Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[SuperSpy]

Actually from the farm to the hangar, TB was in the incinerator per MB 's testimony.

I forgot about that little detail.

I'm more inclined to think that TB rode in the truck and they used a hoist at the hanger to get him into the incinerator, given MS's shoulder issue. Unless MS did really help DM at the farm.

 

[Quaere_veritatem]

I guess one thing we can now say for sure, that MS was present for the drive and the other stuff that night. Even as recent as this last weekend there was still discussion here as to whether or not he was actually present that night. I am assuming that issue can be put to bed now.

 

[hellkat2]

I'm not sure about that. He rolled on the rich entitled spoiled stealing murderer. I don't know if that would be seen with a lot of contempt in a jail setting.

There is no honour among thieves.

 

[don_quixote]

IMO he had a mechanic on the payroll willing to do anything it seems. So he technically could have done an engine swap.

It's not that easy. I don't know that precise truck and engine but from afaik, there are other differences - the starting mechanism, ecb, transmission, ecb. It would be way way cheaper to just buy a diesel truck, even if you somehow got a diesel truck with parts. Say, from a junkyard. It's a major project and even then I'm not sure the truck would be roadworthy.

It's just a stupid plan for too many reasons. Not to even mention the risk of getting caught and/or living with that. Makes me almost certain it was not about the truck. It was about killing. A psycho pushing his sick boundaries. Clearly, MOO

 

[canadiangirl]

It's not that easy. I don't know that precise truck and engine but from afaik, there are other differences - the starting mechanism, ecb, transmission, ecb. It would be way way cheaper to just buy a diesel truck, even if you somehow got a diesel truck with parts. Say, from a junkyard. It's a major project and even then I'm not sure the truck would be roadworthy.

It's just a stupid plan for too many reasons. Not to even mention the risk of getting caught and/or living with that. Makes me almost certain it was not about the truck. It was about killing. A psycho pushing his sick boundaries. Clearly, MOO

But they were so into rebuilding cars and engines....I don't know the mechanics behind it but I can see why the theory exists

 

[don_quixote]

Actually from the farm to the hangar, TB was in the incinerator per MB 's testimony.

I haven't seen that in the twits. Could you kindly quote?

 

[ILoveDateline]

I've been following the case daily since it started. All the witnesses thus far have lied. It is easy for SS and AM and others to distance themselves from the case to say the DM wanted this truck as his daily driver. If selling it or parting it out except the engine was part of the plan, they become deeper involved.

I also know these trucks pretty well.

BTW, the ECU also contains the VIN. The first time it goes to a dealer for service, the owner is in trouble because the printed body VIN doesn't match the ECU VIN.

The explanation they give for the use of the truck doesn't make any sense, no way, no how. Maybe they were that dumb. I think there is more to the story. I think other people are involved.

Think about it... you are going to find the truck you want online with your friend, his gf and your gf, call up the owner, meet his wife and tenant, take it for a test drive, then kill him, then repaint the truck and then drive it as your daily driver and not get caught. That is brazen. I guess these people are that dumb.

You seem to know a lot about vehicles. I don't think border patrol or customs is going to notice whatever axel business you are going on about. IMO. Switching the VIN seems like a simple way to elude detection. Let's just say for arguments sake that the VIN switch and red paint job was successful and a month down the road DM (though likely JV) is pulled over for speeding, no, lets say texting and driving, the copies is going to look at the license and registration and see a red Dodge ram. Period. IMO

But likely DM didn't think it that far through and would just lie through his teeth.

 

[SuperSpy]

Guys have swapped diesels into Dodge gassers. It isn't easy, but it is doable. Makes more sense than driving a stolen truck that is linked to a murder as your daily driver.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I forgot about that little detail.

I'm more inclined to think that TB rode in the truck and they used a hoist at the hanger to get him into the incinerator, given MS's shoulder issue. Unless MS did really help DM at the farm.

That wasn't in today's testimony which will be cross examined quite thoroughly in the days to come.

 

[don_quixote]

Why wasn't there any blood or GSR in the Yukon after DM fueled it up ?

Changed clothing

 

[Typhoo1961]

I haven't seen that in the twits. Could you kindly quote?

You can search for it as easily as I can. Reread the tweets (twits?) for today's testimony.
I'm getting my dinner.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

So I wonder what went down in the truck between DM and TB.

Sorry to bring it up, but how does a driver pull a gun on a passenger sitting 2 feet away and get a shot off without the passenger getting the gun from the shooter ? The passenger would have 2 hands, the driver only 1. The driver would have to shoot with his left hand. It would be too awkward to shoot with the right and the gun would be very close to the victim.

Kind of hard to think that the driver would get the gun out and aim it without the passenger seeing it.

DM is left-handed.

 

[ILoveDateline]

You seem to know a lot about vehicles. I don't think border patrol or customs is going to notice whatever axel business you are going on about. IMO. Switching the VIN seems like a simple way to elude detection. Let's just say for arguments sake that the VIN switch and red paint job was successful and a month down the road DM (though likely JV) is pulled over for speeding, no, lets say texting and driving, the copies is going to look at the license and registration and see a red Dodge ram. Period. IMO

But likely DM didn't think it that far through and would just lie through his teeth.

I meant to respond to one of your other posts on my last comment. As for this one, you stated you have been following along from the beginning (in a previous post), so I wonder where you get the idea that they went for a test drive with the 2 gf in tow?

Added: this was intended for SuperSpy

 

[canadiangirl]

You seem to know a lot about vehicles. I don't think border patrol or customs is going to notice whatever axel business you are going on about. IMO. Switching the VIN seems like a simple way to elude detection. Let's just say for arguments sake that the VIN switch and red paint job was successful and a month down the road DM (though likely JV) is pulled over for speeding, no, lets say texting and driving, the copies is going to look at the license and registration and see a red Dodge ram. Period. IMO

But likely DM didn't think it that far through and would just lie through his teeth.

Crossing 2 borders TWICE with a stolen vehicle not matching up would be detected easily IMO. I cross border shop quite often. Even though my vehicle is legit I've been asked more then a few times to park it and to produce my registration. They also tell you to leave your electronics in the car while they search it. And question you like crazy at times. If they are towing a huge trailer with a Jeep in it for the race, the flag to be pulled over is increased. Border patrol is quite thorough these days. Just switching a VIN and slapping on some paint wouldn't cut it IMO.

Not to mention Tim's truck was all over the news.... Including borders

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

 

[mimimic]

Yes, swedie, that could make more sense, but then if that's true, MS is allegedly a vicious murderer of two innocent people and only interested in saving his own hide by not going to police in either case, IMO.

OTOH, if MS hadn't actually participated in LB's murder but chose to stay in contact with DM knowing DM had murdered her, what does that say about MS? Why would MS have made such a terrible decision unless he was OK with DM's criminal behaviour and murder of LB? It was several months between the murders of LB and TB - and then a very sudden and IMO suspicious "suicide" of WM (that eventually got DM charged with his murder) and MS had invited DM and CN over to his own family's Christmas dinner that year? DM wasn't even on LE's radar until after everything came out about TB, IMO, and no charges were added until almost a year later, so I don't think MS didn't call police about DM murdering TB because MS was worried about being framed for LB's murder, I think he didn't tell police about either LB's or TB's murders because MS did play a role in both, IMO. I see no good reason otherwise that MS would have had to continue his friendship with DM and to willingly assist DM with other crimes, IMO. IMO, MS had choices and he made the wrong ones.

All MOO.

1. 2. 3. or 4. Last sentence is for sure. Is # 5 possible - as he says? Wow now i see how LB's ties it up even farther! What a day!! In order for me to "feel" outside of facts a certain way, i would have to witness how he is speaking in person to draw a more sure opinion.

 

[Nosey Parker]

This is a well crafted defense....
- first give background on MS, poor hard done by kid from a broken home, didn't finish school, got sucked into a bad crowd, build up some sympathy for him.
- now tell us about how important his family is to him, how close they are, how he took in a girl in need to help her get out of a bad situation, try to convince the jury at heart he is a good person
- then tell us how in jail he has gotten his GED and wants to go to college, how he's gotten off drugs, gotten off booze, taking much better care of himself, really turned his life around
- then tell things we've already heard to build up his credibility, he's coming clean about this whole thing
- then tell us more of the story and include parts we already know from other testimony to make it sound credible but the new parts are just lies you've fabricated to remove yourself from guilt

what a total and complete load of garbage, I sincerely hope the jury sees through whole line of crap and find him just as guilty as DM imo

So I'm not alone. I began to think I was from another planet. :tyou:

 

[canadiangirl]

I meant to respond to one of your other posts on my last comment. As for this one, you stated you have been following along from the beginning (in a previous post), so I wonder where you get the idea that they went for a test drive with the 2 gf in tow?

Added: this was intended for SuperSpy

I think he said they were searching for trucks to steal with gfs there based on MS testimony today

 

[mskrisc]

Remember this was a murder that he was scared he would be implicated in. Nobody knows what they would do under that amount of stress, let alone the belief that you may be framed or implicated. I don't condone not going to the police, but I can kind of understand what was running through his mind.

As well. His cell phone had died around 9:20, no?

 

[don_quixote]

Guys have swapped diesels into Dodge gassers. It isn't easy, but it is doable. Makes more sense than driving a stolen truck that is linked to a murder as your daily driver.

I'd like to ask them if they'd ever do it again

Look at the economics of this grand idiotismo. So he needs to pay the mechanic hell knows how much and the mechanic could be making $$$ for him elsewhere in the meanwhile, he messes up the red truck that he could otherwise sell to offset the costs of actually purchasing a diesel truck. He gives MS and a number of other idiots tools to blackmail him. He should have also accounted for the eventuality of getting caught.

It makes 0, absolutely 0 sense.

I mean, how long does it take for somebody to figure out that sometimes it's better to just pay than " diy". Unless one enjoys the process.

 

[mimimic]

DM is reported to have stayed overnight at the hangar sometimes and probably had spare clothes there. We already know he had emphasized to MS the point about bringing spare clothes anyway.

I mean, yeah, there's no limit to theoretical questions but a lot of this stuff is already answered in past testimony or other facts in evidence. We know Tim is dead, we know his truck ended up at the hangar, we know the incinerator ended up at the hangar, we know his remains ended up in the incinerator. Ergo the truck and his body got to their final locations *somehow*, regardless of whether the window had a bullet hole in it.

Sorry if I'm being overly assertive--a common tactic of DM's past "defense posters" was to ask lots of strange leading questions in attempts to create FUD.

FUD? sorry to lazy to look up short