Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[ArianeEmory]

So I wonder what went down in the truck between DM and TB.

Sorry to bring it up, but how does a driver pull a gun on a passenger sitting 2 feet away and get a shot off without the passenger getting the gun from the shooter ? The passenger would have 2 hands, the driver only 1. The driver would have to shoot with his left hand. It would be too awkward to shoot with the right and the gun would be very close to the victim.

Kind of hard to think that the driver would get the gun out and aim it without the passenger seeing it.

And yet there was GSR over the driver's seat, and the passenger window was shot, suggesting the bullet came at it from a right angle. i.e., the driver's seat.

 

[canadiangirl]

So I wonder what went down in the truck between DM and TB.

Sorry to bring it up, but how does a driver pull a gun on a passenger sitting 2 feet away and get a shot off without the passenger getting the gun from the shooter ? The passenger would have 2 hands, the driver only 1. The driver would have to shoot with his left hand. It would be too awkward to shoot with the right and the gun would be very close to the victim.

Kind of hard to think that the driver would get the gun out and aim it without the passenger seeing it.

I'm wondering the same. I don't know much about guns but I've watched movies. Regardless who shot TB and sorry to sound graphic but at point blank range that close would it not have blown part of his head off and left brain matter? That would have caused a huge mess even on DM. Makes me sick to think about

 

[brightii]

Don't forget, allegedly MS was involved in LB's murder, he had that hanging over his head for not going to LE. MOO. If he went to LE identifying DM, DM could turn on him and name MS as LB's murderer. MOO.

Yes, swedie, that could make more sense, but then if that's true, MS is allegedly a vicious murderer of two innocent people and only interested in saving his own hide by not going to police in either case, IMO.

OTOH, if MS hadn't actually participated in LB's murder but chose to stay in contact with DM knowing DM had murdered her, what does that say about MS? Why would MS have made such a terrible decision unless he was OK with DM's criminal behaviour and murder of LB? It was several months between the murders of LB and TB - and then a very sudden and IMO suspicious "suicide" of WM (that eventually got DM charged with his murder) and MS had invited DM and CN over to his own family's Christmas dinner that year? DM wasn't even on LE's radar until after everything came out about TB, IMO, and no charges were added until almost a year later, so I don't think MS didn't call police about DM murdering TB because MS was worried about being framed for LB's murder, I think he didn't tell police about either LB's or TB's murders because MS did play a role in both, IMO. I see no good reason otherwise that MS would have had to continue his friendship with DM and to willingly assist DM with other crimes, IMO. IMO, MS had choices and he made the wrong ones.

All MOO.

 

[EspressoBean]

I'm still getting way caught up from everything that was reviewed today. I believe SC said DM is left handed, so that may answer part that that for you. IMO.

I'm sure TB was on edge and wondering what the heck was going on but I would never have thought to be on the lookout for a gun if it were me. IMO. Maybe DM said, "what's what over there?" and pointed to make TB look out the window.

You are right. DM is left handed making the scenario quite feasible.
DM could be quite charming when he wanted to be, also. I don't expect that Tim had his guard up. And good rural people are usually much more trusting in these situations. jmo

 

[dar107]

Random thought, not up to date on this thread so if it's been mentioned, please forgive me.

I, at first never thought anything of MS' purple shirt today. When I read Jug's post it dawned on me- Purple was/is the colour they used for the "remembering Tim" banners. Interesting, trying to connect with the victim's family on a personal level during the most heart wrenching testimony.

Later reporters were tweeting his shirt was red and checkered though. Or "gingham"

 

[SuperSpy]

I'm wondering the same. I don't know much about guns but I've watched movies. Regardless who shot TB and sorry to sound graphic but at point blank range that close would it not have blown part of his head off and left brain matter? That would have caused a huge mess even on DM. Makes me sick to think about

Lets not forget that DM drove the truck to the farm and then the hanger in this condition, with TB in the passenger seat. And nobody noticed ? Nobody pulled up beside the truck during the drive and noticed something unusual ?

 

[Gibson67]

I still want to know how the body was moved around if MS didn't help. A dead body would be fairly heavy for one person to move around. Especially lift as high as that hatch was with the Eliminator sitting on a trailer.


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I want to know why more evidence was not found by the barn? I mean he dragged TB's bloody body from his pickup truck onto a tarp or a sheet and they found nothing near the barn doors? Where did the sheet come from? MS said while he was closing the gate he got back and TB was already on the ground on a sheet? and no blood dripped onto the ground when he was putting the body into the incinerator?

 

[ArianeEmory]

Lets not forget that DM drove the truck to the farm and then the hanger in this condition, with TB in the passenger seat. And nobody noticed ? Nobody pulled up beside the truck during the drive and noticed something unusual ?

What are you suggesting happened otherwise? You have a lot of questions that I'm not entirely following.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I want to know why more evidence was not found by the barn? I mean he dragged TB's bloody body from his pickup truck onto a tarp or a sheet and they found nothing near the barn doors? Where did the sheet come from? MS said while he was closing the gate he got back and TB was already on the ground on a sheet? and no blood dripped onto the ground when he was putting the body into the incinerator?

Morbid question, but would he still be actively bleeding?

 

[SuperSpy]

What are you suggesting happened otherwise? You have a lot of questions that I'm not entirely following.

I don't have a theory about what actually happened. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies.

Another inconsistency is that DM went for gas after shooting TB. Wouldn't at least some part of his clothing be bloody ? Did he change before he went for gas ? And then again when he got back ?

If Smich was really only peripherally involved, why didn't he call 911 when DM went for gas ? He had 40 minutes to think about it and do it. Could have told police where they were, that DM had a gun. That and his testomony today and he'd probably not get much time at all.

 

[EspressoBean]

Lets not forget that DM drove the truck to the farm and then the hanger in this condition, with TB in the passenger seat. And nobody noticed ? Nobody pulled up beside the truck during the drive and noticed something unusual ?

I don't know that we know that TB was in the same condition in the passenger seat. He could have reclined the seat or moved him out of sight, rolled the window down.
LE had said that it was believed TB was shot close to home in the truck. There does not seem to be blood evidence anywhere else that would suggest the body had been moved to another part of the vehicle or to the Yukon. I'm not sure what the alternate scenario would be. It seems that this did happen. It was dark and late they were driving mostly rural areas except for Brantford which isn't a busy city.

 

[ArianeEmory]

I don't have a theory about what actually happened. I'm just pointing out inconsistencies.

Another inconsistency is that DM went for gas after shooting TB. Wouldn't at least some part of his clothing be bloody ? Did he change before he went for gas ? And then again when he got back ?

DM is reported to have stayed overnight at the hangar sometimes and probably had spare clothes there. We already know he had emphasized to MS the point about bringing spare clothes anyway.

I mean, yeah, there's no limit to theoretical questions but a lot of this stuff is already answered in past testimony or other facts in evidence. We know Tim is dead, we know his truck ended up at the hangar, we know the incinerator ended up at the hangar, we know his remains ended up in the incinerator. Ergo the truck and his body got to their final locations *somehow*, regardless of whether the window had a bullet hole in it.

Sorry if I'm being overly assertive--a common tactic of DM's past "defense posters" was to ask lots of strange leading questions in attempts to create FUD.

 

[EspressoBean]

I want to know why more evidence was not found by the barn? I mean he dragged TB's bloody body from his pickup truck onto a tarp or a sheet and they found nothing near the barn doors? Where did the sheet come from? MS said while he was closing the gate he got back and TB was already on the ground on a sheet? and no blood dripped onto the ground when he was putting the body into the incinerator?

IF he laid the sheet down and moved Tim from the truck onto it, I don't know how much blood evidence would be around the barn. I also don't know what the floor of the upper level of the barn was like but we know that hay had been in there at some point so it is likely that there may have been a layer of hay on the floor. Easy to scoop up and put into the incinerator afterward.
Outside the barn, depending on the weather, that could have been driven over, blown away, washed away with rain if there was not large amounts.
We didn't really hear a lot of evidence about the farm. I think that it may be related to there being a lot of crossover to another trial that can't be discussed in front of the jury in this trial. There could have been some blood evidence in the barn but they may not have been able to confirm who it belonged to. jmo

 

[SuperSpy]

So when MS washes the truck at the hanger, where does the water/blood go ? Down a drain ? And police didn't find any evidence in the hanger drain or on the floor ?

Why was DM keeping the truck ? He "got rid of" everything else he stole. I don't think he went to get gas. I think he went to get a buyer for the truck, who turned him down. I think DM found himself with a hot truck on his hands with no way to get rid of it.

 

[don_quixote]

Lets not forget that DM drove the truck to the farm and then the hanger in this condition, with TB in the passenger seat. And nobody noticed ? Nobody pulled up beside the truck during the drive and noticed something unusual ?

IMO, that's why they went by side roads, one lane each way.

 

[EspressoBean]

I mean, yeah, there's no limit to theoretical questions but a lot of this stuff is already answered in past testimony or other facts in evidence. We know Tim is dead, we know his truck ended up at the hangar, we know the incinerator ended up at the hangar, we know his remains ended up in the incinerator. Ergo the truck and his body got to their final locations *somehow*, regardless of whether the window had a bullet hole in it.

Sorry if I'm being overly assertive--a common tactic of DM's past "defense posters" was to ask lots of strange leading questions in attempts to create FUD.

Agreed.

 

[ArianeEmory]

So when MS washes the truck at the hanger, where does the water/blood go ? Down a drain ? And police didn't find any evidence in the hanger drain or on the floor ?

Why was DM keeping the truck ? He "got rid of" everything else he stole. I don't think he went to get gas. I think he went to get a buyer for the truck, who turned him down. I think DM found himself with a hot truck on his hands with no way to get rid of it.

Respectfully, but you're misinformed/underinformed about a lot of aspects of this case if you believe any part of the last paragraph.

 

[SuperSpy]

Why did the police that came to the hanger to check out the hot Bobcat not get an arrest out of the visit ? The Bosma incident might not have happened if DM got arrested from that. If the GPS signal from the Bobcat pointed to the hanger, and there were suspicious types hanging around the hanger, why wasn't this acted upon ?

FWIW, I own a Bobcat and a diesel truck. My truck was stolen once. Our family had a Bobcat stolen.

 

[EspressoBean]

So when MS washes the truck at the hanger, where does the water/blood go ? Down a drain ? And police didn't find any evidence in the hanger drain or on the floor ?

Why was DM keeping the truck ? He "got rid of" everything else he stole. I don't think he went to get gas. I think he went to get a buyer for the truck, who turned him down. I think DM found himself with a hot truck on his hands with no way to get rid of it.

I'm not sure where you are getting your information from? DM kept a lot or even most of what he stole. He had reason to want this type of truck for himself that had been talked about many years before. He had arranged to have it painted red.

 

[Jug Up]

I guess young Mr. Smich won't be going into general population in jail anytime soon. He is now labelled a rat.