Bosma Murder Trial 05.16.16 - Day 49

[MrsThreadgoode]

Interesting. Could that be the mystery "Scotty" or "scotte"?

Could you please explain? I read the entire post, but didn't see any reference to "Scotty". Thank you.

 

[Massasauga Rattler]

Could you please explain? I read the entire post, but didn't see any reference to "Scotty". Thank you.

The name of the so called "friend" of MS who authored the comment. Recal "Scotty" from LW's texts with DM.

 

[deugirtni]

I'm drug naive but Google helped me with Oxy. It appears to be white so I'm curious what an "orange guy" could be

It looks like there are piles of orange pills/caps, some of which are stated to have 'high potential for abuse':

http://www.drugs.com/imprints.php?color=7

 

[Arnie M]

I just watched the press conference that was held after DM's arrest was announced with DP, DM's original lawyer. Kamille reminded me about it tonight. DP said he couldn't get into the framing aspect and that multiple suspects were being sought. Can you imagine what MS must have thought if he saw and heard DM's lawyer speaking about the case? I'd think it likely that MS would assume DM had been talking to his lawyer and maybe even to the police, or that police knew about others involved and that could have caused MS to become paranoid and think DM was going to blab about MS and set him up as the fall guy.

I think that both DM and MS were only interested in saving their own hide and both were prepared to deny any involvement in TB's murder and to place all the blame on the other at all costs to avoid prison, but IMO both were in on everything involved with the crime together all along until they each got arrested. That's when the bond between them began to break, IMO. The only reason either of them had to try and frame the other is because they didn't really trust each other enough to stay silent for long, so both tried to spin a credible story to save themselves and to take the other one down. Neither of them was prepared to sacrifice their own freedom for the sake of the other and everything they did after their arrest was all about self- preservation. Now it may be hard for the jury to know which one to believe and that just may result in a conviction for 1st degree murder for them both.

All MOO.

Agreed ..... It is a good reminder for us to consider why DM's groupies may have did what they did (coverup and lie and not go to police).... DM's first lawyer went on public TV proclaiming DM's innocence and implied there were multiple other suspects

Most of the groupies had knowledge about DM's earlier thefts , most had a inkling that he might steal a truck , so at the very least they were slightly complicit .... however when Deepak Paradkar stated the framing aspect they immediately knew it was Bull and likely figured DM might try to finger them instead.

If that indeed was their mindset we cannot blame them for being evasive ... they were not nessesarily trying to protect DM as much as they were trying to protect themselves.

Pretty hard for them to call the cops and say .... hey , I am one of DM's gang of thieves but I did not steal the black truck , we only stole Bobcats , woodchippers , trees , and Harley motorcycles.

Dellens first lawyer should shoulder much of the blame ... first for believing DM ,and secondly for publicly blaming other people in order to make his client look innocent. Most likely DM told Paradkar he innocently bought a truck that ended up in his hangar and one of his employees (AJ) called the police to frame him for the theft .... DM had already text one of his other friends the same thing (Whidden I think)

 

[Deleted member 102539]

I feel like MS was the "outsider" in DM's circle. He's to DM like Arthur was to MS. IMO

The main players:
SS - trusty sidekick mechanic who saw nothing
MH - longtime family friend
AM - DM's bestie with the matchy match tats
CN - his lying gf
LW - his thing on the side
MB - well she just makes me sick

Then there's MS
BD - bestie
Arthur - guy they felt sorry for
MM - gf who bailed as soon as he was arrested.

Although I don't know that I 100% believe MS yet at this point. I do think he was the tag along that DM felt "sorry" for.

Could it be that the red marked ones are the "n....s" MS was afraid of?

 

[deugirtni]

May I ask: Sister - I see. Mum - with brown hair or platinum?

I thought in amongst the photos found on MS's ipad, (or somewhere else along the way?), there was a pic of his mom? (I can't put my hands on it now though). In the wedding photos the bride (MS's sister) is pictured with a woman who could either be her mom (MS's mom) or the groom's mom, and she has the reddish hair, but can't tell if it's the same woman as in the mobreporter's video (I would make a terrible eye witness). There is also another pic of the bride with another woman with platinum hair.. maybe someone else might know for sure which one on the video is Mom.

 

[deugirtni]

Could it be that the red marked ones are the "n....s" MS was afraid of?

I had wondered if the n's were the 'matthews' gang, that group who could have perhaps sold the murder weapon in the first place. As much as those red-marked people seem to be liars and involved in crime to one extent or another, I doubt if MS would have had to fear them. moo

 

[deugirtni]

Agreed ..... It is a good reminder for us to consider why DM's groupies may have did what they did (coverup and lie and not go to police).... DM's first lawyer went on public TV proclaiming DM's innocence and implied there were multiple other suspects

Most of the groupies had knowledge about DM's earlier thefts , most had a inkling that he might steal a truck , so at the very least they were slightly complicit .... however when Deepak Paradkar stated the framing aspect they immediately knew it was Bull and likely figured DM might try to finger them instead.

If that indeed was their mindset we cannot blame them for being evasive ... they were not nessesarily trying to protect DM as much as they were trying to protect themselves.

Pretty hard for them to call the cops and say .... hey , I am one of DM's gang of thieves but I did not steal the black truck , we only stole Bobcats , woodchippers , trees , and Harley motorcycles.

Dellens first lawyer should shoulder much of the blame ... first for believing DM ,and secondly for publicly blaming other people in order to make his client look innocent. Most likely DM told Paradkar he innocently bought a truck that ended up in his hangar and one of his employees (AJ) called the police to frame him for the theft .... DM had already text one of his other friends the same thing (Whidden I think)

We have to keep in mind that wayyyy back then, DM and his lawyer had NO idea how much evidence police had, and how much they would eventually find. I don't believe at that early stage, that they had much (if any) disclosure yet. At that time, DM was probably thinking that he dotted all of his i's and crossed all of his t's, and that he couldn't even be proven to have even been there that night at all, hence the comment about the things he was accused of, being as far-fetched as saying he'd gone to the moon. I'll bet his defence at the time was going to be that he simply bought a truck, and whoever he bought it from was trying to set him up to be the fallguy for murdering the owner. moo

 

[deugirtni]

Could you please explain? I read the entire post, but didn't see any reference to "Scotty". Thank you.

It was in the comments section.

 

[Arnie M]

Could it be that the red marked ones are the "n....s" MS was afraid of?

I always assumed the "" MS mentioned was a derogatory term for the homicide detectives now assigned to the case .... MS knew they would not "f-around" and he would be up against some heavy hitters compared to the street cops he normally encountered.

 

[Arnie M]

We have to keep in mind that wayyyy back then, DM and his lawyer had NO idea how much evidence police had, and how much they would eventually find. I don't believe at that early stage, that they had much (if any) disclosure yet. At that time, DM was probably thinking that he dotted all of his i's and crossed all of his t's, and that he couldn't even be proven to have even been there that night at all, hence the comment about the things he was accused of, being as far-fetched as saying he'd gone to the moon. I'll bet his defence at the time was going to be that he simply bought a truck, and whoever he bought it from was trying to set him up to be the fallguy for murdering the owner. moo

Agreed , nobody had full disclosure yet ..., even the police did not know really know what happened , even today nobody is certain what went down ... and I guess that was my point .... we still (wrongly) expect the groupies should have come forward ... but in their defense they were just as muddled and uncertain as anyone , thus the denials , changing statements , things like that.

We might picture police as "friends" whereas DM's group would see them as adversaries ... with the exception of temporary employee AJ who was ready to go to the police the first day but did not because he also did not know everything and worried he was putting himself and family in danger.

Bit of a Yawn in court yesterday .... hope there are some fireworks today.


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[Arnie M]

I had wondered if the n's were the 'matthews' gang, that group who could have perhaps sold the murder weapon in the first place. As much as those red-marked people seem to be liars and involved in crime to one extent or another, I doubt if MS would have had to fear them. moo

Yes , that could be it too ... the gun sellers ... to snitch on those guys can be harmful to ones health.

 

[deugirtni]

I agree. If I was him I'd think I'd have claimed my lawyer suggested I not comment. Doesn't he have a right to remain silent on some issues?
I can't figure out why at this point, if I were him, I'd want to give up the location. So it's a moot conversation to have with the cross examiner not because he doesn't know where it is but because he doesn't want to incriminate himself any further. One never knows how things may be turned against you. IMO

MS had the right to remain silent and not to testify in his own defence, but he gave up that right and chose to be give his testimony in defence of himself, and to implicate his co-accused. I think when he did that, he opened himself up to a requirement to tell the truth and answer all questions truthfully, even during cross examination. I don't think (but I don't know) that he can pick and choose which questions to answer at this point, he is required to answer all of them. I think that is why it is perhaps rare to see a person accused of first degree murder take the stand, and why it was a big deal that MS decided to do so. moo

An accused person has the right to remain silent. They do not have to give evidence at trial. If an accused person chooses to give evidence, he or she may be cross-examined by the prosecutor and must answer questions.

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/victims-victimes/court-tribunaux/trial-proces.html

 

[deugirtni]

Yes , that could be it too ... the gun sellers ... to snitch on those guys can be harmful to ones health.

Not only to snitch, but for the illegally purchased firearm to be found by LE in MS's possession after it having been used to murder someone would definitely not be cool and I would think he would be putting himself at risk to not get rid of that weapon to never be found. Who knows what the implications of that gun might be.. for all we know, the discovery of that gun could lead to a whole different story, for example what if a pile of firearms could have been reported stolen from somewhere along the line, and if police were able to identify one of the pieces stolen in that job, that could be opening up a whole new can of worms for certain people/groups.

 

[hellkat2]

Does that mean that DM wrote that down for his lawyers to ask because he wants to know where the gun is? To possibly dig it up later if he is acquitted?

Or ....the gun that MS buried is not the one that killed TB and he knows it. Two gun theory.

 

[hellkat2]

It shows that there was a reason why DM didn't give it to MS, and why MS reuses to allow it to be discovered. There is obviously something about that gun that makes it clear that MS used the gun, and they both know it, in my opinion.

Our comments can't be used on twitter can they?

 

[andreww]

Not only to snitch, but for the illegally purchased firearm to be found by LE in MS's possession after it having been used to murder someone would definitely not be cool and I would think he would be putting himself at risk to not get rid of that weapon to never be found. Who knows what the implications of that gun might be.. for all we know, the discovery of that gun could lead to a whole different story, for example what if a pile of firearms could have been reported stolen from somewhere along the line, and if police were able to identify one of the pieces stolen in that job, that could be opening up a whole new can of worms for certain people/groups.

Remember, Isho is already facing one serious charge of selling the gun that killed WM. I think the last thing MS wants to do is piss off a guy like that. Smich may be safe in prison but his mom and sister are still targets and I don't think it's beyond a guy like Isho to get word to Smich that if that gun turns up, there will be consequences.

 

[Deleted member 102539]

Agreed , nobody had full disclosure yet ..., even the police did not know really know what happened , even today nobody is certain what went down ... and I guess that was my point .... we still (wrongly) expect the groupies should have come forward ... but in their defense they were just as muddled and uncertain as anyone , thus the denials , changing statements , things like that.

We might picture police as "friends" whereas DM's group would see them as adversaries ... with the exception of temporary employee AJ who was ready to go to the police the first day but did not because he also did not know everything and worried he was putting himself and family in danger.

Bit of a Yawn in court yesterday .... hope there are some fireworks today.


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bbm red

Now I know: Your M within your username means certainly Mark?

 

[hellkat2]

You have to wonder if lawyers do their clients any favours when they advise them to remain silent. Sometimes it seems to me the client would have been in a better position had they chosen to speak to police. Could MS have told police where the gun was and then exercise his right to remain stay silent on other parts of the crime? Is it an all or nothing type of thing?

All MOO.

A lawyer sat on the tapes Karla Homolka gave him if you are familiar with that case.

 

[hellkat2]

This could be a very long cross examination. However, I am impressed at how collected MS appears to be coming thru in his answers via twitter. Sachak does have a way of getting on my nerves- MOO

Smitch is unravelling. Call it silent rage. He will break down. IMO. DM smirking at him. Lawyer taunting him. The Bosma's looking at him. The Jury looking at him...laughing.