Bosma Murder Trial 05.04.16 - Day 45

[JuneBug67]

I wonder what DM thought of his charming GF's performance? Something tells me it didn't go like they rehearsed.

I wish they could give her a life long no contact order.

MOO

I'm just glad she's completed her role here and is gone. Seriously, I feel like I need a moral and spiritual de-lousing. What a thoroughly unpleasant, ****** human being.

 

[mimimic]

I wonder what DM thought of his charming GF's performance? Something tells me it didn't go like they rehearsed.

I wish they could give her a life long no contact order.

MOO

good enough for the trailer

 

[ILoveDateline]

If they don't have the letters already, they'll never have them, IMO. And if they have them now and didn't disclose - that leads to mistrial for DM and MS. That's my amateur understanding.

I was beginning to wonder if her whole testimony was to set the stage for a mistrial. There were so many missing pieces that she didn't think was important, no matter how obvious, that new evidence could come out after the fact. Though, none of it I see working in DMs or CNs favour. Just my opinion.

 

[Just4TB]

Someone refresh my memory. CN spent 4 months in jail?

Yes from April 2014 until Aug 2014 when she made bail, ankle monitor condition and parental supervision

 

[Sillybilly]

Could it have been the LB trial I'm getting mixed up with, anyone know if there will be a pub ban in place? :thinking:

If a PB is requested by the defence, it is automatic.

 

[MsSherlock]

I'm just glad she's completed her role here and is gone. Seriously, I feel like I need a moral and spiritual de-lousing. What a thoroughly unpleasant, ****** human being.

I'm right behind you!!

 

[canadiangirl]

If a PB is requested by the defence, it is automatic.

Wonder why the defense didn't ask for one in this case. According to CN herself very high profile

 

[Inspector_North]

If a PB is requested by the defence, it is automatic.

Or as Abro put it.

"Under the terms of her bail, Noudga is under house arrest and must wear an electronic monitoring ankle bracelet. She can leave the house to go to university or a job. Otherwise she must be in the company of either her mother or her father, who are acting as her sureties and who cannot be named due to a ridiculous publication ban."

 

[Sillybilly]

Wonder why the defense didn't ask for one in this case. According to CN herself very high profile

There was one in place right up until trial. Once trial begins, the info covered under the PB comes out at trial (other than anything discussed without the jury present).

PS: and the public is never privy to who requested the PB

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

Someone refresh my memory. CN spent 4 months in jail?

Yes, while she was awaiting her bail hearing.

 

[canadiangirl]

My mind is in a million places in regards to CN and still so many unanswered questions.

1. I think she's still in love with him. The red shoes. The mention of how great the sex was. All not necessary.
2. I still think she's the 3rd person.
3. I think she did try to speak to AM and MH. Remember MH said they don't talk anymore because so many lies were told? I think their stories line up. They dropped off the stuff for MS to pick up. So where are these lies?
4. What is the significance of the hose
5. Why isnt MB charged for her involvement

 

[Claroon]

My mind is in a million places in regards to CN and still so many unanswered questions.

1. I think she's still in love with him. The red shoes. The mention of how great the sex was. All not necessary.
/QUOTE]

Agree with this and especially the "orange" binder she carried in. Orange is their "gang" colour IMO.

 

[canadiangirl]

My mind is in a million places in regards to CN and still so many unanswered questions.

1. I think she's still in love with him. The red shoes. The mention of how great the sex was. All not necessary.
/QUOTE]

Agree with this and especially the "orange" binder she carried in. Orange is their "gang" colour IMO.

Yes orange. That too. Forgot about that.

 

[Claroon]

I wonder what DM thought of his charming GF's performance? Something tells me it didn't go like they rehearsed.

I wish they could give her a life long no contact order.

MOO

I think the only thing he's mad about is they told her about the other girlfriends he's lied about for so long. IMO

 

[brightii]

I find it rather curious that the notes LE found in CN's pig pen of a bedroom say such things that indicate she didn't really know a whole lot about what really went down. She seems to wonder why DM picked her to help him that night, seems annoyed that DM is keeping her in the dark about things, trying to possibly set her up, "playing" her, etc. Why would she write those kinds of notes, if she actually did know what had taken place? There's no way she knew in advance LE would find those notes, so they weren't planted as some advanced defense strategy. Not to mention, she even calls the DVR a stereo in her own notes.

Is it possible she really didn't know what she was helping her idiot boyfriend do? Either way, she's still a cold-hearted witch with apparently no compassion for the Bosma family. It just seems off, that she'd write stuff like that if she actually knew.

Without knowing the dates of CN's notes it's hard to be sure when she wrote them and IMO the timing is important to gain insight, but after CN reading how DM had no scruples or conscience about framing other close friends of his or throwing them under the boss or expecting them to sacrifice their own freedom to secure his, I wouldn't doubt she was suspicious about his motives about his intentions for her, IMO. Also, she has established that she was suspicious about his infidelities long before the crime and IMO mistrust coloured the dynamics of their relationship and was an ongoing source of tension between them, IMO. CN wanted DM exclusively and he remained aloof, IMO. Once DM was arrested CN felt powerful and I think she jumped at the chance to express that power and exploit his vulnerability in the circumstance and use it to her own advantage, IMO. CN had something to prove to DM and to herself and even others about her desirability and I think CN's testimony proves that she is still trying to make that point with all the talk about her sexual prowess and DM's with regards to her, IMO. Today for instance CN enjoyed saying that DM yearned for her, IMO. In jail, CN had DM just where she wanted him and on the outside his mother, MB took her into her home and her heart, a place of honour in CN's mind, and a place CN likely had wished to be included for a long time, but of course the only reason that happened was because MB was using CN to help her son, DM, IMO. Still, CN had finally breached the barriers and was then fast becoming an important and welcome Millard family insider, IMO, one that both DM and MB needed and relied upon, although for their own purposes, IMO, but to CN it was better than being made to feel like DM could take her or leave her at whim and than when MB was indifferent to her, IMO. Indifference is a very hard thing to handle for someone like CN, IMO.

I have no doubt left that CN knew about DM's guilt and I can find no reason that any so-called and self-professed intelligent person reading DM's letters to CN would not figure that out ASAP, IMO, even if the person was not previously aware, IMO. CN continued to participate and encourage the contact with DM and had been coached by DM for almost a year after his arrest on how to act covertly in super spy mode, to handle everything as if she was being watched, and she said today that she thought she was under surveillance, so it wouldn't be a stretch to think that they had code words for lots of things in place including for the "stereo" from when he first gave it to her, IMO. While CN may not have known about the murder until she agreed to help DM after the fact, I do believe that DM told CN everything about what had happened to TB (his "then" go-to version of events) when he picked her up on the night of the 9th, IMO and CN agreed to help him, IMO. Both DM and CN are opportunists of the worst kind, IMO.

After DM was arrested for forcible confinement and truck theft, in the context of what CN had just done with him the night before into the early hours of the day of DM's arrest, it's impossible IMO to conclude that CN would not have known what had happened because she was not even concerned about the status of TB, the missing person, IMO. Was TB dead or alive? Apparently CN didn't even care to wonder, IMO. CN wants us to believe that she made no connection or formed any context to the fact that she had dropped off the trailer (with the truck inside) and then went to the farm with DM to take care of the Eliminator "problem", and then at 4 in the morning these "night-owls" dropped by MH's with a toolbox that CN was clueless about while everyone else knew routinely it was used for drugs, and not even after having discovered that TB had been incinerated and DM had been charged with first degree murder did any light bulb go on for CN? No, IMO. CN was simply entrenched in the whole thing and unwilling to give DM up or throw any suspicion on to herself, IMO. DM told many versions of the crime to many people - no two people seemed to get the same story - so CN questioning DM after reading letter upon letter outlining different instructions, scenarios, suspects etc. and wanting CN to assist him to tamper with witnesses and get them to lie for him should have caused her to question him, IMO. DM did play her because he just kept feeding her ego and hope for a future with him by putting in some flattering and meaningless lovey-dovey stuff to keep her hooked as his willing partner in crime, IMO.

All MOO.

 

[Claroon]

I find it rather curious that the notes LE found in CN's pig pen of a bedroom say such things that indicate she didn't really know a whole lot about what really went down. She seems to wonder why DM picked her to help him that night, seems annoyed that DM is keeping her in the dark about things, trying to possibly set her up, "playing" her, etc. Why would she write those kinds of notes, if she actually did know what had taken place? There's no way she knew in advance LE would find those notes, so they weren't planted as some advanced defense strategy. Not to mention, she even calls the DVR a stereo in her own notes.

Is it possible she really didn't know what she was helping her idiot boyfriend do? Either way, she's still a cold-hearted witch with apparently no compassion for the Bosma family. It just seems off, that she'd write stuff like that if she actually knew.

I wondered if the notes were things MB held up to the glass--DM read them, and then MB returned them to her.

 

[Jug Up]

I am finally convinced that this was a planned murder, right down to the minute, and not a botched robbery.

Here is my own proposed timeline on how I think it all went down and why I believe this was blatant, premeditated murder and not a botched robbery – and why it had to happen so quickly.

I also believe CN was involved big-time in the whole thing, post murder. For months I thought CN was driving the Yukon, but then it didn’t seem to add up.

Here’s my rationale, and all MOO.

8:46 PM DM’s Yukon is seen on camera driving southbound on Trinity, past the Super Sucker

8:46 – 9:05: After driving the three minutes to scope out the exact location of Bosma’s house (arriving at about 8:49), DM and MS search for a place to ditch the Yukon. They turn around on Trinity, make a right on Book and turn into the laneway, and into the field, on the north end of Bullmann’s father’s property (say, parking the Yukon around 8:55 to 8:58). They can actually see TB’s house from there, although it is partially hidden. They then walk out to Trinity and make the seven-minute walk to the Bosma driveway. The finalize the “plan” of what they are going to tell TB when he sees they walked to his home. They have already told him they are coming from Toronto so they have to cover their tracks.

9:05: DM calls TB from the Bate phone, presumably as DM and MS are walking up the Bosma driveway, or when they are outside his front door. TB steps outside. SB gets a good look at the two as well. Smich is the “quiet one” because he is scared ****less. Maybe because he has a gun in his waistband. Who knows? Perhaps one of them asks where their car is, and DM replies with the “our friend dropped us and went to Tim Horton’s” story. As SB later says, the three men look over the truck together, there are a couple of questions, and they leave on their test drive. IMO, given all these events, I assume the earliest they leave TB’s house is 9:10, maybe even closer to 9:15, given the call from the Bate phone came at 9:05.

9:10 – 9:18 (approx.): I think much like their test drive with Igor Tumanenko the day before, the two have a signal, or code word, between them. But Tumanenko is the body builder type and as soon he mentions that he was in the Israeli army and “you don’t want to know what I did”, DM turns around as if to say “Abort!” There would be no code word because, quite simply, Tumanenko would kick the **** out of both of them.

A day later, it is apparent that Tim isn’t going to pose any threat physically. He is going to be killed. He has seen them both, and if they go to drive directly to where the Yukon is while Tim is alive and conscious, there is going to be red flags, and probably a whole lot of commotion just steps from the Bosma home. Why would the truck be parked, hidden, around the corner? The code word is uttered within two or three minutes of getting in the truck. Maybe the code word is “How many kilometres are on the truck” or “How is it on diesel fuel?” Tim is shot from behind, totally oblivious. Wherever they are, whether on Trinity or Book, DM and MS drive TB’s truck straight to the field where the Yukon is.

If this isn’t a deliberate plan to kill TB, planned between the two of them, why the need for MS to be there is TB’s driveway, where SB , Wayne De Boer of anyone else can get a good look at BOTH of them? Why wouldn’t MS wait in the Yukon and then pull out from the field once he saw TB’s truck drive by with DM and TB inside?

These rocket scientists did the same thing with Tumanenko: they came together. Not only did Tumanenko ID the “Ambition” tattoo on Millard, he picked Smich out of the police photo lineup. Not the brightest of criminals, these two.

9:15 – 9:18 approx. The getaway is hasty. As planned, TB is dead and they have their truck. They need to get out of town fast, just in case anyone saw something amiss. This isn’t their stomping grounds; it is TB’s. MS jumps out of the pickup and into the Yukon. They leave the laneway, and Bullmann sees them leave his father’s property and turn west on to Book. (i.e. towards Brantford) before going right on Trinity (this assumes that Bullmann made a mistake and the trucks indeed turned north on to Trinity off Book). A couple of minutes later, they pass the Super Sucker at 9:20. MS is busy texting MM while he drives (text sent to her at 9:20), which is why he is a full three seconds behind DM in TB’s truck when they pass the Super Sucker. MS then turns his phone off. He has other things to worry about than MM’s texts and calls.

NOTE: If Bullmann is correct and DM and MS continue west on Book, past Trinity, this timeline is likely a couple of minutes earlier as the vehicles would have to turn around and come back, to Trinity, turning left and passing the Super Sucker at 9:20.

They then drive to Brantford (doing the speed limit as to not attract any unwanted attention) and pull over on Oak Park Road at 9:49 (approx...). Tim is dead inside, so they park the vehicles, perhaps go through his wallet for cash and ID so they know who they have just murdered, talk about what the next part of the plan is and throw Bosma’s phone out the window, perhaps in an attempt to eventually throw investigators off the scent and assume the killer(s) are in Brantford.

They then proceed with the next steps in their macabre plan.

Just my thoughts. All MOO.

 

[ABro]

If a PB is requested by the defence, it is automatic.

NOT FOR TRIALS. This applies to bail hearings and pre-trial motions so as not jeopardise the trial.

 

[Claroon]

Was thrilled a version of one of my questions in post #873 was used today--the one about the incinerator. IMO

 

[Kamille]

I still have my theory that her and MB have something to do with the unlatched trailer doors. There is just no way to prove they did


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I've thought the same thing. While there is no way that MB could have opened the rear door all the way up from inside her garage, she was in a perfect position to try to sneak a peek inside, without anyone seeing her, by pulling on those doors that were obviously poorly crafted by DM's "master mechanic" and trusty incinerator builder. So it was likely her, tugging on those back doors to open them enough to peek inside that caused the latch to be off and for the doors to fly open when LE was hauling that trailer and not when DM was hauling it.

MOO