (farm, hangar, Bosmas' residence).
3) A person who looks like him on the May 7, 1:30 am video from the hangar.
4) Photo with a handgun, and, I believe, only MM said it's his hand. No expert opinion.
5) No fingerprints I think

But otherwise, seems, he doesn't have a driver's license - could he drive at night for something like 3 hours? He's not known for violent crimes, just a petty criminal. May be Dungey really considers pushing the theory that MS was framed? Now presenting CN and DM as manipulating cold blooded psychos (not far off?) to beef up a plausible story how DM and CN could conspire to frame him. If he thought they are checking the truck before quietly towing it off the driveway and then DM went postal. I don't know if it would take the 1st degree charge off Smich...

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 55s55 seconds ago
Millard tells Noudga that the 48 hours producer feels he is innocent. #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 55s55 seconds ago
Millard tells Noudga that the 48 hours producer feels he is innocent. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 25s25 seconds ago
We're back. Dungey showing a Millard jailhouse letter on the screens. Talks about 48 Hours TV producer came to talk to him.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 35s35 seconds ago
Dungey asks what she took it to mean that he was beginning "the dangerous work of engaging the media." #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 43s44 seconds ago
Dungey suggest Millard is trying to bring the media on his side. "That's what it looks like," she said. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
She says that he was going to talk to reporters. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 37s38 seconds ago
Dungey suggests Millard was trying to manipulate the media like he tried to manipulate Noudga. Objection.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 20s21 seconds ago
Noudga says she doesn't think Millard tried to manipulate her. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 20s21 seconds ago
"Thus begins the dangerous work of engaging the media. A little good news has already come of this.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 52s53 seconds ago
Dungey suggests he was going to manipulate the media like he manipulated her. She disagrees--doesn't feel he tried to manipulate her. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 47s48 seconds ago
Dungey suggests #Millard was trying to "manipulate the media like he did you." DM lawyer objects. Sustained.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 41s42 seconds ago
"He's trying to manipulate the media just like he manipulated you," Dungey says. Pillay objects. Noudga says no. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
Next letter. Nov 14. He begins "ello love." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
This producer has covered a lot of cases in the States. He is experienced.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 53s53 seconds ago
"Hopefully the next round of disclosure will offer more clarity. It's past due and supposed to be a big one." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 47s47 seconds ago
After the short interview with me and said his feeling is that I'm innocent.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 36s36 seconds ago
"It's all very interesting in a game of strategy kind of way." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 57s58 seconds ago
Of course I'm suspicious that he might say whatever would get him the next interview. That's applicable to all media.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 44s45 seconds ago
#Millard tells Noudga the producer told him he felt that DM was "innocent." Tho Millard wonders if he's just trying to secure another intvw.

Wonder what the 48hr producer thinks now?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 50s51 seconds ago
"It's all very interesting, in a game of strategy kind of way," Millard writes.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s49 seconds ago
Still, I'm planning on giving him the next interview. And plans are underway for a chat with Toronto Star."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s30 seconds ago
He says he sees an advantage with waving a prelim and going straight to trial--her testimony. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 48s49 seconds ago
Dungey asks if Millard manipulated Noudga the way he manipulated the media. She says she was never manipulated. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 48s49 seconds ago
Next letter Millard says he's a "useful legal strategist" and that he wants to save Noudga's testimony as "a surprise." #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 45s46 seconds ago
In the next letter #Millard is shown musing about whether to waive a preliminary trial. Hoping to have Noudga testify for him.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 45s46 seconds ago
In the next letter #Millard is shown musing about whether to waive a preliminary trial. Hoping to have Noudga testify for him.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
That way, it stays a surprise. "Of course I'm assuming I have your testimony." Says he's in "desperate need" of her help. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 55s55 seconds ago
He says he needs "a direct answer on this. Can I count on your testimony?" #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 55s55 seconds ago
"I need a direct answer on this. Can I count on your testimony? Destroy this letter," #Millard writes.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 46s46 seconds ago
Next letter: "Still, I am in desperate need of your help...Can I count on your testimony." Millard calls himself a "legal strategist."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 45s45 seconds ago
"..your testimony as a surprise." Millard says he's assuming Noudga will help him at that point. "Can I count on your testimony?"

 

[Velma]

Now onto another letter. "It's all very interesting, in a game of strategy, kind of way," he writes.
by Adam Carter 2:08 PM

Millard also talks about waiving a preliminary hearing and going straight to trial, to keep Noudga's testimony as a "surprise."
by Adam Carter 2:09 PM

"Can I count on your testimony?" Millard writes.
by Adam Carter 2:09 PM

Millard says he comes up with "unconventional solutions" -- Dungey alleges he means evidence and witness tampering here.
by Adam Carter 2:10 PM

Noudga says she never encouraged Millard and said she would testify as he wanted. "I don't know why he would assume that," she says.
by Adam Carter 2:11 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He writes that he's become a "legal strategist" and finds "unconventional" solutions to conventional problems. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Millard also said he likes "unconventional solutions" in the letter. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests tampering and fabricating evidence are unconventional strategies. She agrees. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
"His unconventional solutions entail tampering with evidence?" asks Dungey. Noudga says she's have to make an assumption to answer that.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Millard says he has "unconventional" solutions. Dungey wants to know if that means tampering and fabricating evidence?

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Dungey wants to know what were Millard's "unconventional solutions" for his defence. Noudga doesn't know

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Dungey asks if that includes tampering with evidence. Noudga says she doesn't know. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Noudga says that is an "assumption."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
He's trying to get her on board, Dungey suggests. She agrees but says she's never encouraged that. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
"He's urging you on that he's gonna need your testimony to win this case, right?" asks Dungey. "Yes," replies Noudga.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey asks why he would assume he had her testimony. She says "I guess because my letters were always encouraging him to keep his chin up..

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Millard writes "I assume I have your testimony." Noudga says maybe that because she told him she loved him. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"...and I loved him." But says she never said she'd help him. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
"Of course. I'm assuming I have your testimony. For me it has been a foregone conclusion that so long as all is researched & youre protected

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga stands firm that she never agreed to help Millard. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 55s55 seconds ago
Millard "For me, Ito has been a forgone conclusion that so long as all is researched and you are protected, I had your testimony. But do I?"

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
"For menorahs been a foregone conclusion...I had your testimony," writes #Millard. Noudga says she doesn't know why he'd think that.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 53s53 seconds ago
"For me it has been..."

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"... I had your testimony. But do I? It's not your responsibility to help. You don't owe me anything. Still, I am in desperate need"

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"I would not ask unless I believed it would make the difference. I need a direct answer on this. Can I count on your testimony?"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
In letter it also says it is a "forgone conclusion that so long as all is researched and you are protected, I had your testimony." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
She says reason he asks for such a direct answer at the end is because she had never given him one. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
Noudga: "I just think he wanted an answer because I wasn't addressing him...He's, I guess, getting impatient." #bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 58s58 seconds ago
Noudga disagrees that Millard is becoming more forceful at this point. "He's, I guess, getting impatient?" Noudga says on the stand.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 56s56 seconds ago
"He's I guess getting impatient," she says. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
"destroy this letter to protect me." The letter ends. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests Millard's repeated asks for her testimony was forceful. She says rather, he was getting impatient. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 57s58 seconds ago
Now looking at another note made by Noudga. Dungey is going to read it. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 42s43 seconds ago Toronto, Ontario
Dungey takes Noudga through Millard's letters, now we're going back to her notes, found by police in her bedroom.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 38s39 seconds ago
"Maybe I could write Matt a letter. I feel it'd be easier than traceable phones. Same with Andrew." #Bosma

 

[Velma]

"I'm assuming I have your testimony, for me, it has been a forgone conclusion, that so long as all is researched, and you are protected, I had your testimony," Millard wrote.
by Adam Carter 2:13 PM

Dungey now going back to Noudga's notes she wrote.
by Adam Carter 2:14 PM

"Okay with Andrew and Matt. Now maybe I could write Matt a letter. I feel like it would be easier than traceable phones," Noudga writes. "Same with Andrew. Not sure how to get a meet anonymous, Matt for sure. Maybe he could break it down to Andrew better than I. So now, if you could give me the address. Don't know what to do with the stereo."
by Adam Carter 2:15 PM

Dungey says this looks like a draft for a letter to Millard, but she says no.
by Adam Carter 2:15 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 53s53 seconds ago
Back to Noudga's notes "OK with Andrew and Matt. Maybe I could write Matt a letter. Easier than disposable phones."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 47s47 seconds ago
Talks about meeting anonymously. Says maybe Matt "could break it down to Andrew better than I." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 29s29 seconds ago
She then writes "I don't know what to do with the stereo." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 48s49 seconds ago
She goes on "I don't know what to do with the stereo." That's what she says she thought the DVR was -- it had surveillance footage

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 41s42 seconds ago
Noudga note: "Not sure how to get a meet anonymously. Matt for sure. Maybe he can break it down to Andrew, better than I...

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 30s31 seconds ago
She says this is not a draft of letter she sent. Says she "contemplated" approaching guys but after weighing pros & cons she decided not to.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 24s25 seconds ago
Dungey accuses Noudga of contemplation actually helping #Millard out, carrying out his orders. Even wrote it out. CN says never did it tho.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 20s21 seconds ago
Noudga admits she contemplated helping Millard push crown witnesses but she says she didn't do it. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 34s34 seconds ago
She agrees she's gone through the mental exercise of how she could help. She says it was a "minute's worth of thinking" and didn't do it.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 34s34 seconds ago
"Don't know what to do with the stereo." (Earlier Noudga testified she thought DVR from hangar was a stereo.)

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 29s29 seconds ago
Noudga says they were notes for a letter but she never sent the letter. She thought about tampering with witnesses but says she didn't

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 24s24 seconds ago
Dungey suggests she's even saying she needs their address. She says she didn't tell Dellen that. Just wrote it down. Never sent it. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Dungey says she has written down how she could tamper with witnesses, but she says she didn't do that. "I thought about it," she says.
by Adam Carter 2:16 PM

Court previously heard the "stereo" she's writing about here is the DVR that Millard gave her.
by Adam Carter 2:17 PM

Sounds to me that she's using 'stereo' the same way we've heard others use 'BBQ' - a common word to disguise a dirty item