Bosma Murder Trial 05.19.16 - Day 52

[canadiangirl]

Maybe this answered the SIM card question yesterday.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?308312-Bosma-Murder-Trial-05-18-16-Day-51&p=12570353#post12570353

I missed that thanks! Still looking for where I'm sure someone testified the phone is what's needed to recover data.

 

[Errrr]

Diversion south on Oak Park (Bobcat dealership)
IMO, while driving, (purple) with TB already dead, DM suddenly got paranoid that TB phone could track them in real time... SB could use the "find my phone" feature and know where they were.
DM pulled off the main drag to hunt for the phone... found it, ditched it and then back to the plan... (green) headed for Roseville farm.

So, that route has them pass through downtown Paris, (about 700 ft from an OPP station). I'm surprised no video from any downtown businesses!

 

[deugirtni]

There's no doubt Sachak's style isn't for everyone and some people will respond to it better/worse than others. It's the level of disdain I find weird.

There must be a large level of leeway being given to DM's defence team for the judge to allow the repeated grilling of single questions. I recall when other witnesses who weren't giving correct answers were asked the same question only a few times, but the judge admonished and said to move on. The answer, 'I don't recall', IS an answer. It may not be a liked or valued answer, but an answer it is nonetheless. Some of the reporters are tweeting about not only the words spoken, but also little observations they make, like glances, smirks, whatever. A couple of times it was noted the judge was rubbing his eyes, presumed to be due to the incessant grilling, a mention was made of a court clerk, etc. It has to be exhausting for everyone! If it was just one day, or half a day, that would be one thing, but when it is *everyday*, the level of disdain must go way up.

 

[ABro]

What about the letters written by DM to which he has admitted were written by him? Are they considered direct or circumstantial? What about the texts? Just curious. It seems so weird that DNA or a fingerprint could be considered circumstantial, while someone's say-so, which could be a bold-faced lie, is considered direct evidence. I remember the first day when the judge outlined each, I was surprised back then as well.

Texts and letters often get into hearsay territory with admissibility arguments over whether they are direct evidence or hearsay.

People mistakenly believe circumstantial evidence is somehow lesser but it's not.

It's up to the jury to determine if those giving direct evidence are lying about some or all of it.

 

[deugirtni]

Perhaps the poster was referring to this article?

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/4...ed-bosma-killer-s-girlfriend-was-incinerated/

"A source close to the investigation, who is not authorized to speak publicly, has told The Spectator that police believe Babcock met a similar fate. Her body has not been recovered, the source says."

Thanks, it was the dates that the OP had wrong, that I was seeking clarification on.

 

[canadiangirl]

Ok so Michael Ryder the cell phone expert testified they used extraction software for the cell phones called Cellebrite. This could recover even deleted data if not overwritten.

So.. This still makes me wonder then. Again. What is the huge significance of the SIM? They had 4 cell phones belonging to MS and iPad.

What am I missing?

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

 

[deugirtni]

Well the blood spatter expert also wasn't willing to say where the shot came from.

And no one called a shooting reconstructionist. Although it came out during testimony that the blood spatter guy was also a shooting reconstructionist (not qualified to give expert testimony at this trial).

So, it is kind of a little strange that some dude on the internet is prepared to tell us unequivocally what none of the experts did, don't you think?

I find it even more strange that nobody got an expert to reveal his/her opinion on from where the shot originated. The Gerard fellow could have done that, except he hadn't been offered up to be qualified as that expert, but he easily could have been, so why not?

 

[RandomName479]

I find it even more strange that nobody got an expert to reveal his/her opinion on from where the shot originated. The Gerard fellow could have done that, except he hadn't been offered up to be qualified as that expert, but he easily could have been, so why not?

Good point. Maybe TD will still call his own expert......I haven't decided if I think MS will be the one and only witness for the defense of if there will be others.....MOO

 

[Errrr]

Wow, really? NS's cross had the exact opposite effect on me. His client's account is full of holes, and now the 5% of me that was considering it *possible* that both were in the vehicle at the time of shooting, has gone to zero %. moo. Also, where is it seen what the percentage of people speculating on MS as the shooter? Is there a link?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306707-Who-do-you-think-shot-TB-Millard-or-Smich

I do t know if we have historic data though.

 

[Claroon]

Ok so Michael Ryder the cell phone expert testified they used extraction software for the cell phones called Cellebrite. This could recover even deleted data if not overwritten.

So.. This still makes me wonder then. Again. What is the huge significance of the SIM? They had 4 cell phones belonging to MS and iPad.

What am I missing?

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise

Perhaps for one this: "May 10 9:00 am During a.m. hours, Smich (iPad) sends Millard a series of messages which were later deleted. Content unrecoverable." (billandrew spreadsheet)

 

[canadiangirl]

Perhaps for one this: "May 109:00 amDuring a.m. hours, Smich (iPad) sends Millard a series of messages which were later deleted. Content unrecoverable." (billandrew spreadsheet)

But an iPad wouldn't have a SIM.

 

[Claroon]

Just revisited SS's testimony on DM's volatility via this article:http://cnews.canoe.com/CNEWS/Crime/2016/04/05/22620688.html

"“He has no fear,” Schlatman said of Millard.

He drove so recklessly Schlatman wouldn’t get into a car with him: “I did once and said I’d never do it again,” he said.

“Crazy, carefree,” Schlatman described Millard. “He could go off and do whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted.

And he could be controlling, the jury heard.

Schlatman said he learned not to question his boss because if he did Millard grew upset and angry"

 

[brightii]

Maybe I'm missing something in the Bobcat video or my concern has been addressed before, but if DM and MS both got out of their trucks at this site, wouldn't the interior lights of the cab come on automatically and stay on for a few seconds after the door was closed? My interior lights in my car go on as soon as the door is opened and go off some seconds after the door is shut. Wouldn't such light be seen in the video?

All MOO.

 

[Claroon]

But an iPad wouldn't have a SIM.

I think some do http://ipad.about.com/od/iPad-FAQ/f/Does-The-iPad-Have-A-Sim-Card.htm

 

[canadiangirl]

I think some do http://ipad.about.com/od/iPad-FAQ/f/Does-The-iPad-Have-A-Sim-Card.htm

Well you learn something everyday. I thought an iPad was a tablet. Can you tell I'm not an apple user? Lol

 

[deugirtni]

Maybe this answered the SIM card question yesterday.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...Trial-05-18-16-Day-51&p=12570353#post12570353

The person in the link above said not much would be obtained from a sim card anyway, but that the s/n would be there, so records could be obtained from the carrier. Wouldn't simply having the phone number also be able to get the records from the carrier? And if he was communicating so heavily with DM, (it was stated at one point that a large percentage, I forget the number, of DM's communications were with MS, from one or another of his numbers/emails), DM's phone would have contained the other half of most of MS's texts anyway.. so they had to have had his phone numbers? To me it is unfortunate that DM's team is seemingly more trying to make sure the other guy gets in just as much trouble as their guy, as opposed to being able to produce something of substance to say their guy isn't as bad as it all seems.

 

[torontoguy31]

Maybe I'm missing something in the Bobcat video or my concern has been addressed before, but if DM and MS both got out of their trucks at this site, wouldn't the interior lights of the cab come on automatically and stay on for a few seconds after the door was closed? My interior lights in my car go on as soon as the door is opened and go off some seconds after the door is shut. Wouldn't such light be seen in the video?

All MOO.

Video is too grainy, also could be that interior light no longer works, or the interior light control could be in the ơff position....just a few guesses

 

[deugirtni]

If he can't get on the stand ( obviously afraid of cross) then why should we believe his testimony via his lawyer?

Well that's the thing. Exactly. Why should we. But if we are going to believe one part about which way they travelled or which exit they took or which direction they drove, then why would we pick and choose which of those to believe? Either his 'testimony through the lips of his lawyer' seem believable, or .. not. My vote is: not. moo

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I still think the original intent was to get TB to the farm in one piece.
I noticed that after NS cross exam that the percentage of people speculating on MS as the shooter went up. (Maybe it changes a lot?). Does this mean that DMs defence team is effective?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306707-Who-do-you-think-shot-TB-Millard-or-Smich

I do t know if we have historic data though.

Ok, I must need glasses because that says 88.16% that DM shot TB and only 11.84% think that MS shot TB. No comments indicating alot of people changing their mind that MS pulled the trigger instead of DM.

I've actually seen more people say that MS may be innocent of Murder. There have been many more fence sitters (MS'S fence) since MS took the stand. So no, IMO, DM'S defense team has taken the opposite affect of non-effective.

MOO

 

[JuneBug67]

But an iPad wouldn't have a SIM.

Mine does! (Any cellular capable iPad can have a SIM)

When I first heard about MS's behaviour with his phones after DM's arrest my impression at the time was that he was hiding and was afraid he could be tracked via his phones. I always assumed that's why the SIMs went and his phones stayed.