Bosma Murder Trial 05.16.16 - Day 49

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 17m17 minutes ago
"I don't know where it is," Smich says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Smich tells court: "Like I said, I don't know where it is." Tells jury the gun is buried "in Oakville."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Smich says under the shock and stress he was feeling, he doesn't know where it is. #Bosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 17m17 minutes ago
Millard's lawyer - hammering away again. He wants Smich to give up where the gun is. Smich says he doesn't know #Bosma @CTVNews

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 17m17 minutes ago
Smich says the "shock and stress" he doesn't remember where the gun is. @AM900CHML

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 17m17 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer says he could get hundreds of officers to search for the gun, right now IF Smich could just narrow down where the gun is.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak says 100 officers will go right now if he points it out. "Like I said under the shock and stress I was feeling, I don't know where"

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak says let's break that down so the jury knows what kind of shock/stress you were feeling. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak suggests he made the decision to bury the gun because Daly gave him the idea. He agrees. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 17m17 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Smich repeats. I was shocked. Paranoid. #Bosma #HamOnt

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
Where was the gun before he physically picked it up and cycled somewhere? It was in his mother's garage. In a washing machine.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak asks where the gun was before this. It was inside a washing machine (not hooked up) in his mother's garage. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

"You were sober enough to cycle without falling off the bike," Sachak says. "I think you can ride a bike drunk, I've done it before," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 11:22 AM

Smich says he doesn't recall falling off the bike, but says it's "unlikely."
by Adam Carter 11:23 AM

"What I'm saying to the jury and this court is that I do not recall the events of that night," Smich says.
by Adam Carter 11:23 AM

 

[JuneBug67]

I don't like Sachak or his lame attempts at humour, but he's doing a good job, IMO. Sachak is making it very clear to me that MS is lying. MS can't back his stories up with any detail whatsoever.
As if he can't guess at the size of the spade he used, how he carried the spade on his bike, whether he buried the gun in a ravine or a bush, etc. etc. Pfffft.

It's kind of no win questioning. If he doesn't remember anything that doesn't feel credible, but it's consistent. If he claims to remember it would be "oh you remember this detail but not where you buried a gun!".

 

[Ontario Mom]

@PeterAkmanCTV [video=twitter;732228483905126400]https://twitter.com/PeterAkmanCTV/status/732228483905126400[/video] Millard seemingly enjoying the cross examination of Smich. Small smile on his face. Watching his co-accused. #Bosma @CTVNews

Not sure why DM is enjoying it. He's toast too.

Because he enjoys seeing people suffer? Just a guess. He's a vile human being.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Smich telling jury gun was hidden in washing machine in garage at his mom's house.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Google map? "That would not help at all," says Smich.

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 17m17 minutes ago
Gun was being kept in a washing machine that wasn't hooked up in Smich's mother's garage. #Bosma @CTVNews

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18m18 minutes ago
"The washing machine in the garage was not hooked up to anything," Smich explains. His mother lived there. Diagnosed breast cancer 2011ish

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 17m17 minutes ago
Very strong cross. Millards lawyer mocking. Poking pressing him to give up the gun. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
"It was a stupid idea that it was brought there in the first place, but that's what I did until I took it out and buried it."

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak says his mother who had breast cancer. Smich says she was cancer free by that point. Says it was a stupid idea to put it there.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18m18 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
'It was a stupid idea' Smich says, to put the gun at first in his mother's washing machine, in the garage #Bosma #HamOnt

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
"It was a stupid idea," to put the gun in the washing machine, Smich says. "I have somewhat of recollection of taping it...

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Recalls taking it, putting it in a bag with tape. "There's empty shopping bags around the house."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Smich says once he got the gun out, it was put in an empty shopping bag and taped. #Bosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 17m17 minutes ago
"I have somewhat of a recollection, of putting it in a bag, taping it up and removing it." #Smich about getting rid of gun #Bosma @CTVNews

 

[cckp72]

Maybe there is method to this madness of cross. Maybe Sachak is trying to get him agitated to show how his temper can escalate? Just a thought.

 

[Kamille]

IMHO, if MS had told LE where the gun was, he would be the only one on trial right now and DM would have gotten away with 3 murders.

Why would you think that? No doubt DM had already wiped it before wrapping it in cloth and putting it in the toolbox so no one would expect his fingerprints to be on it. He also washed the satchel that MS claims he put it in. Why would he have done that? MS may have played around with and touched the gun, including he trigger, when he got it, but apparently Arthur was there to vouch for him about his surprise when he first saw it. I suppose if it was necessary, putting Arthur on the stand was an option?

I think he's lying about the gun because he was under surveillance that week. How did the LE officers in charge of his surveillance miss him leaving Speers and heading over to his mother's place? And how did his mother or sister miss the fact that he was out in the garage wrapping up a gun in a shopping bag?

His sister told him to get "everything" out of the house. Did she also assist him in getting everything out of the house? Is he covering for someone he loves very much here?

There is no other reason why he shouldn't have helped LE locate that gun if he could have. No one would expect the shooter's prints or victim's DNA to still be on it after all it went through IMO.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
"...putting it in a bag and taking it." Sachak asking about deliberate efforts to get tape & wrap gun & put it in bag. #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 17m17 minutes ago
Smich says he remembers taping the gun. Putting it in a shopping bag. @AM900CHML

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Wrapped the gun with tape. "Under the circumstances with what I was feeling, that's what I did." Why wrap it? "I don't know."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak asks why the tape. Smich says he wasn't thinking at that time, he doesn't know. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18m18 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Smich remembers wrapping the gun in tape. Says he 'wasn't thinking completely at that time.' #Bosma #HamOnt

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18m18 minutes ago
Why the tape? "I wasn't thinking completely at that time, I, I don't know," Smich falters. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak says he made a conscious decision to get the bag, to go get some tape--he asks the reason for taping a gun. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Smich says "I don't know sir." #Bosma

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 18m18 minutes ago
Smich can't say why he taped it. "I don't know' @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18m18 minutes ago
What's the reason to tape up a gun, I don't get it, Sachak says. I agree, Smich says. I don't know, sir. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18m18 minutes ago
He doesn't know why he taped the gun, Smich says. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak says "you can't tell us today why you made the decision to tape it up." Smich agrees. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Smich says the bike was a bmx stunt bike.
by Adam Carter 11:25 AM

Sachak says cycling to the forest required some coordination. Smich says it was more a "random thing that happened."
by Adam Carter 11:26 AM

Sachak asks Smich what his mother's address is, and he gives the address and the main intersection.
by Adam Carter 11:26 AM

Smich says his mom has lived there for about ten years.
by Adam Carter 11:28 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18m18 minutes ago
Were you planning to stick it on a wall? Take it to college and say this is what a gun looks like when it's taped? #Bosma

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 18m18 minutes ago
Question after question after question... but no real answers from #Smich #Bosma @CTVNews

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak asks if he was going to tape it to the wall. Or take it to a university and say this is what a gun looks like taped. #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
No, that's not what I was thinking, Smich says. "I don't know what I was thinking at that time." #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Smich says no he wasn't going to do that. Doesn't know what he was thinking at this time. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak asks if he was going to take taped gun to police? "No, that's not what I was thinking...I don't know what I was thinking."

 

[spanishshara]

IF in fact, MS did not shoot Tim but it was DM that did, it would obviously be in MS's best interest of course to produce the gun. IF this is actually what happened, and IF he really did bury it in a haze of panic and confusion and smoking and drinking... it would seem to me he really doesn't remember where he buried it.

I agree but at the same time everyone responds to crisis and trauma differently in their brain. So while I think MS knows where the gun is, I could definitely see him acting paranoid and thinking fast without realizing all of the consequences...even if he didn't shoot Tim. And even if it could exonerate him. MS just doesn't seem too bright.

 

[Ontario_girl]

He has a reason to hide that gun. Sorry, but if he rode into the woods, he knows what path he took and can give a general idea. Like oh I turned off this road and road my bike for about 5 mins before I buried it. Or I entered the woods through the park. Heck, I could tell you where I entered a wooded escarpment for a hike 3 years ago. Plus he's from Oakville, and he obviously entered the woods close to home. This is all imo.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak asks about the tool used to bury the gun. "A gardening tool..like a small shovel. A spade I think they call it," Smich says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 17m17 minutes ago
Used a "gardening tool, a small shovel, a spade" to bury gun.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
Smich used a gardening tool, a small shovel, a spade, to bury the gun. Average length. Sachak says he lives in a condo. Doesn't know avg

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 17m17 minutes ago
Sachak asks him how big the spade was. Smich says average. Sachak says he lives in a condo in a congested city. #Bosma

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18m18 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer attempting to undo the image Smich presented last week, an unwilling, unknowing partner to Bosma's death #Bosma #HamOnt

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak wants Smich to use his arms to show jury how long the spade is. Smich says he doesn't know.

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Smich says if anyone in the jury knows about gardening or has been to Home Depot, it's the average size they come in. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak asks him to use his physical hands. Smich says "I don't know." #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 17m17 minutes ago
Use your hands, look at the jury! Sachak says. Smich says no. He doesn't know. Says go to Home Depot. Refuses to extend hands correct length

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18m18 minutes ago
"I don't remember. I don't know," says Smich. Sachak says he'll move his own arms slowly apart and Smich can stop him.

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18m18 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Millard's lawyer now trying to determine how big the spade was Smich used to bury the gun - he uses his hands #Bosma #HamOnt

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak says he'll use his hands and slowly move apart and Smich can then say. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 18m18 minutes ago
This round of questions is strange... not sure the point. Many smiles and uncomfortable laughs in court. #Bosma @CTVNews

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak hammering MS on how big spade was he used to bury gun. Now spreading his hands as wide as possible.MS doesn't know. @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak is moving his hands slowly apart. Until fully extended. Smich doesn't stop him. I don't know. He got the spade from his mother's

Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV 18m18 minutes ago Toronto, Ontario
Smich says he doesn't know how big the spade was. #Bosma #HamOnt #Smich

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak fully extends his arms and Smich just says "I don't know." Got spade from "my mother's house...Somewhere outside the house."

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Sachak's arms are fully spread. Smich again says he doesn't know. It came from somewhere outside his mom's house. #Bosma

 

[Velma]

Smich says he moved in there with her around then. He lived there for a few years, and then moved out a couple of times.
by Adam Carter 11:28 AM

Smich agrees he knows the neighbourhood around his mother's place to some extent.
by Adam Carter 11:31 AM

Smich says he doesn't recall what route he took from his mother's when he buried the gun, because of the state he was in.
by Adam Carter 11:32 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 18m18 minutes ago
Crt laughing at fact MS can't say at all how big spade was. A foot. 5 ft. Doesn't remember. @AM900CHML

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 18m18 minutes ago
He figures the spade was somewhere outside his mother's house. Maybe I grabbed it from a table. I dunno. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
He says he might've grabbed it off a table. Sachak suggests he made a conscious decision to go look for an object to use. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 18m18 minutes ago
Smich says under the circumstances and feelings he had at the time, he made the decision. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 18m18 minutes ago
"Under the circumstances and everything I was feeling at that time, I made the decision" to bury the gun, Smich repeats again.

Peter Akman ‏@PeterAkmanCTV 18m18 minutes ago
"You weren't flying or swimming to get this spade... where you?" Millard's lawyer trying to jog Smich's memory and mock him #Bosma @CTVNews