Bosma Murder Trial 05.16.16 - Day 49

[hellkat2]

Those have to be the 2 stupidest questions I've ever heard.

As ridiculous as what is coming out of MS mouth...including what is not coming out as well. This is a perfect line of questioning for this individual in my opinion.

 

[hellkat2]

@PeterAkmanCTV [video=twitter;732228483905126400]https://twitter.com/PeterAkmanCTV/status/732228483905126400[/video] Millard seemingly enjoying the cross examination of Smich. Small smile on his face. Watching his co-accused. #Bosma @CTVNews

Not sure why DM is enjoying it. He's toast too.

DM is trying to get MS angrier by basically expressing his enjoyment of his demise.

 

[andreww]

Or ....the gun that MS buried is not the one that killed TB and he knows it. Two gun theory.

There are many reasons Smich could me keeping quite about the gun that have nothing to do with implicating himself. I mean hell, there's a pretty good chance he didn't even bury it. Maybe he doesn't want to implicate the person that has it now? Who knows? But one thing that does show is that this is not the behaviour of an innocent man.

 

[hellkat2]

I wonder what DM's interview was like? MS was crying- perhaps DM was getting inspiration and composure from the tattoos on his arms?

MS was crying....but can you determine by the video if there were any actual tears coming out?

 

[hellkat2]

"When you were cycling, your eyes were open ... you used your legs to move the paddles in a motion, that goes without saying," Sachak says.
by Adam Carter 11:20 AM

Smich says that "just makes sense."
by Adam Carter 11:20 AM

Sachak again says the bag with the gun could have been "taped to his body," -- Smich once again repeats that he doesn't remember. "I was a little bit drunk that day, a little bit high."
by Adam Carter 11:21 AM

A little bit drunk & a little bit high might make you forget what you ate for breakfast but definately could not account for the selective memory he is proposing.

 

[Typhoo1961]

I always assumed the "" MS mentioned was a derogatory term for the homicide detectives now assigned to the case

That was my first thought too.

 

[hellkat2]

It's kind of no win questioning. If he doesn't remember anything that doesn't feel credible, but it's consistent. If he claims to remember it would be "oh you remember this detail but not where you buried a gun!".

He is wearing him down. And it is my opinion that it will work. MS will become unglued.

 

[hellkat2]

Because he enjoys seeing people suffer? Just a guess. He's a vile human being.

That's why DM and MS got along so well.

 

[missberry]

I'm curious to how many people would remember. If one was to go out into a forest and bury something if they'd really know where exactly they buried it. Be in the frame MS claimed to be in (scared, frantic etc). Don't look for special trees, rocks or anything iconic to where you bury your item and in the dark. Go back in 3 days and see if you can find your item. I'm going to say, I'm 100% sure I wouldn't find my item or even be able to tell you where its location is. Other then, in a forest somewhere and which forest.

Just catching up from last night, but wanted to say this is a good point. I got engaged in a forest somewhere in Hamilton and I've thought a lot about how I wish I could find that spot again. However, I could tell you the name of the place and the path we walked on. When we deviated off the path though to walk deeper into the forest I would have no clue. I suspected what was about to happen so I wasn't thinking of much other then that my life was about to change. No landmarks or anything left in my memory today other then the actual engagement. I could tell you almost every second of the engagement though. My point is even though I can see that MS might not remember the exact spot, it's hard to believe he remembers nothing. Where he went into the forest or how he actually buried the gun....the fact he can't remember anything makes me feel like something is missing or it's mostly a lie.

 

[andreww]

Smitch is unravelling. Call it silent rage. He will break down. IMO. DM smirking at him. Lawyer taunting him. The Bosma's looking at him. The Jury looking at him...laughing.

Don't count on that. Judging by what people here are saying (which is a far more knowledgeable group than the general public), there is about 20% of them that are actually buying his story. If 20% buy it, there are a hell of a lot more that have reasonable doubt. That's all he needs. He knows he's in a fight for his life right now and I don't think he'll jeopardize that.

And what's there to get angry about? He's lying. He knows it and he knows the lawyers know it. It's just a big game of "Prove It". Lawyer calling him a liar aren't going to hurt his feelings because he knows he is one.

 

[andreww]

Just catching up from last night, but wanted to say this is a good point. I got engaged in a forest somewhere in Hamilton and I've thought a lot about how I wish I could find that spot again. However, I could tell you the name of the place and the path we walked on. When we deviated off the path though to walk deeper into the forest I would have no clue. I suspected what was about to happen so I wasn't thinking of much other then that my life was about to change. No landmarks or anything left in my memory today other then the actual engagement. I could tell you almost every second of the engagement though. My point is even though I can see that MS might not remember the exact spot, it's hard to believe he remembers nothing. Where he went into the forest or how he actually buried the gun....the fact he can't remember anything makes me feel like something is missing or it's mostly a lie.

Agreed. I really don't understand why Smich doesn't just lie about where he buried the gun? Cops will never find it and he can just claim that he only remembers a general area. At least he would give the impression that he was trying to help.

 

[Inspector_North]

where is the evidence to back any of this up though?

-a second gun was buried
-someone else buried the gun

Where is the evidence he even buried it?

 

[andreww]

And a final thought about the gun. Who's to say ballistic tests wouldn't show that the gun had been used to kill somebody else?


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[Inspector_North]

And a final thought about the gun. Who's to say ballistic tests wouldn't show that the gun had been used to kill somebody else?


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I wonder if DM can return it? After all it was guaranteed clean by MWJ.

 

[hellkat2]

My argument to that is that DM should have taken the stand first and he and his defense throw the first punches with their proof and their logic why DM didn't speak up immediately as he was the first arrested to give the Bosma family resolution..

My answer to this is that MS is becoming unglued.

 

[redheart]

I don't think MS possesses a great deal of intellectual prowess. Sachack on the other hand, is well trained in what he's doing. Yet somehow he can't get MS to change his story. Not even slightly. To me, this lends a great deal of credibility to the idea that MS isn't actually lying.

I see what you're saying, but it's not hard to stick to your story when your story is "I was scared, I was paranoid, I can't remember."

 

[ILoveDateline]

It certainly sounds like he was reassuring him about the location of the gun(s).

That text msg occurred during the predawn hours of May 10. The afternoon of May 10, the police spent an hour at the hangar and DM fired AJ soon after they left and later sent a text to LW, "looks bad, I think someone I work with has set me up. I'm not sure why." That evening DM was arrested, about 15 minutes after he'd spent 50 minutes with MS. If there was any doubt about the meaning of the retooled text message, odds are it was addressed then.

I think MH wouldn't need more than the assumption that the toolbox contained harder drugs, as it normally did, to want to get rid of it, especially as DM had been arrested and they could easily all be connected as friends, if not thieves at that point. MH had known DM all his life, so if there was any nudging needed to get MH to pass the toolbox on, DM would know how to do it and could've told MS that afternoon, and then MS could've passed it on to AM during one of the phone calls between them. I do think not having (assumed) drugs in his possession was enough for MH though.

Thanks for this post. I hadn't put together that DM and MS saw each other on the 10th. I had posted yesterday wondering how MS and/or AM found out MH had the toolbox. The text, the timing of the text, and the possible discussion in person certainly addresses this. Thanks.

 

[redheart]

In texting, the ellipses used in this context (from the timeline) are called dot dot dot:

May 9 - 11:29 pm - Noudga phone pings in Kleinburg. Makes several attempts to reach Hagerman.

May 10 - 1:39 am - Hagerman texts Millard (on Noudga's phone): "really? Kk...can you tell me what these toys are so I can prepare myself?"
May 10 - 1:55 am - Millard (on Noudga's phone) texts Hagerman: "a toolbox."
May 10 - 1:57 am - Hagerman texts Millard (on Noudga's phone): "haha full of guns?"
May 10 - 2:11 am - Millard (on Noudga's phone) texts Hagerman: "..."

May 10 - 4:10 am - Millard (on Noudga's phone) texts Hagerman: "2."
May 10 - 4:12 am - Millard meets Hagerman in driveway of Hagerman's parents' home, provides a toolbox with small padlock on it.

Urban Dictionary

The next entry in the timeline strongly indicates giving the toolbox to MH was preplanned by DM and MS:

May 10 - 4:46 am - Millard messages Smich: "Retooled for stormy weather, all clear, getting some sleep now, 7 am accounting meeting."

Wow, nice work - putting this together this way!

 

[hellkat2]

Thank you. I think we're well beyond the point where any of the regular posters need to be accused of having an agenda. And I think those of us with outlier opinions (or no firm opinion at all) have all been being painfully honest about admitting we may be wrong.

And I say this as a person who thinks MS is lying about not remembering anything about the night he hid the gun. I still respect other people sharing their views on how human memory works, or even personal experiences with trauma.

The whole truth and nothing but the truth. What MS and many of these witnesses have done is a crime of omission.

 

[andreww]

A lawyer sat on the tapes Karla Homolka gave him if you are familiar with that case.

For historical accuracy, Karla never gave anyone the tapes. Paul Bernardo instructed his lawyer where they could be found. He recovered them and sat on them while Karla got her deal. Homolka certainly wouldn't have gotten that sweet deal if the tapes had been handed over to police when they were first found.