Bosma Murder Trial 05.04.16 - Day 45

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
He asks what they talked about. She says they didn't. "That's odd," he says. She says he just sang the song. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
"It was dark outside," says Noudga. Not sure if she knew was a no contact order. "We didn't talk," on the phone. "Strange," Dungey says.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 4m4 minutes ago
Dungey now questioning Noudga about "Wonderwall" phone call. "He doesn't talk about his situation, doesn't profess his love to you?

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
About the call. Who placed it to DM. She has no idea. He just signs Wonderwall. Nothing else is said. @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 5m5 minutes ago
"He sings Wonderwall by Oasis," Noudga says. He didn't ask any Q's or tell her any news, she says. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 5m5 minutes ago
Dungey: "he didn't tell you anything about this case? What he wants you to do? How things are progressing?"
Noudga: "No." #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 5m5 minutes ago
Noudga replies "No." Says #Millard only sang Wonderwall to her in the phonecall at a pay phone.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Millard sings Wonderwall by Oasis and they say nothing else to each other over the phone. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
Now looking at letter Millard sent, where he's talking about Hagerman & Michalski dropping drugs & gun in Oakville for Smich

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Another letter. Oct 27. In this one Millard references Hagerman's statements to police. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey says Millard shows real contempt for justice system in the letter. Noudga is reading it over to see if she agrees. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Police questioned Matt 5 separate times. "Now as you know he shouldn't have spoken to police at all." #Bosma

 

[mozzagirl]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
Directing her to another note. Here, Dungey says she's again drafting a letter. She says she decided she didn't like the way it was written.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 6m6 minutes ago
The note begins "unfortunately I have not yet spoken to Kodiak or Snuff." #Bosma

This stands out to me. This is a note about her not talking to AM or MH yet. She doesn't say in court that she didn't end up writing this to DM at all, just that she didn't like the way this was written. So, a little slip on her part in court today?

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Next letter from Millard. "They did not actually meet up with Mark, but left it in a stairwell for him...

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Another Millard letter: he mentions police questioning Hagerman five times and says "I don't think he knows someone can refuse" #TimBosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"Police questioned Matt 5 separate times. I have heard the first four questionings. The 5th I do not have....

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
He says by 5th time Matt had to spill the beans. He says another friend Sean Scullion drove to Hamilton and talked to cops. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
"I'm sure he cracked and I don't blame him" Millard writes. #TimBosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Police questioned Matt five separate times...How was you know, he should not have spoken to police at all.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"Sean, on the other hand, is a rat with the heart of a sheep. There was absolutely no pressure on him to talk."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Millard calls Scullion a "rat with the heart of a sheep. There was absolutely no pressure on him to talk." #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
"I don't think he knew/knows that someone can refuse to speak with police. I'm sure by the fifth interrogation Matt had to spill the beans."

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey now reviewing letter from #Millard to Noudga where DM seems angry about a friend giving statements to police.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"He sold Matt and Andrew out for free. I think he is under the impression it is his duty of a citizen to give the police whatever."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
"I think he is under the impression it is his duty as a citizen to give police whatever they want," he writes. #Bosma

 

[Nosey Parker]

Why on earth would MB use a phone booth, after dark too. Doesn't the woman have a cell? Oh, maybe it was part of a spy game - no harm done then.

 

[Velma]

Dungey asks her what her impression was when she read that. Pillay objects.
by Adam Carter 2:56 PM

Noudga says what Millard wrote doesn't convey a disrespect for the law.
by Adam Carter 2:56 PM

Dungey asks Noudga if she has the nickname coyote, because Millard refers to "only the craftiest of coyotes."
by Adam Carter 2:57 PM

(Image is my interpretation lol)

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Now looking a letter DM wrote about matt selling him out to police. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey says Millard is showing contempt for someone who speaks to police. Pillay objects. Noudga agrees.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
I'm correcting the spelling as I tweet because it's easier than inserting so many (sic) symbols.

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
In letter #Millard refers to one friend as a "rat ...That's because he spoke to police?" "Yes," replies Noudga.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Millard calls Sean Scullion "a rat with the heart of a sheep" for talking to police. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey asks what her impression was when she read it. Pillay objects. Judge agrees--her opinion is not probative. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey asks if it conveys a disrespect for the law. She says no. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey asks Noudga what she thinks, does it convey a disrespect for the law? No, she says.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 4m4 minutes ago
Dunegy asks if it conveys a disrespect for the law. Noudga says no. #TimBosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 3m3 minutes ago
Does it convey a disrespect for the law? No. Noudga says. @AM900CHML

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Dungey asks if her nickname was Coyote. She says no. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
"Does (#Millard's letter) convey a disrespect for the law?" asks Dungey. "No," says Noudga, furrowing her brow. #MillardSmich

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 4m4 minutes ago
Dungey asks if letter conveys a disrespect for the law. Noudga says "No." Is her nickname Coyote? She says "Ahh, no."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
Is your nickname coyote? Dungey asks. "Uhhh no." So why does Millard refer to her as his "secret agent."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Noudga's voice often rises at the end of a sentence.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
In the first paragraph of this he says she will be his "secret agent." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Says "only the craftiest of coyotes will be able to avoid charges like witness tampering or perjury." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 4m4 minutes ago
Millard: "Only the craftiest of coyotes will be able to avoid charges like - witness tampering - or - perjury."

 

[Velma]

"Do not attempt to unless you are very very certain that you can succeed without getting trapped yourself," Millard writes in the letter.
by Adam Carter 2:59 PM

In the letter, Millard says it's paramount that they keep their communication secret. "Do you not connect that with tampering?" Dungey asks. Noudga says she thought that was "its own statement about this communication."
by Adam Carter 3:00 PM

Dungey now showing Noudga's phone records.
by Adam Carter 3:01 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
She says she only just noticed this. Agrees he asked her to do those things. #Bosma

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 3m3 minutes ago
Seeing letter again where #Millard tells Noudga "only the craftiest of coyotes will be able to avoid charges - like witness tampering."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
"I'm going to lay out the problems," Millard writes. "Maybe you can effect some remedies. Maybe you can't. Do not attempt unless you are...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
She just noticed he called her Coyote in letter. He's asking for her help to fix "problems" in his case. She says "I'm not sure in what."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
He writes "I'm going to lay out the problems. Maybe you can effect some remedies. Maybe you can't." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 3m3 minutes ago
".... very very certain that you can succeed without getting trapped yourself." He's talking to you about being a secret agent, right?

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey asks if she made the connection with the "secret agent" request. She says she didn't. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga says she didn't make the connection because the "secret agent" part was a paragraph higher.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Millard warns her to be very, very careful. Noudga says she didn't "make the connection" with her being a secret agent, which he references.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 3m3 minutes ago
Millard reminds her in letter their communication must be kept entirely a secret. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 3m3 minutes ago
Millard letter says "only the craftiest of coyotes will be able to avoid charges like witness tampering" #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Millard writes: Of paramount importance, is that you keep our contact secret, not just the content... but that we have comms at all. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

He's pointing to May 10, when Smich was to have called her. Dungey suggests that she spoke with Meneses, and not Smich.
by Adam Carter 3:02 PM

Dungey says the two got into an argument, and Noudga was yelling at Meneses about wanting to talk to Smich. Noudga denies it.
by Adam Carter 3:03 PM

Dungey now going back to Noudga's notes.
by Adam Carter 3:03 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey going back to her phone records from May 10, 2013. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
9:13pm. Call from Marlena Meneses to Noudga. He suggests it was a call between the two women. She says no. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 56s57 seconds ago
Now seeing text records on screen. Now seeing phone call that Dungey says is between Noudga and Menseses on May 10, 2013. Noudga says no.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 47s48 seconds ago
Dungey suggests they got in an argument. Noudga looks confused. She doesn't think she got in an argument. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Noudga says she didn't connect that with Millard wanting her to be his secret agent. They were a paragraph apart, she says. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests she was yelling at Meneses, because she wanted to talk to Mark and he didn't want to talk to her. She says no. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey showing Noudga phone records from May 10/13 that show she called Mark #Smich's gf night #Millars was arrested.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey suggests Noudga got into an argument with Meneses on the phone May 10, because Smich didn't want to talk to her. She disagrees

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Dungey suggests Noudga yelled at Marlena to get Smich on the phone. Noudga says no.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
Noudga is studying the screen. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 2m2 minutes ago
Now looking at phone records wher Noudga calls Meneses. Dungey suggests Noudga yelled at her because she wanted to talk to Smich. #TimBosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Meneses wouldn't let her Dungey suggests. Noudga says no. says she doesn't recall an argument #TimBosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Mark Carcasole ‏@MarkCarcGlobal 1m1 minute ago
Dungey suggests Noudga & #Smich gf got in argument because CN wanted to speak to MS after #Millard's arrest, MS didn't want to talk to her.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
Dungey takes her back to her notes. One titled "FRI." Says "knew Dell was in trouble. Called his friend. Talked to him where he is..."

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
We are looking at Noudga's phone records. Noudga has notes "knew Dell in trouble. Got in touch with friend... he said 'we in deep sh**"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
"...Last saw, no info given, but he said 'we in some deep ****.'" #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 1m1 minute ago
Noudga says she's not sure she said "we" because she scribbled that part out. "I said, I know." What did she know?

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Now revisiting the "deep ****" conversation with Smich. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

She writes "Knew Dell was in trouble. Called his friend. Talked to him where he is. Last saw, no info given, but he said, 'we in some deep ****.'" Noudga says she doesn't know if it says we.
by Adam Carter 3:04 PM

Noudga also wrote: "I said, 'I know.'" She says she wrote that because Smich wouldn't answer her questions.
by Adam Carter 3:05 PM

Noudga says she doesn't know when she wrote this.
by Adam Carter 3:06 PM

She does remember that she was "biking at the time."
by Adam Carter 3:06 PM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 53s54 seconds ago
Dungey directs her to her own notes. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 52s53 seconds ago
She says she was just trying to get Smich to answer her Q about where Millard was, and saying "I know, I know" to him.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 40s41 seconds ago
And under that it says "(and I said I know)." She says that was because she knew Smich wouldn't answer her Qs. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 32s33 seconds ago
"I don't know why I scratched that word out. This was years ago."

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 30s31 seconds ago
"Knew Dell was in trouble. Called his friend. Talked to him where he is. No info given, but he said "We in some deep ****."

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 23s24 seconds ago
Noudga says she's not sure she said "we" she scratched it out. She says she doesn't know why. #TimBosma

 

[ArianeEmory]

How amazing is it that these two dorks wrote everything down.