Bosma Murder Trial 05.25.16 - Day 55

[leafs_fan93]

Lol, very rarely, does a defendant get on the stand and admit they committed a crime.

It's also equally rare for someone who is guilty to voluntarily take the stand

 

[ILoveDateline]

MS as a rat... would it generally be considered ratting on DM (if he says his story is true to his new buddies) or only isho/squishy? Not sure i can make my question make sense, but If he tells his new friends in prison that DM went lunatic and he had no clue, is it still ratting?

I believe ratting to be telling LE and/or the public/media not new or old friends in jail. It's a unspoken code that you zip it. I believe many involved in this case lived by this code. JMO.

Did I understand you correctly?

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[Typhoo1961]

From what I understand DM will have a better time of it because he did not rat on his co-accused like MS did. As terrible and unethical and difficult to understand that is for those of us who have no insight into that world.

If you can call getting beaten up 4 times so far a better time of it.

 

[Webulls]

...A lot of people had both the accused guilty before ever going to trial. (general public included). Very scary IMO.

That's because they're 100% guilty and the trial was a complete waste of time and only prolonged the victim's (family's) agony.

There are many trials where we should be careful about jumping to conclusions (Baltovich, Millgard, etc.).

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

 

[canadiangirl]

Fraser is doing a very very good job.

What you have quoted is all after the fact though. Fraser needs to prove MS had knowledge and planning of a murder regardless of how involved MS was ATF. Moo

 

[canadiangirl]

I am curious to know why some people believe that MS has to be "in the truck" in order to be found guilty of 1st degree murder?


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I didn't see anyone stating that? Maybe I missed some posts.

 

[Typhoo1961]

Is it possible that TB was shot before MS got into the Yukon?

Only if MS had just gotten out of the RAM because none of TB's blood or the gunshot residue was found in the Yukon.
Maybe DM did shoot TB when he and TB were still in the RAM in that field and MS had just gotten into the Yukon.

 

[don_quixote]

That's because they're 100% guilty and the trial was a complete waste of time and only prolonged the victim's (family's) agony.

There are many trials where we should be careful about jumping to conclusions (Baltovich, Millgard, etc.).

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

I wonder, do you see yourself making the decision when the due process is followed and the Charter rights apply? Or would you nominate somebody for that role?

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

From what I understand DM will have a better time of it because he did not rat on his co-accused like MS did. As terrible and unethical and difficult to understand that is for those of us who have no insight into that world.

They both tried to pin it on the other. Not sure trying to defend yourself against another rat really applies. If MS had talked to the cops or gave up others... Then sure...he gets labelled a rat.

 

[Oreck]

I might be wrong but I'm quite sure that they are in provincial custody before and during trial
and it they get more than a deuce less they go to a federal pen.

 

[MrsThreadgoode]

I didn't see anyone stating that? Maybe I missed some posts.

I have read a few posts stating this ... Perhaps not in those exact words, but, along the lines of ... "I have reasonable doubt about MS's guilt because it hasn't been proven that he was in the truck". Just paraphrasing, but I have read versions of this many times over the past months. I am trying to understand this reasoning, because it certainly isn't a legal requirement.


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[sleuther76]

Lol, very rarely, does a defendant get on the stand and admit they committed a crime.

Very rarely does a defendant get on the stand ... period ... just the fact that he got up there and put himself through 9 days of cross speaks volumes to me

 

[hellkat2]

I think he means they shot him in the truck in the field. Not that they made him get out and shot him. It's a different version then they pulled over by bobcat and his head was on the dash which was mr smichs version





Oops guess I was a little late

Turning into the field IMO would have triggered TB or anyone for that matter given the circumstances to the point where it would not be a stretch to think "fight or flight" would take over for TB. I doubt DM or MS would want to complicate things in that manner and would be trying not to avoid this at any cost. I think the element of surprise and deception is what DM and MS were all about in the rest of their missions. I think it may be very likely TB did not see it coming and it happened very quickly after the two of them picked him up and they drove to the Yukon and carried on from there.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

What you have quoted is all after the fact though. Fraser needs to prove MS had knowledge and planning of a murder regardless of how involved MS was ATF. Moo

The only evidence against MS being not being involved is his own. Everything else points to him planning and being a part of it.

 

[NoodlesMcgee]

Very rarely does a defendant get on the stand ... period ... just the fact that he got up there and put himself through 9 days of cross speaks volumes to me

Why? It was all self serving.

 

[hellkat2]

Could MS have quickly changed his clothes in the field before getting into the Yukon ?

Sure why not?

 

[sleuther76]

That's because they're 100% guilty and the trial was a complete waste of time and only prolonged the victim's (family's) agony.

There are many trials where we should be careful about jumping to conclusions (Baltovich, Millgard, etc.).

THIS IS NOT ONE OF THEM!

This is ridiculous. They have absolutely 0 DNA evidence on MS, only circumstantial evidence at best. I bet if you sent me your text messages I could concoct a rather gruesome story about you as well.

This trial is NOT a waste of time, it is a necessary process to uphold justice. I hope there is true justice for all in this situation.

 

[hellkat2]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 33s34 seconds ago
Jury seeing photo of where Millard parked his SUV across from the Bullman farm. Fraser wants him to point where exactly they parked. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 11s12 seconds ago
Smich asked to draw on photo spot where truck was parked. He indicates spot near where chain is.

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 7s8 seconds ago
Smich put a black square on an area of that photo, as a description of where the Yukon was parked. Close to the chain. #TimBosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 37s37 seconds ago
Smich marks the spot just behind where the chain is shown in photo. Says the truck pulled over just to the left of laneway, where he got out

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 16s16 seconds ago
Crown asking where #Bosma truck was parked. Smich has drawn that on photo as well.

Wish I could see an aerial photo of the Bosma house in relationship to where the yukon was parked. I don't think there is one.

 

[Errrr]

Very rarely does a defendant get on the stand ... period ... just the fact that he got up there and put himself through 9 days of cross speaks volumes to me

He was hoping you'll think that.

 

[Webulls]

I wonder, do you see yourself making the decision when the due process is followed and the Charter rights apply? Or would you nominate somebody for that role?

They were given due process. Nothing came out during trial that made me question the crown's case. The only question is why they pled not guilty in the first place. They should have confessed to the crime. Perhaps the public would have been more open to the possibility of parole after 25 years. Mea culpas have a way of bringing about sympathy. These punks still carry on like they did nothing wrong. For that, the public wants absolute punishment.